Trump's Moment of Truth....how do his supporters handle it?

If his supporters thought that Trump stood with them on every issue, they had a surprise coming when Trump was reminded of his previous stance during the latest GOP debate. He reiterated what the left has been saying and the right-wing has been denying for years. Bush lied....and there were no WMDs.

How do Trump staunch supporters respond to this? Do they agree with Trump or do they dismiss it since he caters to most of their other hate-filled beliefs and ideas?

Who will they defend now? G W Bush or Trump?:popcorn:



Moderator John Dickerson asked Trump point blank if he stood by his 2008 comments that Bush deserved to be impeached for allegedly misleading the public about the reasons for going into Iraq, a reminder that Trump has spent much of his life as a left-leaning critic of the GOP.

Trump didn’t restate his call for impeachment. But he didn’t disavow it, either. “You do whatever you want,” he said, seeming to provide Dickerson with the option of impeaching Bush himself. “You call it whatever you want."

Then Trump went on to say something even more unusual in a Republican primary. He suggested that the former GOP president, George W. Bush, directly lied to the American public in order to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

“I will tell you. They lied. And they said there were weapons of mass destruction and there were none. And they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction,” Trump said.



Donald Trump: Bush Lied, People Died
so curious, why do you support Hillary who got four Americans killed in Benghazi and illegally used a personal server for email? Why?


Hillary is only the "MOST" qualified candidate to be President. And, Hillary didn't get anyone killed....that's just a Republican/conservative meme they tried to push and failed.....like at least 6 times. Collin Powell and Condoleeza Rice also used private servers and you hypocrites didn't mind at all or had them investigated.

Colin Powell Defends Clinton, Rips GOP On Race Issues


The question to you is "Why do you support Trump?"
thanks for proving my point, you don't care her crimes. CRIMES. you'd vote a traitor into office. Email scandal and all.
Of course they would. See Obama.
 
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Would that any of the Republican candidates were 1/100th as smart as Bernie.

Sanders is a loon, plain and simple. The man is the most extreme candidate running in this race and the fact that half your party is lining up behind him says all we to know about today's Democrats. You guys have taken nuttery to a whole new level.


He only seems extreme to those who side with the rigid, anal-retentive regressive right. And, the same can be said about the wrong-wing.......the majority support the looniest of them all, who promises everything and his supporters believe that he is going to pay for everything.:badgrin:
and you believe Hillary. Just makes you a hypocrite.

If Bernie gets the nomination I will vote for him. Mickey Mouse would be a better president than any of the Republican candidates on the clown bus.
Please do. Your vote will be as meaningful as everything else you've done in your loser life so far.
I bet you regret the money you spent buying that Trayvon Martin hoodie with his picture printed on it from when he was ten. Or how about that 'HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT' hoodie?
Sort of a waste considering even you aren't stupid enough to ever wear either of them in public.
 
If his supporters thought that Trump stood with them on every issue, they had a surprise coming when Trump was reminded of his previous stance during the latest GOP debate. He reiterated what the left has been saying and the right-wing has been denying for years. Bush lied....and there were no WMDs.

How do Trump staunch supporters respond to this? Do they agree with Trump or do they dismiss it since he caters to most of their other hate-filled beliefs and ideas?

Who will they defend now? G W Bush or Trump?:popcorn:



Moderator John Dickerson asked Trump point blank if he stood by his 2008 comments that Bush deserved to be impeached for allegedly misleading the public about the reasons for going into Iraq, a reminder that Trump has spent much of his life as a left-leaning critic of the GOP.

Trump didn’t restate his call for impeachment. But he didn’t disavow it, either. “You do whatever you want,” he said, seeming to provide Dickerson with the option of impeaching Bush himself. “You call it whatever you want."

Then Trump went on to say something even more unusual in a Republican primary. He suggested that the former GOP president, George W. Bush, directly lied to the American public in order to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

“I will tell you. They lied. And they said there were weapons of mass destruction and there were none. And they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction,” Trump said.



Donald Trump: Bush Lied, People Died
so curious, why do you support Hillary who got four Americans killed in Benghazi and illegally used a personal server for email? Why?


