Uh oh, a student and hero from Parkland shooting, NOT blaming NRA.

[westwall]

Florida school shooting hero blames sheriff, superintendent - news - att.net

PLANTATION, Fla. (AP) — A student gravely wounded while saving his classmates' lives by blocking a door during the Florida school massacre said Friday that the county sheriff and school superintendent failed the victims by not arresting the shooter before the attack and by allowing him to attend the school.

An attorney for 15-year-old Anthony Borges read a statement from him during a news conference criticizing Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel and Superintendent Robert Runcie for the Feb. 14 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland that killed 14 students and three staff members.

Borges was shot five times, suffering wounds to the lungs, abdomen and legs. He was released from a Fort Lauderdale hospital Wednesday morning, the last of the 17 wounded to go home.

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Oh man, someone needs to get this kid the commie script to perpetuate the commie agenda.

Then again, they will deal with him simply by ignoring him.

Pathetic left wing losers.

You Lie! He did not say the NRA or Guns were not to blame. The NRA refused to disarm crazies!

No, it is you who are lying. And poorly at that.

Sheriff slams NRA's Dana Loesch, calls for ban on automatic rifles after Florida school shooting
Sheriff slams NRA rep, calls for ban on assault rifles

More proof you are detached from reality! 15-year-old shooting victim Anthony Borges blames sheriff, but he did not say he does not also blame the NRA for pushing for crazies to have guns!

It's funny how you Trumptards glorify the illegals family getting free education & healthcare! Why are they not already deported???

That's because the NRA doesn't. You lie with that statement. What the NRA demands is that everyone be guaranteed the proper legal process. You don't. You want everyone to lose their guns and then have to prove that they are OK to have them which is a complete reversal of how this country's laws work. It's called DUE PROCESS. Sane people demand that laws be followed. Insane people, like you, don't.

 

[westwall]

[ ...So, you want to make it impossible for non criminals (other than the wealthy elite of course, who can afford to jump through all of those hoops) to own guns. Why do you like criminals so much?

Incorrect.

We (The People) require you to be licensed and registered and trained and insured and to undertake periodic renewals in order to operate a vehicle.

Imposing similar responsibilities upon the operators of lethal firearms still makes universal and reasonable provision for every citizen to own firearms.

Yes, and you can raise to cost to such a high level that no legitimate person can afford to own them. Take a look at CA. Who has concealed weapons permits in that State? The wealthy elite, that's who. No one else can even get the forms to fill out to obtain that permit. You are hoist on your own petard.

Odd, I know people in CA who are not the wealthy elite who have CC permits in CA and renew them with limited hoops to jump thru. One friend, retired school lunch supervisor, just got hers renewed....not exactly the wealthy elite.

No, you don't. You are a serial liar, and we all know this. This is the reality of a normal person trying to get a CCW in CA. If you live in a rural county your chances are much better, but if you live on the coast you can forget it.



Those of us who live in California are all too familiar with the challenges that come with buying, owning, and carrying firearms. When we make the trip to the local gun store our selection is limited to pistols which are on the roster and pre-approved by the California DOJ. The limited number of guns that pass our 10 round magazine, magazine safety, and microstamping requirements leaves us with a selection which is a fraction of what most states have.

When it comes to obtaining a concealed carry permit your chances of being approved highly depends on the county in which you reside. Some counties are “shall issue” while others require “good cause”. Living in Sacramento County, the good cause requirement made it pretty tough to get a carry permit. Sacramento tends to only issue CCW’s if you were in an occupation that put your safety at much higher risk than that of the average citizen. A few years ago, that all changed. The new sheriff in town decided that a citizen wanting to protect themselves, in a life or death situation, was a good enough cause to issue a CCW. After never applying, because I had never seen any hope of being approved, I made the decision to give it a shot.

