Two schools of thought on Trump

[Boss]

Okay, let us set aside those who are firmly in the camp of support for Donald Trump... we know he's your guy and we've all heard your reasons for supporting him. Let's also set aside those who are firmly opposed to Trump. We've all heard your arguments as well. Let us focus on the remaining voters who are either on the fence, undecided or reluctantly plan to hold their nose and vote for Trump. These mostly seem to be Conservatives and they face one of the most difficult decisions of their lives. Whether or not they should vote for Donald Trump.

There are two schools of thought. On one hand, if Conservatives hold their nose and vote for Trump, even though they don't support him on several key positions or because of his personality, what happens if he wins? Will his obnoxious support base give credit where credit is due? Will they have any newfound respect for Cruz Conservatives who "did the right thing" and voted for Trump in the end? I doubt it. If anything, a Trump victory will embolden them even more. They will march on in lockstep with their Alt-Right Nationalist message and continue to smear and denigrate the "Cruz-bots" even more. Constitutional Conservatives will simply be marginalized and any hopes of a comeback in 2020 will be futile.

On the other hand, we are faced with the prospect of 4 more years of Obama's left wing radical agenda on steroids. With a corrupt and crooked Chicago politician ramming through more of the same Marxist-Socialist agenda, packing the courts with even more whack-a-doodle liberals, further shredding the constitution and usurping more government control over our lives. IF we make it through that, perhaps Constitutional Conservatives have a chance in 2020.

So on one scenario, Constitutional Conservatism has a chance to come back in 2020 and in the other, it has no chance at all. The problem is, it may not have a chance either way. It's certainly a dilemma that has me on the fence at this late hour. I never thought I would be a late-term undecided voter... but here I am.

Removing personalities and rhetoric out of the way and focusing purely on the issues, I find myself agreeing with more of Trump's agenda than Hillary's for sure. I like his plans to return education to the states. I like his plans for securing the borders and dealing with the illegal immigration problem. I like his proposal to lower corporate tax rates. I like his plans to open up domestic energy. I like that he is pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment. I like that he has said he plans to nominate Conservative justices to SCOTUS.

There are things about Trump's agenda I don't like but I can clearly say that I despise every aspect of Hillary's agenda. There is not one single thing I agree with her on. So I guess you can say, personality and rhetoric aside, I am leaning toward voting for Trump. Still, it concerns me about the future of the Conservative movement.

 

[xyz]

On the other hand, we are faced with the prospect of 4 more years of Obama's left wing radical agenda on steroids. With a corrupt and crooked Chicago politician ramming through more of the same Marxist-Socialist agenda, packing the courts with even more whack-a-doodle liberals, further shredding the constitution and usurping more government control over our lives.

I understand the other things you wrote in your post, but this is just wacko and off the scale. I'm almost thinking you're living in Venezuela or Cuba and in denial of it.

 

[Boss]

I understand the other things you wrote in your post, but this is just wacko and off the scale. I'm almost thinking you're living in Venezuela or Cuba and in denial of it.

Are you a Hillary supporter? If so, shut the fuck up and move along. This thread topic is none of your concern. You're wacko and off the scale! You support the most crooked and corrupt politician who has ever been nominated by a major party for president.

 

[xband]

The current libtard mind set is Trump is a sociopath bordering on psychopath.

 

[owebo]

Except Cruz is a GOPer.....so....

That fucks up that line of worthless sheeple thinking now, doesn't it....

 

[PurpleOwl]

Okay, let us set aside those who are firmly in the camp of support for Donald Trump... we know he's your guy and we've all heard your reasons for supporting him. Let's also set aside those who are firmly opposed to Trump. We've all heard your arguments as well. Let us focus on the remaining voters who are either on the fence, undecided or reluctantly plan to hold their nose and vote for Trump. These mostly seem to be Conservatives and they face one of the most difficult decisions of their lives. Whether or not they should vote for Donald Trump.

There are two schools of thought. On one hand, if Conservatives hold their nose and vote for Trump, even though they don't support him on several key positions or because of his personality, what happens if he wins? Will his obnoxious support base give credit where credit is due? Will they have any newfound respect for Cruz Conservatives who "did the right thing" and voted for Trump in the end? I doubt it. If anything, a Trump victory will embolden them even more. They will march on in lockstep with their Alt-Right Nationalist message and continue to smear and denigrate the "Cruz-bots" even more. Constitutional Conservatives will simply be marginalized and any hopes of a comeback in 2020 will be futile.

