Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

[paddymurphy]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I forget, how much did we just give Iran?
What is the cost of welfare, special education (English as a second language), and locking up illegals annualy?

Illegals do not get welfare. Educating children benefits us all.

 

[Jackson]

Trump's plan sounds like a bargain. ...

Because we spend more than that on illegal's medical, housing, food stamps, and incarceration, each year. .....

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers, and that substantially more would be generated if President Obama prevails in imposing a new executive order protecting many of those workers from deportation.

The 50-state analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released on Thursday found that roughly 8.1 million of 11.4 million undocumented immigrants who work paid more than $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012, even while they were living illegally in the country"

So, add the 11.8 billion in lost tax payments to the 137 billion to deport and the cost of doing this far outweighs any cost illegals impose on the country.

And that does not include counting their overall boost to the economy:

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated."

Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers,

Here in Illinois, we spend $11,000 - $12,000 per year per student.
How much will an illegal working for cash contribute toward that tab?

You benefit from having a child receive an education.

I would benefit more if they went to their home country and came back legally.

 

[paddymurphy]

Trump's plan sounds like a bargain. ...

Because we spend more than that on illegal's medical, housing, food stamps, and incarceration, each year. .....

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers, and that substantially more would be generated if President Obama prevails in imposing a new executive order protecting many of those workers from deportation.

The 50-state analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released on Thursday found that roughly 8.1 million of 11.4 million undocumented immigrants who work paid more than $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012, even while they were living illegally in the country"

So, add the 11.8 billion in lost tax payments to the 137 billion to deport and the cost of doing this far outweighs any cost illegals impose on the country.

And that does not include counting their overall boost to the economy:

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated."

Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers,

Here in Illinois, we spend $11,000 - $12,000 per year per student.
How much will an illegal working for cash contribute toward that tab?

You benefit from having a child receive an education.

I would benefit more if they went to their home country and came back legally.

No, you would not. Nor are you harmed by them being here.

 

[Jackson]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I forget, how much did we just give Iran?
What is the cost of welfare, special education (English as a second language), and locking up illegals annualy?

We gave Iran nothing.

almost 12 billion dollars.. that could buy lots of uranium.

 

[paddymurphy]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I forget, how much did we just give Iran?
What is the cost of welfare, special education (English as a second language), and locking up illegals annualy?

We gave Iran nothing.

almost 12 billion dollars.. that could buy lots of uranium.

We gave Iran nothing. What are you smoking?

 

[Jackson]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I forget, how much did we just give Iran?
What is the cost of welfare, special education (English as a second language), and locking up illegals annualy?

Illegals do not get welfare. Educating children benefits us all.

Of course they do.
Just because illegal aliens are not legally entitled to these benefits does not mean they do not apply for them. Yes. It is true that illegal aliens have received grants,professionalaccreditations, loans, WIC, disability,public housing, college educations,food stamps, unemployment benefits, and tax credits from state and federal agencies.

Law Dictionary:Why is it that Illegal Aliens Get Free Food Stamps, Health Insurance and Pay No Taxes?

 

[bedowin62]

A TYPICAL left-winger will cite you a thousand distorted statistics to make a point advancing their agenda; but the Left suddenly loses its intellectual curiosity when inconveniant facts are involved, or something goes agaisnt what they are trying to convince people.

The Left is quick to say illegals pay payroll taxes that they "will never collect on". but of course that is more bullshit from the usual left-wingers. What the dont say is that they are only counting illegals using an ITIN, or tax ID number. if they arent using that they are working UNDER THE TABLE AND PAYING ZERO TAXES, or using STOLEN or FORGED ID. Stolen ID causes Americans billions per year and causes incredible hardship on theperson whose ID was stolen.
and EVEN OF the ones using a tax id, remember the Left says "immigrants" are taken advantage of and underpaid. So they arent going to get much taxes taken out of that paycheck, and WORSE YET illegals CAN AND DO GET TAX REFUNDS. They cant get the EIC but they can get a regular refund.


now lets add in the cost of housing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of illegals in our prisons, and the cost to society and the victims they preyed upon; the ones driving with no insurance, the drug-dealers...etc

and the ones straining the WELFARE SYSTEM, yes the welfare system, AND THE NON-PROFITS, which illegals know how to play like a fiddle

illegals are a net loss to our society

 

[paddymurphy]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I forget, how much did we just give Iran?
What is the cost of welfare, special education (English as a second language), and locking up illegals annualy?