Step #1 – Schedule an interview
The first step was to make an appointment on the Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department website. As it turned out, I wasn’t the only person who had heard about the issuance of carry permits; all appointments slots were already booked for the next year. After about six months, the appointment system was updated and it allowed me to put myself on the waiting list. Fourteen months later, my name was at the top and I was finally able to schedule an appointment.

In preparation for the initial interview I needed to complete the CCW application form, write a letter of statement, two forms of address verification (i.e., utility bills), and get a cashier’s check or money order for $20. The application form required basic information, disclosure of any criminal convictions, and even any traffic violations within the last five years. Oh boy, I had three speeding tickets!


Concealed Carry In California; A Look At The Process Of Obtaining A Permit

 

[DigitalDrifter]

The vast majority of Americans who are interested in more stringent gun controls are not 'commies'...

Nor is that vast majority looking to 'grab guns'...

Rather, they seek to require the same measure of accountability of gun owners as is required of the operators of automobiles...

You know... vetting... licensing... registration... mandatory training... transaction approvals... tracking... periodic renewals, etc.

And... given that we've reached a Tipping Point in what the American People at large are willing to tolerate with regard to the status quo...

It's a good bet that Gun Control folks are gonna change things, the next time the Oval Office and the House and the Senate flip...

Which... given the way the Trump Administration is deteriorating... may be sooner rather than later... but inevitable, in any event...

Gun Rights advaocates really need to begin assessing future prospects and seeking a Middle Ground while they still have options and time.

Tick... tick... tick...

"Nor is that vast majority looking to 'grab guns'..."

Uh huh, sure.

 

[LuckyDuck]

The vast majority of Americans who are interested in more stringent gun controls are not 'commies'...

Nor is that vast majority looking to 'grab guns'...

Rather, they seek to require the same measure of accountability of gun owners as is required of the operators of automobiles...

You know... vetting... licensing... registration... mandatory training... transaction approvals... tracking... periodic renewals, etc.

And... given that we've reached a Tipping Point in what the American People at large are willing to tolerate with regard to the status quo...

It's a good bet that Gun Control folks are gonna change things, the next time the Oval Office and the House and the Senate flip...

Which... given the way the Trump Administration is deteriorating... may be sooner rather than later... but inevitable, in any event...

Gun Rights advaocates really need to begin assessing future prospects and seeking a Middle Ground while they still have options and time.

Tick... tick... tick...

Yeah.....you are a bunch of commies.
This is a sample of what we hear from the left protesters in the streets:
1. No free speech....end hate speech (specified by the protesters as anything they don't want to hear).
2. End the Second Amendment (end gun ownership).
3. Republicans are Nazis and Fascists (interesting as Republicans believe in small government and individual achievement, whereas, the socialist left advocates for large government control of the people.......which is what the Nazis, Fascists, Communists and Socialists believe).
4. End private land ownership.
5. No borders, no border patrol, the free flow of peoples (hence the end to sovereign governments and the free flow of terrorists, murderers, drug cartel members, rapists,and thieves).
6. The free entry of Islamists into the continent in large numbers, just as Europe is doing, even though Islamic nations have never allowed freedoms to their peoples, especially women and gays/lesbians.
7. A socialist nation....even though there has never been a successful socialist nation before (before you brag on Norway or Sweden, they are Capitalist nations with social programs and even they are beginning to financially collapse due to the demands of services for the huge influx of people from Africa, the Middle East and South Asia).
The lot of you have drifted so far to the left that it's neo-Marxist in nature.

 

[Darkwind]

The vast majority of Americans who are interested in more stringent gun controls are not 'commies'...

Nor is that vast majority looking to 'grab guns'...

Rather, they seek to require the same measure of accountability of gun owners as is required of the operators of automobiles...

You know... vetting... licensing... registration... mandatory training... transaction approvals... tracking... periodic renewals, etc.

And... given that we've reached a Tipping Point in what the American People at large are willing to tolerate with regard to the status quo...

It's a good bet that Gun Control folks are gonna change things, the next time the Oval Office and the House and the Senate flip...

