Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

[SuperDemocrat]

Does anyone know what obamas deportation plan is costing at the moment? Maybe we should compare numbers.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Does anyone know what obamas deportation plan is costing at the moment? Maybe we should compare numbers.

"The Immigration and Customs Enforcement office that handles apprehension and deportation has a budget of some $3 billion.

Each deportation costs about $23,000 to complete, including the apprehension, legal process, and eventual removal. Nearly 290,000 individuals were deported in fiscal year 2012 on government jets -- known as ICE Air -- and thousands more are moved on commercial planes.

Lara and thousands of other candidates for deportation are awaiting hearings that will decide their fate. The average wait in a detention center: about 27 days."
Deportation Its cost - and human toll - Sep. 8 2014

 

[paddymurphy]

Apparently, many people on this board have no clue as to what is going on regarding the deportation of illegals. Since i live within 30 miles of the border, I do know, and I have been to court and witnessed it. This is what I saw:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/us/split-second-justice-as-us-cracks-down-on-border-crossers.html

Stop with the facts!! Right wing brains cannot deal with facts.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump seems to think that all you have to do is to pick Juan up off the street and drive him to Nuevo Laredo. He seems to have forgotten details, like the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first (for which we would most likely have to pay Juan's attorney).

the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first

Where does it say we need to have a trial and conviction to deport an illegal?

How do you prove they are illegal?

Show us your papers. No papers, move to bus number 3.

 

[paddymurphy]

It is in the article posted. The $5 billion dollar budget managed to deport $330,000 in one year. Do the math.

Whatever.............I looked at those articles as well. They are counting the salaries and budgets of ICE PERIOD..................Operating Budget.............which fluctuates a little each year...........If none got deported next year they'd still have a similar budget...................which means that OH NO...........IT COSTS EVEN MORE.

Let's say we deport double the number...........for the same budget................Holy shit man it's half price deportation man................

Get a clue..................It's manipulation by the Gov't. What they have become good at.

As the article states, ICE has the capacity to deport 400,000 annually. it is presently deporting 330,000 annually. Beyond the 400,000 number, they would have to build all new facilities and transportation, as well as expand human resources, detention facilities, courts, judges, attornies, while paying for food, medicine, and even clothing. Only a fool thinks that limited resources are capable of handling almost unlimited aliens.

Never said we wouldn't have to build more facilities and hire more people. I just quoted how they figured the amount per deportation................and that the 200 Billion is BS................You could double the agents to 40,000 as it has 20,000 now and that would only cost about 2 Billion per their site..........The facilities would cost a bit more to build, but the operating budget now is 5.8 BILLION a year.

Finally, they wouldn't be deporting 11 million at one time anyway.............Now would they..............

The dollar amount is BS...............and since they use our Social Safety net services we would still be saving a ton of money.

Do it legal to come here or not at all............

Finally, even Trump has said that we have to secure the border first and then deal with the illegals here after..............as has most of the nominees.............But he has stated that he WOULD ENFORCE THE ICE LAWS.....................

Doesn't mean our country will go door to door kicking them in asking for papers now does it.

Right. You, who have no fucking clue how to run a governmental agency, are in a better position than the head of ICE to tell us what these operations will cost. Can you even balance your own checkbook? And, they do not use our social safety net since illegal immigrants are not eligible for those services.

I've bid multi million dollar contracts at work. How about you? Wish I got some of that money though.

I reported their method of calculating the cost which is utter BS...............They took the total cost of the agency and then used the manipulated numbers of deportations and divided..............Which is a BS accounting method.

Sure you have. You are not in the least bit competent to offer opinions on what it costs to deport someone.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

Not to mention the time it would take to adjudicate all 12 million cases - it could take decades.

Ten to twenty years, and that's with dedicated courts.

Baloney. Once you show you're serious, many will self-deport.

 

[paddymurphy]

So all we have to do is not give Mexico aid money for one year and it's paid for.

We give them 142 million in aid. Explore ForeignAssistance.gov In case math is not your strong suit, 137 billion is considerably more than a 142 million.

It's funny you think that's all they get from us.

It is funny that you have nothing to prove they get anything more.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump seems to think that all you have to do is to pick Juan up off the street and drive him to Nuevo Laredo. He seems to have forgotten details, like the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first (for which we would most likely have to pay Juan's attorney).

the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first

Where does it say we need to have a trial and conviction to deport an illegal?

You have to be joking, Todd. How the hell do you determine if someone is an illegal without a trial? Even your average tea party guy can understand that....

How the hell do you determine if someone is an illegal without a trial?

You need a trial to show a birth certificate or legalization documentation? LOL!

"Jose, where were you born" Here.
"Can you prove it" Si.
"Go ahead" Now? What about my trial?
"LOL! Hasta la vista"

 

[paddymurphy]

Trump's plan sounds like a bargain. ...

Because we spend more than that on illegal's medical, housing, food stamps, and incarceration, each year. .....

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers, and that substantially more would be generated if President Obama prevails in imposing a new executive order protecting many of those workers from deportation.