Hillary is only the "MOST" qualified candidate to be President. And, Hillary didn't get anyone killed....that's just a Republican/conservative meme they tried to push and failed.....like at least 6 times. Collin Powell and Condoleeza Rice also used private servers and you hypocrites didn't mind at all or had them investigated.

Colin Powell Defends Clinton, Rips GOP On Race Issues


The question to you is "Why do you support Trump?"
thanks for proving my point, you don't care her crimes. CRIMES. you'd vote a traitor into office. Email scandal and all.
Of course they would. See Obama.


Says the idiot who most likely voted for Bush/Cheney twice (only the biggest criminals in history) and will vote for one of the clowns parading around pretending to be Presidential.
 
Would that any of the Republican candidates were 1/100th as smart as Bernie.

Sanders is a loon, plain and simple. The man is the most extreme candidate running in this race and the fact that half your party is lining up behind him says all we to know about today's Democrats. You guys have taken nuttery to a whole new level.


He only seems extreme to those who side with the rigid, anal-retentive regressive right. And, the same can be said about the wrong-wing.......the majority support the looniest of them all, who promises everything and his supporters believe that he is going to pay for everything.:badgrin:
and you believe Hillary. Just makes you a hypocrite.

If Bernie gets the nomination I will vote for him. Mickey Mouse would be a better president than any of the Republican candidates on the clown bus.
Please do. Your vote will be as meaningful as everything else you've done in your loser life so far.
I bet you regret the money you spent buying that Trayvon Martin hoodie with his picture printed on it from when he was ten. Or how about that 'HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT' hoodie?
Sort of a waste considering even you aren't stupid enough to ever wear either of them in public.


Bwahahaha....says the moron who has Romney's picture hanging in his living room and his faded and worn "McCain/Palin" poster planted in his front yard next to Trump's....bwahaha...you make my day.
 
He has proposed to raise taxes.....that plus reducing the military will generate enough money to pay for the things he suggests. I'm not a Sanders supporter, but will vote for him over any of the Republican clowns with no experience and regressive ideologies.


The tax increases he has proposed won't even come close to paying for what he suggests, but what they will do is plunge our economy into a depression. If you think the middle class is shrinking now there won't be one left in this country if that asshat gets his way.

It really amazes me how people can fall for this shit.

That the money doesn't add up is what Hillary has said, and why I support her. She is the most qualified of the whole lot....any of the conservative clowns will spend all our tax money trying to repeal Obamacare and continue investigating Benghazi......now that is "real looney" - at least Sanders will be trying to do something for the middle-class, not just for his party.

And yes, it is amazing how many people fall for Trump's pie-in-the-sky shit......he seems to be the likely Republican candidate!
"Pie in the sky?"
You mean like how Sanders is going to give everyone free college and university? Guess he'd had to do the same with every trade school. Every institution that charged tuition.
Excuse me but will this 'free tuition only apply to people actually academically qualified to get into this institutions?
What about the millions of people who under normal sane requirements would never be remotely considered?
Surely in a Socialist Utopia these 'dumber' people ought to get some free shit too right?
Would Bernie tell them: "Look you're too fucking dumb to get a higher education. I'm giving your smart sister 80K to get a undergraduate degree in Medieval studies. Here's a cheque for 80K just because 'everyone in my Socialist Utopia' deserves a trophy (cheque).
Sander's wet dream is a 'pie in the sky' joke!
 
Sanders is a loon, plain and simple. The man is the most extreme candidate running in this race and the fact that half your party is lining up behind him says all we to know about today's Democrats. You guys have taken nuttery to a whole new level.


He only seems extreme to those who side with the rigid, anal-retentive regressive right. And, the same can be said about the wrong-wing.......the majority support the looniest of them all, who promises everything and his supporters believe that he is going to pay for everything.:badgrin:
and you believe Hillary. Just makes you a hypocrite.

If Bernie gets the nomination I will vote for him. Mickey Mouse would be a better president than any of the Republican candidates on the clown bus.
Please do. Your vote will be as meaningful as everything else you've done in your loser life so far.
I bet you regret the money you spent buying that Trayvon Martin hoodie with his picture printed on it from when he was ten. Or how about that 'HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT' hoodie?
Sort of a waste considering even you aren't stupid enough to ever wear either of them in public.