Which... given the way the Trump Administration is deteriorating... may be sooner rather than later... but inevitable, in any event...

Gun Rights advaocates really need to begin assessing future prospects and seeking a Middle Ground while they still have options and time.

Tick... tick... tick...

I don't need to account to the government to exercise My natural rights and they certainly are not the same as the operation of a motor vehicle.

 

[2aguy]

The vast majority of Americans who are interested in more stringent gun controls are not 'commies'...

Nor is that vast majority looking to 'grab guns'...

Rather, they seek to require the same measure of accountability of gun owners as is required of the operators of automobiles...

You know... vetting... licensing... registration... mandatory training... transaction approvals... tracking... periodic renewals, etc.

And... given that we've reached a Tipping Point in what the American People at large are willing to tolerate with regard to the status quo...

It's a good bet that Gun Control folks are gonna change things, the next time the Oval Office and the House and the Senate flip...

Which... given the way the Trump Administration is deteriorating... may be sooner rather than later... but inevitable, in any event...

Gun Rights advaocates really need to begin assessing future prospects and seeking a Middle Ground while they still have options and time.

Tick... tick... tick...

And you are lying or naive....the CNN Town Hall, the D.C. march and the former Supreme Court Justice told us they want to ban all guns, all semi automatic weapons and to repeal the 2nd Amendment....

And none of those so called measures will reduce gun crime or mass shootings.....since they only affect criminals who ignore them.....

You don't care about effective measures.....you just want to ban guns....

An effective measure is to keep criminals who use guns locked up for 30 years......and if you catch a felon with an illegal gun lock them for 30 years too...

But no...people like you support the democrats who keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail, and those are the ones actually committing crime and murder with guns...and they ignore everything you posted....

That is why we don't take you seriously, it is simply hard to believe you haven't actually thought through anything you posted about....

 

[2aguy]

[ ...So, you want to make it impossible for non criminals (other than the wealthy elite of course, who can afford to jump through all of those hoops) to own guns. Why do you like criminals so much?

Incorrect.

We (The People) require you to be licensed and registered and trained and insured and to undertake periodic renewals in order to operate a vehicle.

Imposing similar responsibilities upon the operators of lethal firearms still makes universal and reasonable provision for every citizen to own firearms.

vehicles are not protected Rights...... people like you used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep blacks from exercising their Right to vote...this is no different, you don't want people owning guns, so you want to impose the equivalent of Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep them from owning and carrying guns..... just like the democrats and their klan killers did during jim crow when they went house to house taking guns from free blacks...

 

[2aguy]

Have any of you nutters asked what crime he should have been arrested for?

From the article:
Deputies received at least a dozen calls about Cruz, 19, over the years and he spent two years in a school for children with emotional and disciplinary problems before being allowed to transfer to Stoneman Douglas. Last year, records show, he was forced to leave after incidents — other students said he abused an ex-girlfriend and fought her new boyfriend. Weeks before the shooting, both the FBI and the sheriff's office received calls saying Cruz could become a school shooter but took no action.
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"I want all of us to move forward to end the environment that allowed people like Nikolas Cruz to fall through the cracks. You knew he was a problem years ago and you did nothing. He should have never been in school with us."

So, EXACTLY what crime should he have jailed for? EXACTLY. Please be precise.

Ask yourselves, do you really want thought police?

He brought knives and bullets to school dipshit...he should have been arrested for that because of his past history of violent attacks on students and staff....do you asshats refuse to do any research before you post?

They could have arrested him for any of those...but the obama Promise Program kept them from arresting him...and those are just what the Broward Coward's will admit to him doing........no telling what he actually did....

 

[2aguy]

Florida school shooting hero blames sheriff, superintendent - news - att.net

PLANTATION, Fla. (AP) — A student gravely wounded while saving his classmates' lives by blocking a door during the Florida school massacre said Friday that the county sheriff and school superintendent failed the victims by not arresting the shooter before the attack and by allowing him to attend the school.

