Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

[bedowin62]

even freaking AL JAZEERA recognizes the Obama Administration distortions of deportation munbers!!!



How the deportation numbers mislead | Al Jazeera America
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Jan 24, 2014 - The Obama administration has removed a record number of immigrants over the past five ... What has changed is the way people are deported.

 

[Stephanie]

Isn't if funny how the left Picks and choose what they wail about things costing.

any other time like PUTTING OscamCare on our backs all we got a yawn.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Well, if you can't trust Aljzeera, who can you trust?

As for the other link, it leads nowhere.

 

[defcon4]

How about we address the root causes?

Exactly! Vote the fucking DC career politicians out of office!

 

[paddymurphy]

ICE Fiscal Year FY 2012 Enacted Budget ICE

Riddle me this.................They used the yearly budget of 5 Billion, which is actually 5.82 Billion a year. Divided by the number of deprotations....................and gave you the cost......................Does that equal the cost if more or less are deported........................

Show me how in detail the actual costs of deportation please.............We could pack and ship a lot cheaper than that.

It is in the article posted. The $5 billion dollar budget managed to deport $330,000 in one year. Do the math.

Whatever.............I looked at those articles as well. They are counting the salaries and budgets of ICE PERIOD..................Operating Budget.............which fluctuates a little each year...........If none got deported next year they'd still have a similar budget...................which means that OH NO...........IT COSTS EVEN MORE.

Let's say we deport double the number...........for the same budget................Holy shit man it's half price deportation man................

Get a clue..................It's manipulation by the Gov't. What they have become good at.

As the article states, ICE has the capacity to deport 400,000 annually. it is presently deporting 330,000 annually. Beyond the 400,000 number, they would have to build all new facilities and transportation, as well as expand human resources, detention facilities, courts, judges, attornies, while paying for food, medicine, and even clothing. Only a fool thinks that limited resources are capable of handling almost unlimited aliens.

Never said we wouldn't have to build more facilities and hire more people. I just quoted how they figured the amount per deportation................and that the 200 Billion is BS................You could double the agents to 40,000 as it has 20,000 now and that would only cost about 2 Billion per their site..........The facilities would cost a bit more to build, but the operating budget now is 5.8 BILLION a year.

Finally, they wouldn't be deporting 11 million at one time anyway.............Now would they..............

The dollar amount is BS...............and since they use our Social Safety net services we would still be saving a ton of money.

Do it legal to come here or not at all............

Finally, even Trump has said that we have to secure the border first and then deal with the illegals here after..............as has most of the nominees.............But he has stated that he WOULD ENFORCE THE ICE LAWS.....................

Doesn't mean our country will go door to door kicking them in asking for papers now does it.

Right. You, who have no fucking clue how to run a governmental agency, are in a better position than the head of ICE to tell us what these operations will cost. Can you even balance your own checkbook? And, they do not use our social safety net since illegal immigrants are not eligible for those services.

 

[Ernie S.]

It is up to the illegals to prove or disprove their right to be here. If not, they are gone. They have the right to be heard.............have the right to a lawyer BUT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT................and will see a judge to voice their case...............If they don't have the documentation............Then Adios Amigos.................

Totally unconstitutional, and against the law of the land.

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

Not to mention the time it would take to adjudicate all 12 million cases - it could take decades.

You just start it, publicize the hell out of it and drop them with just the basic needs and most of the rest will gather up their possessions and leave on their own.
We have to include thee parents of US born children as well. They would, of course have a big choice to make there.... Either find someone to raise their kids for them, or take them back to their home country.

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I think if it was so expensive then congress shouldn't have created the law in the first place. It's called...um...democracy. It's when the people elect representatives to enact laws on their behalf. It just seems undemocratic if the president can decide not to enforce those laws when he thinks it is wrong.

330,000 illegal immigrants are being deported every year under the Obama administration, which is more than any other president.

Yeah right! You have to know that those numbers include those turned away at the border and other creative accounting.

Besides, 330,000 is far less than the number coming in.

Link?

The ICE report noted that of those 368,644 removals, 235,093 (or nearly two-thirds) were carried out on individuals “apprehended while, or shortly after, attempting to illegally enter the United States.” This shows that while the Obama administration continues to deport illegal immigrants in large numbers, most of these removals do not constitute a “deportation” in the conventional sense.