Bwahahaha....says the moron who has Romney's picture hanging in his living room and his faded and worn "McCain/Palin" poster planted in his front yard next to Trump's....bwahaha...you make my day.
Did you keep your 'Hillary For President' from the last time she lost to a fucking negro 'Community Organized' with fuck all experience. Don't you remember? Hillary's husband was 'The First Black President' right?
Now the old bitch can't even pull away from a fucking 200 year old Socialist/Marxist IN NEVADA!!!!!!!!!! who is promising what BONOBO promised: "Free shit" to 18 year olds who have never learned how to tie a fucking shoelace.
Ya that Hillary. 'The First Barking Mad President with a vagina". HAAA HAAA !
 
That the money doesn't add up is what Hillary has said, and why I support her. She is the most qualified of the whole lot....any of the conservative clowns will spend all our tax money trying to repeal Obamacare and continue investigating Benghazi......now that is "real looney" - at least Sanders will be trying to do something for the middle-class, not just for his party.

If by doing something for the middle class you mean completely obliterate us out of existence, then yes, Sanders is trying to do something for the middle class.

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And yes, it is amazing how many people fall for Trump's pie-in-the-sky shit......he seems to be the likely Republican candidate!

Yes, we've reached a crisis in America when an asshat like Trump is considered presidential material, but let's also take a look at what your party is offering America. You've got a bat shit crazy Socialist like Sanders and a corrupt bought-and-paid-for by Wall Street (which you all accuse the GOP of) liar named Hillary Clinton. You seriously believe you have the high ground here? :spinner:
 
so pres.clinton and all those others in the world were lying too right?....

They weren't the ones continuing to claim that Saddam still had WMDs.....only Bush and Cheney.
they were no longer in office were they?.....regardless they were saying the same shit were they not?....

Not at the time that Bush was wanting to invade Iraq. Clinton said it back in 1998, before Operation Desert Fox.......so, no, he wasn't the one that was saying it in 2002 when Bush/Cheney were using it as an excuse to invade Iraq.

He also said it on Larry King in 2003

Bill Clinton In 2003: ‘We’re Pretty Sure’ Saddam Has WMDs

Clinton wasn't president at that time.....and everyone, including Congress and yourself was going by the information being provided by the WH (Bush/Cheney)....so to try and blame someone else is what Republican/conservatives do best, because they can't admit that Bush/Cheney were major fuck ups. But, they are quick to blame Hillary for Benghazi...and wail and lament over 4 being killed while glossing over the thousands that are dead due to Bush/Cheney.

He wasn't president at the time he left office?
Did you even look at the link?

Your deflection, as usual, is hillaryous
 
He has proposed to raise taxes.....that plus reducing the military will generate enough money to pay for the things he suggests. I'm not a Sanders supporter, but will vote for him over any of the Republican clowns with no experience and regressive ideologies.


The tax increases he has proposed won't even come close to paying for what he suggests, but what they will do is plunge our economy into a depression. If you think the middle class is shrinking now there won't be one left in this country if that asshat gets his way.

It really amazes me how people can fall for this shit.

That the money doesn't add up is what Hillary has said, and why I support her. She is the most qualified of the whole lot....any of the conservative clowns will spend all our tax money trying to repeal Obamacare and continue investigating Benghazi......now that is "real looney" - at least Sanders will be trying to do something for the middle-class, not just for his party.

And yes, it is amazing how many people fall for Trump's pie-in-the-sky shit......he seems to be the likely Republican candidate!
"Pie in the sky?"
You mean like how Sanders is going to give everyone free college and university? Guess he'd had to do the same with every trade school. Every institution that charged tuition.
Excuse me but will this 'free tuition only apply to people actually academically qualified to get into this institutions?
What about the millions of people who under normal sane requirements would never be remotely considered?
Surely in a Socialist Utopia these 'dumber' people ought to get some free shit too right?
Would Bernie tell them: "Look you're too fucking dumb to get a higher education. I'm giving your smart sister 80K to get a undergraduate degree in Medieval studies. Here's a cheque for 80K just because 'everyone in my Socialist Utopia' deserves a trophy (cheque).
Sander's wet dream is a 'pie in the sky' joke!


