2aguy
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- Jul 19, 2014
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Show me a link that guns turned in don’t match a murder. No fucking way. If that was true every murderer would turn in their guns. I’m calling you a liar.Omg. I’m talking about implementing policies that will stop gangs from getting guns. You’re not willing because gangs aren’t going to participate in buybacks.You can pass all the draconian gun laws you can think of and you still will see no major drop in gun violence.The point is we have a crazy out of control gun culture where even the criminals have no problem getting their hands on guns. In Australia and Canada and England far less people are victims of gun violence as they are here in America.How many times a year in America are guns used to prevent a crime?How many times a year in America are guns used to commit crimes?In Britain and the rest of Europe, their citizens have no Right to protect themselves from violent attack...and the best tool for self defense, guns....has been taken away from most of them, in particular the low income groups.
In the U.S. in most places Americans can opt to use guns for at a minimum home defense, and in a vast majority of the country over 19.4 million Americans can legally carry guns for self defense.
In Britain, in particular.....rapes, brutal beatings, brutal knifings (that result in death or life changing injuries), robberies and murder, essentially have to be endured......and almost any attempt at self defense can land the actual victim in jail and prison.
In the U.S.......Americans can use their legal guns...which they do 1.1 million times a year, to stop rapes, brutal beatings, knifings, robberies and murder.
In our country we had 10,235 gun murders.....of those murders over 70-80% of the victims were criminals murdered by other criminals...they were not normal citizens. Of the rest of the victims, the vast majority are the friends, family and associates of the criminals hit by mistake as the actual criminal was the target.
Guns, again, are used in the U.S. 1.1 million times a year to save lives...from rape, robbery, beatings, knifings and murder.........over 170,000 lives saved by some research..........not to include the crimes stopped that also saved lives....
In the U.K.......victims of crime are majority innocent people......who are preyed upon by the British criminals...
Which model do you prefer?
Face it. If we had tougher gun laws we'd have less dead people in America every year. You could still have hunting guns and guns to protect your home but not every tom dick and harry can get an assault rifle.
I would feel safer in another country despite the fact that so many John Wayne's are running around packin. They don't make me feel safe but all the American rampage shooters do make me feel unsafe.
Do you really think the drug gangs and criminals are going to participate in a gun buy back program or turn their firearms in? Do you really think citizens are going to turn their firearms in knowing the criminals will keep theirs?
Of course you will say you will just send the cops out to confiscate firearms from honest people who have committed no crime. Good luck with that as many counties and states in our nation are gun sanctuaries. I live in a county in Florida that is a gun sanctuary. In such counties the locals will not cooperate with the Feds to confiscate firearms from honest people. They will tell you that goes against the Constitution which they have pledged an oath to defend.
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Sorry I don’t have a policy idea that will get all gang members to turn in all their illegal guns. Do you? And so what? So does that mean we shouldn’t pass any common sense gun legislation?
Should we repeal all the common sense gun legislation we have on the books now? Why not? They don’t get gang members to participate in buybacks so why are we bothering?
If we did it your way no gang member would have an illegal gun. There would be no such thing. And every gang kill would be justified under stand your ground laws.
You are wrong.....gangs do participate in gun buybacks...after they use a gun to kill another gang member, they turn the gun in, without any questions...and get gift cards......
What we need to do is keep violent gun offenders, in particular, gang members who use illegal guns, in prison.....
The democrat party keeps giving them bail, no-cash bail, home monitoring....before they go to prison........no matter how many times they are arrested for carrying and even using illegal guns.....
Then, the democrat party plea bargains down the gun charge, making a violent gun crime into a mere drug selling charge, giving them a reduced sentence....and they are out in under 3 years to use illegal guns for crime and murder again.....
Japan locks people up for 15 years...in a Japanese prison vs the comfy American prisons.........and for life if they discharge the weapon.....
They don't get bail, they don't get no cash bail, they don't get home monitoring...and they are not released over and over again despite repeated gun crimes....
You don't understand.....gun buy backs are no questions asked.....they can turn in dirty guns, and get rid of them....
They don't turn in more because they are using them to shoot other gang members........
and when they steal crap guns from homes...they turn them in for cash and gift cards...