Illegals do not get welfare. Educating children benefits us all.

Of course they do.

Illegal aliens are not eligible for any public assistance. You can claim to the contrary all you want, but you are still wrong.

 

[Alystyr]

Trump's plan sounds like a bargain. ...

Because we spend more than that on illegal's medical, housing, food stamps, and incarceration, each year. .....

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers, and that substantially more would be generated if President Obama prevails in imposing a new executive order protecting many of those workers from deportation.

The 50-state analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released on Thursday found that roughly 8.1 million of 11.4 million undocumented immigrants who work paid more than $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012, even while they were living illegally in the country"

So, add the 11.8 billion in lost tax payments to the 137 billion to deport and the cost of doing this far outweighs any cost illegals impose on the country.

And that does not include counting their overall boost to the economy:

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated."

Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

Nearly every (if not every) job that would be vacated by deporting an illegal would be quickly filled by a U.S. citizen. This would boost tax revenue since all 11.4 million (from your post) would be paying taxes instead of 8.1 million.
This would hinge on a large reduction on the number of illegals along with severe penalties for employers that hire them. Otherwise, the vacated job would likely be filled by yet another illegal.
The "agriculture" argument is false, since there are virtually unlimited agricultural visas available for those who think that they need immigrant labor.
The only workforce-related number that would decrease is the unemployment rate.

And you base your silly opinion on what facts: what statistics, what studies by labor economists?

Well, let's see...
If a job is vacated by an illegal and there isn't another illegal to fill it, then an employer will have to hire a U.S. citizen if they want that position filled.
No need for statistics or studies - just common sense.
Oh - I was wrong about what I wrote about agricultural visas. I said "virtually unlimited", and have since discovered that there is NO annual cap on H-2A visas - meaning they are unlimited.

 

[bedowin62]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I forget, how much did we just give Iran?
What is the cost of welfare, special education (English as a second language), and locking up illegals annualy?

Illegals do not get welfare. Educating children benefits us all.

Of course they do.

Illegal aliens are not eligible for any public assistance. You can claim to the contrary all you want, but you are still wrong.

you're full of shit

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

There are no viable solutions when you don't look for one. At least Trump is looking

 

[Darkwind]

If Trump could actively pursue and deport just half the year he is elected, that would bring our deficit down dramatically. He's my choice until I receive valid information that he isn't a good candidate.

Thats easy enough...

If you put a list of all the things that Clinton supports and advocates for.....and then the same list Trump does....You will find that they do not differ to any significant degree....

Trump is right on a few issues.........This year.....next year....it will change....depending on his personal whim.......It is who he is.

 

[paddymurphy]

Trump's plan sounds like a bargain. ...

Because we spend more than that on illegal's medical, housing, food stamps, and incarceration, each year. .....

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers, and that substantially more would be generated if President Obama prevails in imposing a new executive order protecting many of those workers from deportation.

The 50-state analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released on Thursday found that roughly 8.1 million of 11.4 million undocumented immigrants who work paid more than $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012, even while they were living illegally in the country"

So, add the 11.8 billion in lost tax payments to the 137 billion to deport and the cost of doing this far outweighs any cost illegals impose on the country.

And that does not include counting their overall boost to the economy:

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated."

Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

Nearly every (if not every) job that would be vacated by deporting an illegal would be quickly filled by a U.S. citizen. This would boost tax revenue since all 11.4 million (from your post) would be paying taxes instead of 8.1 million.
This would hinge on a large reduction on the number of illegals along with severe penalties for employers that hire them. Otherwise, the vacated job would likely be filled by yet another illegal.
The "agriculture" argument is false, since there are virtually unlimited agricultural visas available for those who think that they need immigrant labor.
The only workforce-related number that would decrease is the unemployment rate.

And you base your silly opinion on what facts: what statistics, what studies by labor economists?

Well, let's see...
If a job is vacated by an illegal and there isn't another illegal to fill it, then an employer will have to hire a U.S. citizen if they want that position filled.
No need for statistics or studies - just common sense.
Oh - I was wrong about what I wrote about agricultural visas. I said "virtually unlimited", and have since discovered that there is NO annual cap on H-2A visas - meaning they are unlimited.