I'm a Hillary supporter, dumbass.....but Sanders at least explains how he is going to do it.....he's going to raise taxes...something that scares you conservatives the most.....and he is going to reduce the military....but your "Pie in the sky" hero, who is now falling behind the other moron, Cruz, says he is going to lower taxes and still do all the things he promises....only those things don't help the middle class much.

And, you like free stuff, don't you? I see you haven't contributed to this forum yet you park your ass here every day delivering your drivel for free. Bwahahaha!

And you have the audacity to call yourself "gold member" - what a dumbass.
 
He only seems extreme to those who side with the rigid, anal-retentive regressive right. And, the same can be said about the wrong-wing.......the majority support the looniest of them all, who promises everything and his supporters believe that he is going to pay for everything.:badgrin:
and you believe Hillary. Just makes you a hypocrite.

If Bernie gets the nomination I will vote for him. Mickey Mouse would be a better president than any of the Republican candidates on the clown bus.
Please do. Your vote will be as meaningful as everything else you've done in your loser life so far.
I bet you regret the money you spent buying that Trayvon Martin hoodie with his picture printed on it from when he was ten. Or how about that 'HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT' hoodie?
Sort of a waste considering even you aren't stupid enough to ever wear either of them in public.


Bwahahaha....says the moron who has Romney's picture hanging in his living room and his faded and worn "McCain/Palin" poster planted in his front yard next to Trump's....bwahaha...you make my day.
Did you keep your 'Hillary For President' from the last time she lost to a fucking negro 'Community Organized' with fuck all experience. Don't you remember? Hillary's husband was 'The First Black President' right?
Now the old bitch can't even pull away from a fucking 200 year old Socialist/Marxist IN NEVADA!!!!!!!!!! who is promising what BONOBO promised: "Free shit" to 18 year olds who have never learned how to tie a fucking shoelace.
Ya that Hillary. 'The First Barking Mad President with a vagina". HAAA HAAA !


Bwahahaha, the idiot who is criticizing "free stuff" hasn't contributed to this Forum........he likes free stuff......what an idiot. You can't make this shit up!
 
That the money doesn't add up is what Hillary has said, and why I support her. She is the most qualified of the whole lot....any of the conservative clowns will spend all our tax money trying to repeal Obamacare and continue investigating Benghazi......now that is "real looney" - at least Sanders will be trying to do something for the middle-class, not just for his party.

If by doing something for the middle class you mean completely obliterate us out of existence, then yes, Sanders is trying to do something for the middle class.


And yes, it is amazing how many people fall for Trump's pie-in-the-sky shit......he seems to be the likely Republican candidate!

Yes, we've reached a crisis in America when an asshat like Trump is considered presidential material, but let's also take a look at what your party is offering America. You've got a bat shit crazy Socialist like Sanders and a corrupt bought-and-paid-for by Wall Street (which you all accuse the GOP of) liar named Hillary Clinton. You seriously believe you have the high ground here? :spinner:


I get it that you don't like Sanders, but he is by far more sane than any of the clowns in the Republican clown car.......at least he gives explanations of how he is going to pay for things.......Trump just promises whatever he wants because he knows the dumbass conservatives don't have enough sense to figure out he can't possible pay for all that crap.

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Cruz is being dragged to court to prove he is uneligible and the rest can barely muster any support, so you'll most likely be stuck with the blowhard that even the few intelligent Republicans disdain. Good luck with that.........:itsok:
 
is there any candidate that stands with their supporters on every issue?.....

is there any candidate that stands with their supporters on every issue?.....

Only if the supporters are Kool-Aid drinkers.

Red OR blue

Er, we don't have any wacka-doodles running on the "blue" side........:cool:
The [D]s have their geriatric, senile, and brain damaged kunts. :thup:
 
They weren't the ones continuing to claim that Saddam still had WMDs.....only Bush and Cheney.
they were no longer in office were they?.....regardless they were saying the same shit were they not?....

Not at the time that Bush was wanting to invade Iraq. Clinton said it back in 1998, before Operation Desert Fox.......so, no, he wasn't the one that was saying it in 2002 when Bush/Cheney were using it as an excuse to invade Iraq.