Read more at: Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers National Review Online


The Department of Homeland Security estimated in December 2003 that 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens resided in the United States and 700,000 new illegals enter and stay each year. These stale, official estimates are indeed suspect and certainly represent significant undercounts, as they are produced by the very entity responsible for the tidal wave of illegal aliens entering our nation - the United States Government. As of 2014, those estimates have not changed for eleven years, even though the official annual increase alone would yield an corrected estimate of 15.7 million to 19.7 million illegal aliens today (not adjusting for Obama's unconstitutional 2014 executive amnesty).

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States A methodology using Border Patrol got away statistics CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform immigration reference news projects

 

[paddymurphy]

One you have to prove he is not an American Citizen and then you have a real problem. Foreign people are governed by the Constitution:

The reason for this is because of what the Framers of the Constitution believed. They did not believe that the "Constitution granted rights" but that those rights already existed as part of the natural order of who we are and that it merely "enshrined them" and prevented the government from encroaching on them. You have those rights regardless of what the US government says. The Constitution isn't about the citizens, it's about the government and framing the function of the government. Thus, as a human, you have those rights naturally by merely existing, the Constitution is there to prevent the government from stepping on those inalienable rights.

It is up to the illegals to prove or disprove their right to be here. If not, they are gone. They have the right to be heard.............have the right to a lawyer BUT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT................and will see a judge to voice their case...............If they don't have the documentation............Then Adios Amigos.................

Totally unconstitutional, and against the law of the land.

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

Not to mention the time it would take to adjudicate all 12 million cases - it could take decades.

You just start it, publicize the hell out of it and drop them with just the basic needs and most of the rest will gather up their possessions and leave on their own.
We have to include thee parents of US born children as well. They would, of course have a big choice to make there.... Either find someone to raise their kids for them, or take them back to their home country.

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I think if it was so expensive then congress shouldn't have created the law in the first place. It's called...um...democracy. It's when the people elect representatives to enact laws on their behalf. It just seems undemocratic if the president can decide not to enforce those laws when he thinks it is wrong.

330,000 illegal immigrants are being deported every year under the Obama administration, which is more than any other president.

Yeah right! You have to know that those numbers include those turned away at the border and other creative accounting.

Besides, 330,000 is far less than the number coming in.

Net immigration is zero. That means that there are equal numbers leaving as are coming in.

Until a few years ago, mass migration from Mexico to the U.S. was a truism. An enormous wave of Mexican migration to the U.S. started almost 45 years ago. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, the number of Mexican-born immigrants living in the U.S. soared from 760,000 in 1970 to a peak of 12.6 million in 2007. Spurred on by major changes in U.S. immigration law in 1965 and 1986 and the 1995 peso crisis, by the mid-1990's Mexican immigrants (both legal and illegal residents) were flowing into the U.S. at the rate of over half a million a year, peaking in 2000 at 770,000.

But in 2001, the number of new residents (based on U.S. Census Bureau data) started to drop. In 2005, it began to plunge, bottoming out at 140,000 in 2010 and has flat lined since then. Most analysts attribute the steep drop of the last decade to the collapse of the U.S. housing market in 2006 and the lingering recession following the financial crisis in 2008.

 

[blastoff]

Drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money U.S. income tax payers have and will continue to shell out in the form of various handouts to these lawbreakers for decades to come.

Low information idiots always have trouble with math.

 

[paddymurphy]

Drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money U.S. income tax payers have and will continue to shell out in the form of various handouts to these lawbreakers for decades to come.

Low information idiots always have trouble with math.

"Low information idiots always have trouble with math.": Pot, meet kettle. The net economic effect of illegal immigration is positive. The pay billions in taxes, are not eligible for most forms of public assistance and contribute to the economy in the states where they work.
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

 

[Vandalshandle]

Apparently, many people on this board have no clue as to what is going on regarding the deportation of illegals. Since i live within 30 miles of the border, I do know, and I have been to court and witnessed it. This is what I saw:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/us/split-second-justice-as-us-cracks-down-on-border-crossers.html

 

[1stRambo]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

Yo, would Trump have a "Pen and Phone" like the Dictator Obama? So, no cost, just don`t give jobs and education, welfare, etc.! They would leave on their own, period!!!

"GTP"

 

[eagle1462010]

ICE Fiscal Year FY 2012 Enacted Budget ICE

Riddle me this.................They used the yearly budget of 5 Billion, which is actually 5.82 Billion a year. Divided by the number of deprotations....................and gave you the cost......................Does that equal the cost if more or less are deported........................

Show me how in detail the actual costs of deportation please.............We could pack and ship a lot cheaper than that.

It is in the article posted. The $5 billion dollar budget managed to deport $330,000 in one year. Do the math.