An attorney for 15-year-old Anthony Borges read a statement from him during a news conference criticizing Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel and Superintendent Robert Runcie for the Feb. 14 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland that killed 14 students and three staff members.

Borges was shot five times, suffering wounds to the lungs, abdomen and legs. He was released from a Fort Lauderdale hospital Wednesday morning, the last of the 17 wounded to go home.

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Oh man, someone needs to get this kid the commie script to perpetuate the commie agenda.

Then again, they will deal with him simply by ignoring him.

Pathetic left wing losers.

You Lie! He did not say the NRA or Guns were not to blame. The NRA refused to disarm crazies!

No, it is you who are lying. And poorly at that.

Sheriff slams NRA's Dana Loesch, calls for ban on automatic rifles after Florida school shooting
Sheriff slams NRA rep, calls for ban on assault rifles

More proof you are detached from reality! 15-year-old shooting victim Anthony Borges blames sheriff, but he did not say he does not also blame the NRA for pushing for crazies to have guns!

It's funny how you Trumptards glorify the illegals family getting free education & healthcare! Why are they not already deported???

It wasn't the NRA that allowed this kid to get a gun you dumb shit...it was the democrats and obama and their Promise Program...that is the direct link you moron....the democrats actually fight to get violent gun criminals released from prison, they fight to reduce sentences for gun criminals ....and you blame people with no connection to this shooting..... you are an idiot.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports the FIX NICS act....the democrats oppose it.

California democrats passed a bill to let violent criminals out of prison early, the NRA fought against it...

The NRA trains local, state and federal law enforcement...the democrats constantly attack law enforcement and prevent them from arresting violent gun criminals.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports armed security and armed staff in the schools, the democrats oppose it.

The NRA teaches fun safety to millions of children...the democrats fight teaching gun safety to kids.

The NRA supports keeping violent gun offenders in prison, the democrats let violent gun offenders out of jail and pass laws letting them out early.

The NRA doesn't support the PROMISE PROGRAM, of obama, which allowed the shooter to get the gun...the democrats created and support the Promise program...which allowed the shooter to get his gun...

Since those are the facts, the truth and the reality.....

Of the two groups...the democrats are the ones supporting violent murder, not the NRA...

 

[2aguy]

[ ...So, you want to make it impossible for non criminals (other than the wealthy elite of course, who can afford to jump through all of those hoops) to own guns. Why do you like criminals so much?

Incorrect.

We (The People) require you to be licensed and registered and trained and insured and to undertake periodic renewals in order to operate a vehicle.

Imposing similar responsibilities upon the operators of lethal firearms still makes universal and reasonable provision for every citizen to own firearms.

Yes, and you can raise to cost to such a high level that no legitimate person can afford to own them. Take a look at CA. Who has concealed weapons permits in that State? The wealthy elite, that's who. No one else can even get the forms to fill out to obtain that permit. You are hoist on your own petard.

Odd, I know people in CA who are not the wealthy elite who have CC permits in CA and renew them with limited hoops to jump thru. One friend, retired school lunch supervisor, just got hers renewed....not exactly the wealthy elite.

try that democrat controlled cities, moron....

Sheriffs like this used to stand by while blacks were hanged by democrat klansmen....

Opinion: Sheriff Bill Gore Denies San Diegans 2nd Amendment Rights - Times of San Diego

An injustice is happening in San Diego County, and the person causing the injustice is the county’s top law enforcement officer: Sheriff Bill Gore.

Gore is denying the Second Amendment rights of San Diego County residents who want to carry concealed firearms outside of the home.

The sheriff has set-up secret, undisclosed internal policies that result in denial of application after application from law-abiding, trained county residents who qualify under the state’s requirements for a concealed carry weapon permit. His restrictive policies make it nearly impossible for most trained, law-abiding applicants with good character to obtain a permit.