On the other hand, we are faced with the prospect of 4 more years of Obama's left wing radical agenda on steroids. With a corrupt and crooked Chicago politician ramming through more of the same Marxist-Socialist agenda, packing the courts with even more whack-a-doodle liberals, further shredding the constitution and usurping more government control over our lives. IF we make it through that, perhaps Constitutional Conservatives have a chance in 2020.

So on one scenario, Constitutional Conservatism has a chance to come back in 2020 and in the other, it has no chance at all. The problem is, it may not have a chance either way. It's certainly a dilemma that has me on the fence at this late hour. I never thought I would be a late-term undecided voter... but here I am.

Removing personalities and rhetoric out of the way and focusing purely on the issues, I find myself agreeing with more of Trump's agenda than Hillary's for sure. I like his plans to return education to the states. I like his plans for securing the borders and dealing with the illegal immigration problem. I like his proposal to lower corporate tax rates. I like his plans to open up domestic energy. I like that he is pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment. I like that he has said he plans to nominate Conservative justices to SCOTUS.

There are things about Trump's agenda I don't like but I can clearly say that I despise every aspect of Hillary's agenda. There is not one single thing I agree with her on. So I guess you can say, personality and rhetoric aside, I am leaning toward voting for Trump. Still, it concerns me about the future of the Conservative movement.

I have never heard the term "cruz bots" before?..... It doesn't make any sense either....since cruz was completely unheard of before the election, and has completely disappeared since. He had very little following, much less a cult like admiration like ron paul had, or even trump. He was a token hispanic candidate like Rubio, he only existed so the GOP could pretend it wasn't racist. He wasn't even born in America. The idea that the same people who were ranting about obama's birth certificate for the past 8 YEARS and are now running a candidate who's only real policy that he's running on seems to be building a border wall and deporting hispanics, would also elect a hispanic president, much less the first hispanic president, but also one who wasn't even born in the USA is ridiculous.

 

[xyz]

I understand the other things you wrote in your post, but this is just wacko and off the scale. I'm almost thinking you're living in Venezuela or Cuba and in denial of it.

Are you a Hillary supporter? If so, shut the fuck up and move along. This thread topic is none of your concern. You're wacko and off the scale! You support the most crooked and corrupt politician who has ever been nominated by a major party for president.

I figured you didn't ask for opinion and were just writing a propaganda piece for your dear beloved leader.

Trying to pretend to be conservative guy not sure he is for Trump or not. Lol.

 

[xband]

Okay, let us set aside those who are firmly in the camp of support for Donald Trump... we know he's your guy and we've all heard your reasons for supporting him. Let's also set aside those who are firmly opposed to Trump. We've all heard your arguments as well. Let us focus on the remaining voters who are either on the fence, undecided or reluctantly plan to hold their nose and vote for Trump. These mostly seem to be Conservatives and they face one of the most difficult decisions of their lives. Whether or not they should vote for Donald Trump.

There are two schools of thought. On one hand, if Conservatives hold their nose and vote for Trump, even though they don't support him on several key positions or because of his personality, what happens if he wins? Will his obnoxious support base give credit where credit is due? Will they have any newfound respect for Cruz Conservatives who "did the right thing" and voted for Trump in the end? I doubt it. If anything, a Trump victory will embolden them even more. They will march on in lockstep with their Alt-Right Nationalist message and continue to smear and denigrate the "Cruz-bots" even more. Constitutional Conservatives will simply be marginalized and any hopes of a comeback in 2020 will be futile.

On the other hand, we are faced with the prospect of 4 more years of Obama's left wing radical agenda on steroids. With a corrupt and crooked Chicago politician ramming through more of the same Marxist-Socialist agenda, packing the courts with even more whack-a-doodle liberals, further shredding the constitution and usurping more government control over our lives. IF we make it through that, perhaps Constitutional Conservatives have a chance in 2020.

So on one scenario, Constitutional Conservatism has a chance to come back in 2020 and in the other, it has no chance at all. The problem is, it may not have a chance either way. It's certainly a dilemma that has me on the fence at this late hour. I never thought I would be a late-term undecided voter... but here I am.