He also said it on Larry King in 2003

Bill Clinton In 2003: ‘We’re Pretty Sure’ Saddam Has WMDs

Clinton wasn't president at that time.....and everyone, including Congress and yourself was going by the information being provided by the WH (Bush/Cheney)....so to try and blame someone else is what Republican/conservatives do best, because they can't admit that Bush/Cheney were major fuck ups. But, they are quick to blame Hillary for Benghazi...and wail and lament over 4 being killed while glossing over the thousands that are dead due to Bush/Cheney.

He wasn't president at the time he left office?
Did you even look at the link?

Your deflection, as usual, is hillaryous

No idiot, he wasn't President when Bush was making the claim that Iraq had WMDs......in 2003, like everyone else, Clinton (like the rest of the country) was banking that Bush and Cheney were telling the truth, but they weren't. Just like Trump has declared, they lied.

Thank you though, for showing that there are still many dumbass Republicans that still support Doofus on his biggest fuck-up.
 
is there any candidate that stands with their supporters on every issue?.....

is there any candidate that stands with their supporters on every issue?.....

Only if the supporters are Kool-Aid drinkers.

Red OR blue

Er, we don't have any wacka-doodles running on the "blue" side........:cool:
The [D]s have their geriatric, senile, and brain damaged kunts. :thup:

The [R]s have their robotic " "Stepford - do whatever the man wants *****" and their "erection disfunctional" old white men........:eek:
 
they were no longer in office were they?.....regardless they were saying the same shit were they not?....

Not at the time that Bush was wanting to invade Iraq. Clinton said it back in 1998, before Operation Desert Fox.......so, no, he wasn't the one that was saying it in 2002 when Bush/Cheney were using it as an excuse to invade Iraq.

He also said it on Larry King in 2003

Bill Clinton In 2003: ‘We’re Pretty Sure’ Saddam Has WMDs

Clinton wasn't president at that time.....and everyone, including Congress and yourself was going by the information being provided by the WH (Bush/Cheney)....so to try and blame someone else is what Republican/conservatives do best, because they can't admit that Bush/Cheney were major fuck ups. But, they are quick to blame Hillary for Benghazi...and wail and lament over 4 being killed while glossing over the thousands that are dead due to Bush/Cheney.

He wasn't president at the time he left office?
Did you even look at the link?

Your deflection, as usual, is hillaryous

No idiot, he wasn't President when Bush was making the claim that Iraq had WMDs......in 2003, like everyone else, Clinton (like the rest of the country) was banking that Bush and Cheney were telling the truth, but they weren't. Just like Trump has declared, they lied.

Thank you though, for showing that there are still many dumbass Republicans that still support Doofus on his biggest fuck-up.
well you should really learn the facts. And it wasn't any info from Bush.

here an excerpt from a piece written about her vote.

"But she decided to support going to war anyway. She even rejected the advice of fellow Democratic senator Bob Graham that she read the full National Intelligence Estimate, which would have further challenged some of the Bush administration’s claims justifying the war."

link
The 5 Worst Excuses for Hillary Clinton’s Vote To Invade Iraq
 
is there any candidate that stands with their supporters on every issue?.....

is there any candidate that stands with their supporters on every issue?.....

Only if the supporters are Kool-Aid drinkers.

Red OR blue

Er, we don't have any wacka-doodles running on the "blue" side........:cool:
The [D]s have their geriatric, senile, and brain damaged kunts. :thup:

The [R]s have their robotic " "Stepford - do whatever the man wants *****" and their "erection disfunctional" old white men........:eek:
i love watching posts from people desperate to try and rationalize other peoples intentions. Like you have mind reading powers or the Jedi Force to make someone think like you. Funny shit this form of stupid. And yet, your post is like a signature of libturd's frustration that you can't control people.
 
Not at the time that Bush was wanting to invade Iraq. Clinton said it back in 1998, before Operation Desert Fox.......so, no, he wasn't the one that was saying it in 2002 when Bush/Cheney were using it as an excuse to invade Iraq.

He also said it on Larry King in 2003

Bill Clinton In 2003: ‘We’re Pretty Sure’ Saddam Has WMDs

Clinton wasn't president at that time.....and everyone, including Congress and yourself was going by the information being provided by the WH (Bush/Cheney)....so to try and blame someone else is what Republican/conservatives do best, because they can't admit that Bush/Cheney were major fuck ups. But, they are quick to blame Hillary for Benghazi...and wail and lament over 4 being killed while glossing over the thousands that are dead due to Bush/Cheney.