Whatever.............I looked at those articles as well. They are counting the salaries and budgets of ICE PERIOD..................Operating Budget.............which fluctuates a little each year...........If none got deported next year they'd still have a similar budget...................which means that OH NO...........IT COSTS EVEN MORE.

Let's say we deport double the number...........for the same budget................Holy shit man it's half price deportation man................

Get a clue..................It's manipulation by the Gov't. What they have become good at.

As the article states, ICE has the capacity to deport 400,000 annually. it is presently deporting 330,000 annually. Beyond the 400,000 number, they would have to build all new facilities and transportation, as well as expand human resources, detention facilities, courts, judges, attornies, while paying for food, medicine, and even clothing. Only a fool thinks that limited resources are capable of handling almost unlimited aliens.

Never said we wouldn't have to build more facilities and hire more people. I just quoted how they figured the amount per deportation................and that the 200 Billion is BS................You could double the agents to 40,000 as it has 20,000 now and that would only cost about 2 Billion per their site..........The facilities would cost a bit more to build, but the operating budget now is 5.8 BILLION a year.

Finally, they wouldn't be deporting 11 million at one time anyway.............Now would they..............

The dollar amount is BS...............and since they use our Social Safety net services we would still be saving a ton of money.

Do it legal to come here or not at all............

Finally, even Trump has said that we have to secure the border first and then deal with the illegals here after..............as has most of the nominees.............But he has stated that he WOULD ENFORCE THE ICE LAWS.....................

Doesn't mean our country will go door to door kicking them in asking for papers now does it.

Right. You, who have no fucking clue how to run a governmental agency, are in a better position than the head of ICE to tell us what these operations will cost. Can you even balance your own checkbook? And, they do not use our social safety net since illegal immigrants are not eligible for those services.

I've bid multi million dollar contracts at work. How about you? Wish I got some of that money though.

I reported their method of calculating the cost which is utter BS...............They took the total cost of the agency and then used the manipulated numbers of deportations and divided..............Which is a BS accounting method.

 

[Vandalshandle]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

Yo, would Trump have a "Pen and Phone" like the Dictator Obama? So, no cost, just don`t give jobs and education, welfare, etc.! They would leave on their own, period!!!

"GTP"
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I am truly sorry that some illegal has taken your janitor job, Rambo.

 

[Dot Com]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

it would be offset by the number of newly employed LEGAL workers.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So all we have to do is not give Mexico aid money for one year and it's paid for.

We give them 142 million in aid. Explore ForeignAssistance.gov In case math is not your strong suit, 137 billion is considerably more than a 142 million.

It's funny you think that's all they get from us.

 

[1stRambo]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

Yo, would Trump have a "Pen and Phone" like the Dictator Obama? So, no cost, just don`t give jobs and education, welfare, etc.! They would leave on their own, period!!!

"GTP"
View attachment 47600

I am truly sorry that some illegal has taken your janitor job, Rambo.

Yo, yes, I`m picking cotton now, weeping!

"GTP"

 

[Ernie S.]

So no reply to my links Vandalshandle?

 

[Manonthestreet]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

And you believe that figure?

 

[Alystyr]

Trump's plan sounds like a bargain. ...

Because we spend more than that on illegal's medical, housing, food stamps, and incarceration, each year. .....

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers, and that substantially more would be generated if President Obama prevails in imposing a new executive order protecting many of those workers from deportation.

The 50-state analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released on Thursday found that roughly 8.1 million of 11.4 million undocumented immigrants who work paid more than $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012, even while they were living illegally in the country"

So, add the 11.8 billion in lost tax payments to the 137 billion to deport and the cost of doing this far outweighs any cost illegals impose on the country.

And that does not include counting their overall boost to the economy:

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated."

Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

Nearly every (if not every) job that would be vacated by deporting an illegal would be quickly filled by a U.S. citizen. This would boost tax revenue since all 11.4 million (from your post) would be paying taxes instead of 8.1 million.
This would hinge on a large reduction on the number of illegals along with severe penalties for employers that hire them. Otherwise, the vacated job would likely be filled by yet another illegal.
The "agriculture" argument is false, since there are virtually unlimited agricultural visas available for those who think that they need immigrant labor.
The only workforce-related number that would decrease is the unemployment rate.

 

[Vandalshandle]

So no reply to my links Vandalshandle?

Ernie, there is absolutely no point in arguing with someone who is convinced that government statistics have been faked by a corrupt administration through some vast democratic government conspiracy. You will have to play wack-a-mole with somebody else.