Must be nice to be as simple minded as you. Everything has a nice, simple answer in your fantasy world. If an illegal vacates a job in Texas, how is that going to get the unemployed person in Pittsburgh hired?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money U.S. income tax payers have and will continue to shell out in the form of various handouts to these lawbreakers for decades to come.

Low information idiots always have trouble with math.

"Low information idiots always have trouble with math.": Pot, meet kettle. The net economic effect of illegal immigration is positive. The pay billions in taxes, are not eligible for most forms of public assistance and contribute to the economy in the states where they work.
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

There it is folks, another lib justifying illegals sneaking into your country.

 

[paddymurphy]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

There are no viable solutions when you don't look for one. At least Trump is looking

There are viable solutions. The plan that both parties agreed to before the black guy got elected was one. You idiots do not want a viable solution; you want to deport everyone. That is not viable; it is not necessarily and will never happen. The viable solution is to let the millions of illegals who have been here for years to come out of the shadows and become lawful residents and, eventually, citizens.

 

[paddymurphy]

Drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money U.S. income tax payers have and will continue to shell out in the form of various handouts to these lawbreakers for decades to come.

Low information idiots always have trouble with math.

"Low information idiots always have trouble with math.": Pot, meet kettle. The net economic effect of illegal immigration is positive. The pay billions in taxes, are not eligible for most forms of public assistance and contribute to the economy in the states where they work.
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

There it is folks, another lib justifying illegals sneaking into your country.

No, trying to educate morons like you with the facts.

 

[bedowin62]

In 2010, the typical illegal immigrant household received $24,721 in government benefits but paid just over $10,000 in taxes — an annual benefit of more than $14,000 per household. Illegal immigrants not only receive the benefits of government services (like fire and police protection), but their children receive public education. Additionally, children of illegal immigrants that are born in the United States are eligible for the full spread of government welfare benefits, including Social Security and Medicare.

 

[bedowin62]

another left-wing loser that types fast and says nothing^^

 

[Alystyr]

Trump's plan sounds like a bargain. ...

Because we spend more than that on illegal's medical, housing, food stamps, and incarceration, each year. .....

A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers, and that substantially more would be generated if President Obama prevails in imposing a new executive order protecting many of those workers from deportation.

The 50-state analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released on Thursday found that roughly 8.1 million of 11.4 million undocumented immigrants who work paid more than $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012, even while they were living illegally in the country"

So, add the 11.8 billion in lost tax payments to the 137 billion to deport and the cost of doing this far outweighs any cost illegals impose on the country.

And that does not include counting their overall boost to the economy:

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated."

Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy TheHill

Nearly every (if not every) job that would be vacated by deporting an illegal would be quickly filled by a U.S. citizen. This would boost tax revenue since all 11.4 million (from your post) would be paying taxes instead of 8.1 million.
This would hinge on a large reduction on the number of illegals along with severe penalties for employers that hire them. Otherwise, the vacated job would likely be filled by yet another illegal.
The "agriculture" argument is false, since there are virtually unlimited agricultural visas available for those who think that they need immigrant labor.
The only workforce-related number that would decrease is the unemployment rate.

And you base your silly opinion on what facts: what statistics, what studies by labor economists?

Well, let's see...
If a job is vacated by an illegal and there isn't another illegal to fill it, then an employer will have to hire a U.S. citizen if they want that position filled.
No need for statistics or studies - just common sense.
Oh - I was wrong about what I wrote about agricultural visas. I said "virtually unlimited", and have since discovered that there is NO annual cap on H-2A visas - meaning they are unlimited.

Must be nice to be as simple minded as you. Everything has a nice, simple answer in your fantasy world. If an illegal vacates a job in Texas, how is that going to get the unemployed person in Pittsburgh hired?

How would ANY job vacancy in Texas going to get that person in Pittsburgh hired?
It would if that person was willing to relocate to take the job, but it's more likely that an unemployed person in Texas would get it first.

 

[Jackson]

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

I forget, how much did we just give Iran?
What is the cost of welfare, special education (English as a second language), and locking up illegals annualy?

We gave Iran nothing.

almost 12 billion dollars.. that could buy lots of uranium.

We gave Iran nothing. What are you smoking?

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