Orange County sheriff tightens rules on concealed weapons, angering some who want to carry guns – Orange County Register

In the wake of the court’s latest decision, Hutchens is shifting back to the so-called Good Cause policy on concealed weapons, requiring people who want to carry a gun to prove that they have a good reason to do so.

Typically, that means routinely carrying a lot of money or being in imminent danger.

In all, the tougher permit rules figure to stall or change about 7,000 concealed weapon applications currently being processed in Orange County.

Helen Kouchi is in that pool.

The Huntington Beach accountant said she’s days away from finishing a lengthy process of getting a concealed weapon permit, but is now being asked to further explain to authorities why she needs one.

Her reasoning: Her job is in a secluded area and it’s usually dark when she leaves.

“I don’t know which way it’s going to go, but I’m hoping for the best,” Kouchi said. “I’m disappointed, defeated and a little angry. We’re not allowed to have a level playing field with the criminals.”

In previous years when Hutchens was following the Good Cause policy, the county issued about 500 concealed weapon permits annually.

Huntington Beach gun instructor Greg Block, who teaches people rules for carrying concealed weapons, predicted a loud backlash from those who are seeking permits.

“You can’t carry a cop in your pocket, so you carry a gun,” he said.

Sheriff’s spokesman Lt. Jeff Hallock said the policy shift is simply a case of the department following the court.

 

[KissMy]

Florida school shooting hero blames sheriff, superintendent - news - att.net

PLANTATION, Fla. (AP) — A student gravely wounded while saving his classmates' lives by blocking a door during the Florida school massacre said Friday that the county sheriff and school superintendent failed the victims by not arresting the shooter before the attack and by allowing him to attend the school.

An attorney for 15-year-old Anthony Borges read a statement from him during a news conference criticizing Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel and Superintendent Robert Runcie for the Feb. 14 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland that killed 14 students and three staff members.

Borges was shot five times, suffering wounds to the lungs, abdomen and legs. He was released from a Fort Lauderdale hospital Wednesday morning, the last of the 17 wounded to go home.

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Oh man, someone needs to get this kid the commie script to perpetuate the commie agenda.

Then again, they will deal with him simply by ignoring him.

Pathetic left wing losers.

You Lie! He did not say the NRA or Guns were not to blame. The NRA refused to disarm crazies!

No, it is you who are lying. And poorly at that.

Sheriff slams NRA's Dana Loesch, calls for ban on automatic rifles after Florida school shooting
Sheriff slams NRA rep, calls for ban on assault rifles

More proof you are detached from reality! 15-year-old shooting victim Anthony Borges blames sheriff, but he did not say he does not also blame the NRA for pushing for crazies to have guns!

It's funny how you Trumptards glorify the illegals family getting free education & healthcare! Why are they not already deported???

It wasn't the NRA that allowed this kid to get a gun you dumb shit...it was the democrats and obama and their Promise Program...that is the direct link you moron....the democrats actually fight to get violent gun criminals released from prison, they fight to reduce sentences for gun criminals ....and you blame people with no connection to this shooting..... you are an idiot.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports the FIX NICS act....the democrats oppose it.

California democrats passed a bill to let violent criminals out of prison early, the NRA fought against it...

The NRA trains local, state and federal law enforcement...the democrats constantly attack law enforcement and prevent them from arresting violent gun criminals.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports armed security and armed staff in the schools, the democrats oppose it.

The NRA teaches fun safety to millions of children...the democrats fight teaching gun safety to kids.

The NRA supports keeping violent gun offenders in prison, the democrats let violent gun offenders out of jail and pass laws letting them out early.

The NRA doesn't support the PROMISE PROGRAM, of obama, which allowed the shooter to get the gun...the democrats created and support the Promise program...which allowed the shooter to get his gun...

Since those are the facts, the truth and the reality.....

Of the two groups...the democrats are the ones supporting violent murder, not the NRA...