He wasn't president at the time he left office?
Did you even look at the link?

Your deflection, as usual, is hillaryous

No idiot, he wasn't President when Bush was making the claim that Iraq had WMDs......in 2003, like everyone else, Clinton (like the rest of the country) was banking that Bush and Cheney were telling the truth, but they weren't. Just like Trump has declared, they lied.

Thank you though, for showing that there are still many dumbass Republicans that still support Doofus on his biggest fuck-up.
well you should really learn the facts. And it wasn't any info from Bush.

here an excerpt from a piece written about her vote.

"But she decided to support going to war anyway. She even rejected the advice of fellow Democratic senator Bob Graham that she read the full National Intelligence Estimate, which would have further challenged some of the Bush administration’s claims justifying the war."

link
The 5 Worst Excuses for Hillary Clinton’s Vote To Invade Iraq


Your support for Doofus is well noted......but, Hillary made the same mistake the rest of us made who believed Bush/Cheney....and that doesn't excuse them from the fact that "THEY LIED".

Trump.....the leader of the Republican candidates says so, one thing he has said that is absolutely true.
 
is there any candidate that stands with their supporters on every issue?.....

is there any candidate that stands with their supporters on every issue?.....

Only if the supporters are Kool-Aid drinkers.

Red OR blue
Kool-aid drinkers?

Look at your kool-Aid:

and yet you're going to vote for a lady who believes in womanizing, was responsible for four american deaths, and illegally used a personal email server for confidential security emails. hahahahahahahaha, you're such a hypocrite like all other libturds.
How are those indictments coming along?
 
is there any candidate that stands with their supporters on every issue?.....

is there any candidate that stands with their supporters on every issue?.....

Only if the supporters are Kool-Aid drinkers.

Red OR blue

Er, we don't have any wacka-doodles running on the "blue" side........:cool:
The [D]s have their geriatric, senile, and brain damaged kunts. :thup:

The [R]s have their robotic " "Stepford - do whatever the man wants *****" and their "erection disfunctional" old white men........:eek:
i love watching posts from people desperate to try and rationalize other peoples intentions. Like you have mind reading powers or the Jedi Force to make someone think like you. Funny shit this form of stupid. And yet, your post is like a signature of libturd's frustration that you can't control people.

The Republican/conservative intentions are quite clear to everyone except to the dense morons that support them.....to take the country back........ward! Sorry that you're so ignorant that you need pictures to explain posts to you........:badgrin:
 

Clinton wasn't president at that time.....and everyone, including Congress and yourself was going by the information being provided by the WH (Bush/Cheney)....so to try and blame someone else is what Republican/conservatives do best, because they can't admit that Bush/Cheney were major fuck ups. But, they are quick to blame Hillary for Benghazi...and wail and lament over 4 being killed while glossing over the thousands that are dead due to Bush/Cheney.

He wasn't president at the time he left office?
Did you even look at the link?

Your deflection, as usual, is hillaryous

No idiot, he wasn't President when Bush was making the claim that Iraq had WMDs......in 2003, like everyone else, Clinton (like the rest of the country) was banking that Bush and Cheney were telling the truth, but they weren't. Just like Trump has declared, they lied.

Thank you though, for showing that there are still many dumbass Republicans that still support Doofus on his biggest fuck-up.
well you should really learn the facts. And it wasn't any info from Bush.

here an excerpt from a piece written about her vote.

"But she decided to support going to war anyway. She even rejected the advice of fellow Democratic senator Bob Graham that she read the full National Intelligence Estimate, which would have further challenged some of the Bush administration’s claims justifying the war."

link
The 5 Worst Excuses for Hillary Clinton’s Vote To Invade Iraq


Your support for Doofus is well noted......but, Hillary made the same mistake the rest of us made who believed Bush/Cheney....and that doesn't excuse them from the fact that "THEY LIED".

Trump.....the leader of the Republican candidates says so, one thing he has said that is absolutely true.
no she didn't, and you posting that statement over and over doesn't make it so. So, she had every opportunity to hit nay. She didn't. That isn't a mistake. Just isn't. I wish you libturds would read and learn about the facts of a subject before you vomit lies all over a message board, you confuse your own side. My side knows better.
 

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