Cuz means cousin in ghetto speak.
Removing personalities and rhetoric out of the way and focusing purely on the issues, I find myself agreeing with more of Trump's agenda than Hillary's for sure. I like his plans to return education to the states. I like his plans for securing the borders and dealing with the illegal immigration problem. I like his proposal to lower corporate tax rates. I like his plans to open up domestic energy. I like that he is pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment. I like that he has said he plans to nominate Conservative justices to SCOTUS.

There are things about Trump's agenda I don't like but I can clearly say that I despise every aspect of Hillary's agenda. There is not one single thing I agree with her on. So I guess you can say, personality and rhetoric aside, I am leaning toward voting for Trump. Still, it concerns me about the future of the Conservative movement.

I have never heard the term "cruz bots" before?..... It doesn't make any sense either....since cruz was completely unheard of before the election, and has completely disappeared since. He had very little following, much less a cult like admiration like ron paul had, or even trump. He was a token hispanic candidate like Rubio, he only existed so the GOP could pretend it wasn't racist. He wasn't even born in America. The idea that the same people who were ranting about obama's birth certificate for the past 8 YEARS and are now running a candidate who's only real policy that he's running on seems to be building a border wall and deporting hispanics, would also elect a hispanic president, much less the first hispanic president, but also one who wasn't even born in the USA is ridiculous.

 

[xband]

Cuz means cousin in ghetto speak.

 

[The Great Goose]

Boss you were once human!

 

[Boss]

I understand the other things you wrote in your post, but this is just wacko and off the scale. I'm almost thinking you're living in Venezuela or Cuba and in denial of it.

Are you a Hillary supporter? If so, shut the fuck up and move along. This thread topic is none of your concern. You're wacko and off the scale! You support the most crooked and corrupt politician who has ever been nominated by a major party for president.

I figured you didn't ask for opinion and were just writing a propaganda piece for your dear beloved leader.

Trying to pretend to be conservative guy not sure he is for Trump or not. Lol.

I don't have any "dear beloved leader", circlejerk. I'm on the fence about whether I will vote for Trump or not and I really don't give a good fuck whether you believe me or not. I don't "pretend" to be a Conservative... that's what I am and what I've been since I was about 15 years old. You're right, I didn't ask for your opinion... I don't care about your opinions.

 

[xyz]

I understand the other things you wrote in your post, but this is just wacko and off the scale. I'm almost thinking you're living in Venezuela or Cuba and in denial of it.

Are you a Hillary supporter? If so, shut the fuck up and move along. This thread topic is none of your concern. You're wacko and off the scale! You support the most crooked and corrupt politician who has ever been nominated by a major party for president.

I figured you didn't ask for opinion and were just writing a propaganda piece for your dear beloved leader.

Trying to pretend to be conservative guy not sure he is for Trump or not. Lol.

I don't have any "dear beloved leader", circlejerk. I'm on the fence about whether I will vote for Trump or not and I really don't give a good fuck whether you believe me or not. I don't "pretend" to be a Conservative... that's what I am and what I've been since I was about 15 years old. You're right, I didn't ask for your opinion... I don't care about your opinions.

Then why bother to post?

 

[Boss]

I have never heard the term "cruz bots" before?..... It doesn't make any sense either....since cruz was completely unheard of before the election, and has completely disappeared since. He had very little following, much less a cult like admiration like ron paul had, or even trump. He was a token hispanic candidate like Rubio, he only existed so the GOP could pretend it wasn't racist. He wasn't even born in America. The idea that the same people who were ranting about obama's birth certificate for the past 8 YEARS and are now running a candidate who's only real policy that he's running on seems to be building a border wall and deporting hispanics, would also elect a hispanic president, much less the first hispanic president, but also one who wasn't even born in the USA is ridiculous.

If you haven't heard "Cruz-bots" you should listen to the Alt-Righters more. Cruz was NOT completely unheard of before the election.... you've just apparently been living under a rock or something. He was sent to Washington in 2012 as part of the Tea Party revolution and was one of only a few Conservatives who had the balls to stand up to the tyranny of the elite establishment on Constitutional Conservative principles.

You further miss my point by somehow thinking that I am making some sort of plea for us to nominate Ted Cruz... as if we've gone back in a time machine to last year and we're starting the primaries all over again! The primary is fucking OVER! Ted Cruz didn't win! It doesn't matter where he was born or whether he was qualified. He isn't suddenly going to announce some third party run! So why the hell are you even bringing any of this up? It has nothing to do with the thread.