You LIE! Clinton expanded prisioners locked up more than any president in history. We have world record percent population in prison. The NRA pushes guns into the hands of anyone outside prison including crazies. The NRA screams anyone not convicted in court must have right to carry guns.

 

[2aguy]

Florida school shooting hero blames sheriff, superintendent - news - att.net

PLANTATION, Fla. (AP) — A student gravely wounded while saving his classmates' lives by blocking a door during the Florida school massacre said Friday that the county sheriff and school superintendent failed the victims by not arresting the shooter before the attack and by allowing him to attend the school.

An attorney for 15-year-old Anthony Borges read a statement from him during a news conference criticizing Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel and Superintendent Robert Runcie for the Feb. 14 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland that killed 14 students and three staff members.

Borges was shot five times, suffering wounds to the lungs, abdomen and legs. He was released from a Fort Lauderdale hospital Wednesday morning, the last of the 17 wounded to go home.

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Oh man, someone needs to get this kid the commie script to perpetuate the commie agenda.

Then again, they will deal with him simply by ignoring him.

Pathetic left wing losers.

You Lie! He did not say the NRA or Guns were not to blame. The NRA refused to disarm crazies!

No, it is you who are lying. And poorly at that.

Sheriff slams NRA's Dana Loesch, calls for ban on automatic rifles after Florida school shooting
Sheriff slams NRA rep, calls for ban on assault rifles

More proof you are detached from reality! 15-year-old shooting victim Anthony Borges blames sheriff, but he did not say he does not also blame the NRA for pushing for crazies to have guns!

It's funny how you Trumptards glorify the illegals family getting free education & healthcare! Why are they not already deported???

It wasn't the NRA that allowed this kid to get a gun you dumb shit...it was the democrats and obama and their Promise Program...that is the direct link you moron....the democrats actually fight to get violent gun criminals released from prison, they fight to reduce sentences for gun criminals ....and you blame people with no connection to this shooting..... you are an idiot.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports the FIX NICS act....the democrats oppose it.

California democrats passed a bill to let violent criminals out of prison early, the NRA fought against it...

The NRA trains local, state and federal law enforcement...the democrats constantly attack law enforcement and prevent them from arresting violent gun criminals.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports armed security and armed staff in the schools, the democrats oppose it.

The NRA teaches fun safety to millions of children...the democrats fight teaching gun safety to kids.

The NRA supports keeping violent gun offenders in prison, the democrats let violent gun offenders out of jail and pass laws letting them out early.

The NRA doesn't support the PROMISE PROGRAM, of obama, which allowed the shooter to get the gun...the democrats created and support the Promise program...which allowed the shooter to get his gun...

Since those are the facts, the truth and the reality.....

Of the two groups...the democrats are the ones supporting violent murder, not the NRA...

You LIE! Clinton expanded prisioners locked up more than any president in history. We have world record percent population in prison. The NRA pushes guns into the hands of anyone outside prison including crazies. The NRA screams anyone not convicted in court must have right to carry guns.

The democrat party lets violent gun offenders out of prison over and over again....the blood is on them and you, if you support democrats...

Study: Chicago homicides spiked due to ACLU police decree

Cassell and Fowles have studied the spike of homicides in Chicago in 2016. Through multiple regression analysis and other tools, they conclude that an ACLU consent decree triggered a sharp reduction in stop and frisks by the Chicago Police Department, which in turn caused homicides to spike. In other words, what Chicago police officers call the“ACLU effect” is real. That effect was more homicides and shootings.

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Detailed regression analysis of the homicide (and related shooting) data strongly supports what visual observation suggests. Using monthly data from 2012 through 2016, we are able to control for such factors as temperature, homicides in other parts of Illinois, 9-1-1 calls (as a measure of police-citizen cooperation), and arrests for various types of crimes.


Even controlling for these factors, our equations indicate that the steep decline in stop and frisks was strongly linked, at high levels of statistical significance, to the sharp increase in homicides (and other shooting crimes) in 2016.