The 50-state analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released on Thursday found that roughly 8.1 million of 11.4 million undocumented immigrants who work paid more than $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012, even while they were living illegally in the country"

So, add the 11.8 billion in lost tax payments to the 137 billion to deport and the cost of doing this far outweighs any cost illegals impose on the country.

And that does not include counting their overall boost to the economy:

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated."

Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

Nearly every (if not every) job that would be vacated by deporting an illegal would be quickly filled by a U.S. citizen. This would boost tax revenue since all 11.4 million (from your post) would be paying taxes instead of 8.1 million.
This would hinge on a large reduction on the number of illegals along with severe penalties for employers that hire them. Otherwise, the vacated job would likely be filled by yet another illegal.
The "agriculture" argument is false, since there are virtually unlimited agricultural visas available for those who think that they need immigrant labor.
The only workforce-related number that would decrease is the unemployment rate.

And you base your silly opinion on what facts: what statistics, what studies by labor economists?

 

[Claudette]

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I highly doubt that Trump has an intention to proceed the deportation according to the rules. He is more likely to push them all into a wagon and make them cross the border. That`s his style. He is notorious for his manners. Or, one of the richest Americans don`t know how to count money.

You don't need manners to put illegals on busses and ship their asses back to Mexico.

Hope that happens. Ship them all out of America.

As for trial. Bullshit. These are not American citizens and are not covered by out Constitution. They broke the law to get into our country and don't deserve anything but a buss ride back across the border.

Have someone check for papers. No papers ship their asses out of the country.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump's plan sounds like a bargain. ...

Because we spend more than that on illegal's medical, housing, food stamps, and incarceration, each year. .....

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers, and that substantially more would be generated if President Obama prevails in imposing a new executive order protecting many of those workers from deportation.

The 50-state analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released on Thursday found that roughly 8.1 million of 11.4 million undocumented immigrants who work paid more than $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012, even while they were living illegally in the country"

So, add the 11.8 billion in lost tax payments to the 137 billion to deport and the cost of doing this far outweighs any cost illegals impose on the country.

And that does not include counting their overall boost to the economy:

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated."

Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers,

Here in Illinois, we spend $11,000 - $12,000 per year per student.
How much will an illegal working for cash contribute toward that tab?

 

[Jackson]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I forget, how much did we just give Iran?
What is the cost of welfare, special education (English as a second language), and locking up illegals annualy?

 

[Darkwind]

Interesting how spending money on those issues that ARE legitimate AND Constitutional is suddenly a problem with the radicalized left.....

We can recoup at least 10 billion of it in saved costs to illegals....and another 100 billion in cuts to the department of Immigration and Naturalization.....

The rest can come out of the democrats entitlement programs since 11 million people will be able to find jobs, they won't need government assistance.

 

[Jackson]

Expensive Aliens: How Much Do Illegal Immigrants Really Cost?



TheFederation for American Immigration Reform(FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year.

Illegal Immigrants Cost U.S. 100 Billion per Year Conservative Group Says About Illegal Immigration - ABC News

And that amount was in 2010!

 

[Claudette]

Send the lot of them back across the border and let Mexico take care of the instead of the taxpayers of America.

 

[Darkwind]

Expensive Aliens: How Much Do Illegal Immigrants Really Cost?



TheFederation for American Immigration Reform(FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year.

Illegal Immigrants Cost U.S. 100 Billion per Year Conservative Group Says About Illegal Immigration - ABC News

And that amount was in 2010!

It is also a yearly recurring cost....

A fence is a one time deal....

 

[Jackson]

Expensive Aliens: How Much Do Illegal Immigrants Really Cost?



TheFederation for American Immigration Reform(FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year.

Illegal Immigrants Cost U.S. 100 Billion per Year Conservative Group Says About Illegal Immigration - ABC News

And that amount was in 2010!

It is also a yearly recurring cost....

A fence is a one time deal....

Exactly.

 

[Jackson]

If Trump could actively pursue and deport just half the year he is elected, that would bring our deficit down dramatically. He's my choice until I receive valid information that he isn't a good candidate.

 

[paddymurphy]

Trump's plan sounds like a bargain. ...

Because we spend more than that on illegal's medical, housing, food stamps, and incarceration, each year. .....

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers, and that substantially more would be generated if President Obama prevails in imposing a new executive order protecting many of those workers from deportation.

The 50-state analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released on Thursday found that roughly 8.1 million of 11.4 million undocumented immigrants who work paid more than $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012, even while they were living illegally in the country"

So, add the 11.8 billion in lost tax payments to the 137 billion to deport and the cost of doing this far outweighs any cost illegals impose on the country.

And that does not include counting their overall boost to the economy:

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated."

Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers,

Here in Illinois, we spend $11,000 - $12,000 per year per student.
How much will an illegal working for cash contribute toward that tab?

You benefit from having a child receive an education.

 

[paddymurphy]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I forget, how much did we just give Iran?
What is the cost of welfare, special education (English as a second language), and locking up illegals annualy?

We gave Iran nothing.