I am trying to discuss the issue of whether or not to vote for Trump if you are a principled Conservative who has doubts. The option of nominating someone other than Trump doesn't exist anymore. That time has come and gone and we're faced with a general election in 11 days. Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be elected as our next president... not Ted Cruz.

The issue is the future of Constitutional Conservatism. Are we better off with Trump losing to Hillary or throwing our support to Trump? And I believe an argument can be made for both sides. I think this is a compelling issue and I don't appreciate you trying to turn the thread into a Trump flamefest.

 

[Boss]

Then why bother to post?

Because there are other people here besides you, idiot.

 

[owebo]

I understand the other things you wrote in your post, but this is just wacko and off the scale. I'm almost thinking you're living in Venezuela or Cuba and in denial of it.

Are you a Hillary supporter? If so, shut the fuck up and move along. This thread topic is none of your concern. You're wacko and off the scale! You support the most crooked and corrupt politician who has ever been nominated by a major party for president.

I figured you didn't ask for opinion and were just writing a propaganda piece for your dear beloved leader.

Trying to pretend to be conservative guy not sure he is for Trump or not. Lol.

I don't have any "dear beloved leader", circlejerk. I'm on the fence about whether I will vote for Trump or not and I really don't give a good fuck whether you believe me or not. I don't "pretend" to be a Conservative... that's what I am and what I've been since I was about 15 years old. You're right, I didn't ask for your opinion... I don't care about your opinions.

As a staunch conservative myself, I could never imagine supporting hitlery and the GOP'ers the way you do....

I've been waiting since 1976 to have the opportunity to tell the GOP'ers and democrats to fuck off...

 

[xyz]

Then why bother to post?

Because there are other people here besides you, idiot.

Yeah, but if someone's going to say they're a conservative and not to vote for Trump, you're still going to tell them to fuck off.

 

[Boss]

Yeah, but if someone's going to say they're a conservative and not to vote for Trump, you're still going to tell them to fuck off.

Well no... read the first paragraph of the OP. I understand the arguments from Trump supporters AND the Never Trumpers. I also understand the liberal pukes who loathe and despise Trump because he has an R beside his name and is running against their Queen Bitch. This thread is not for them! It is specifically for those of us who are reluctantly contemplating whether or not to vote for Trump.

That's NOT you! So leave!

 

[xyz]

Yeah, but if someone's going to say they're a conservative and not to vote for Trump, you're still going to tell them to fuck off.

Well no... read the first paragraph of the OP. I understand the arguments from Trump supporters AND the Never Trumpers. I also understand the liberal pukes who loathe and despise Trump because he has an R beside his name and is running against their Queen Bitch. This thread is not for them! It is specifically for those of us who are reluctantly contemplating whether or not to vote for Trump.

That's NOT you! So leave!

I did read the o.p., I just thought your view of Obama and the United States was out of place, and I think not all Republicans are not such radical wackos completely cut off from reality.

In fact Obama respects George W. Bush, too much in my opinion, has nothing to do if all Republicans do, but Obama is far from a radical Marxist-Lenininst ready to overthrow the evil capitalist regime with a violent revolution and ready to join up with North Korea and have parades with lots of red flags.

And I didn't even mention Hillary.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yeah, but if someone's going to say they're a conservative and not to vote for Trump, you're still going to tell them to fuck off.

Well no... read the first paragraph of the OP. I understand the arguments from Trump supporters AND the Never Trumpers. I also understand the liberal pukes who loathe and despise Trump because he has an R beside his name and is running against their Queen Bitch. This thread is not for them! It is specifically for those of us who are reluctantly contemplating whether or not to vote for Trump.

That's NOT you! So leave!

I voted for Hillary. Why do you feel the need to lie about her character and her record in order to try to rationalize the fact that you are going to vote for Trump?

You've been posting for months about how you want Trump supporters to kiss your ass and convince you to vote for the guy. You've been so sad that they have not done so. As if they give a fuck.

And.....you are not the person who gets to decide who posts in threads that you start, loser boy. Your primary issue....apart from the fact that you lack Intellignce....is that you think you have clout her. You don't.

 

[edthecynic]

Are you a Hillary supporter? If so, shut the fuck up and move along. This thread topic is none of your concern. You're wacko and off the scale! You support the most crooked and corrupt politician who has ever been nominated by a major party for president.

Ahhhh, the politeness of the Right in full display.
Thank you.