Cassell and Fowles then searched for other possible factors that might be responsible for the Chicago homicide spike. None fit the data as well as the decline in stop and frisks.

Cassell and Fowles quantified the costs of the decline in stop and frisks in human and financial terms.


They found that, because of fewer stop and frisks in 2016, a conservative estimate is that approximately 236 additional homicides and 1115 additional shootings occurred during that year.


A reasonable estimate of the social costs associated with these additional homicides and shootings is about $1,500,000,000. And these costs are heavily concentrated in Chicago’s African-American and Hispanic communities.



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Maryland's new crime bill is a start, but remains weak tea


Senators voted 36-8 to approve the legislation, which was put together by Sen. Bobby Zirkin, a Baltimore County Democrat who chairs the Judicial Proceedings Committee, as a comprehensive response to a surge in violent crime in Baltimore last year.

Much of the opposition came from Baltimore, where a majority of the delegation voted no.

A couple of things to note in here. First, the bill passed by a wide margin in the Senate (still needs House approval) but almost all of the opposition came from the state senators from the Baltimore area.

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Sadly, even if this makes it into law it’s missing some key items. They’re increasing penalties for repeat gun offenders, but not for first-time gun crimes. As their own police have said repeatedly, the key to curbing these trends is to get to the gang members when they are young and try to turn them away from violence at the first signs of trouble. Giving shooters a slap on the wrist doesn’t send a very powerful message.

They also rejected the Governor’s call for increased mandatory minimums for gun crimes.

The same lesson applies here. Community outreach and neighborhood involvement in projects such as the “no murder weekends” is a very good thing. Getting more cops out on foot patrol where they can get to know the law-abiding members of the community is great too. But it can’t all be carrots. You need a stick to go with that. And until they start getting more serious about rooting out gun violence where it really happens and getting the shooters off the street, measures like this are going to continue to come up short.

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Dart warns of 'dramatic increase' in people charged with gun crimes released on electronic monitors

Judges have treated felony gun charges in a dramatically different way since the reforms were implemented, according to data from the sheriff's office.

Over a nearly four-month period in 2016, judges gave out cash-based bonds in nearly 96 percent of felony gun cases and released just 2 percent on electronic monitors. In the 10 weeks after the bond order took effect in September, though, the number of cash-based bonds for gun cases plummeted to about 40 percent, while those freed on the electronic bracelets jumped to 22 percent.

The amount set for bonds also sharply fell on average, from nearly $134,000 in 2016 to almost $22,000 in 2017, according to the analysis.

By contrast, judges also boosted how often they ordered no bond for those charged with felony gun offenses, to more than 9 percent in 2017, compared with no cases at all in 2016, the analysis showed.

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Dart, along with Preckwinkle and other elected county officials, has been a vocal opponent of the cash-bond system in which judges require defendants to put down money to secure their release from jail while awaiting trial.

Critics say the system unfairly punishes the poor and that defendants charged with violent offenses who sometimes have easy access to cash because of gang ties can be back out on the street within days.

In July, as part of the reform push, Chief Judge Timothy Evans announced that judges would be required to set bail only in amounts that defendants could afford to pay in an effort to ensure that people charged with nonviolent crimes weren’t languishing in jail simply because they didn’t have the cash, sometimes only a few hundred dollars, to post for bond.

firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


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John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

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Democrats lower sentences in California...for gun criminals


California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

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felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds









Chicago's grim murder trend blamed on light sentencing, misguided reforms

Lamar Harris had seven felony convictions and 43 arrests when he shot three Chicago police officers. The same week, Samuel Harviley, who had just been paroled after serving less than half of his sentence for armed carjacking, shot yet another of the Windy City’s finest.

Police officials, researchers and many elected leaders all agree that the pair were prime examples of the violent pool of criminals driving the city’s historically high crime rate.

Ex-cons well-known to police and with a proven propensity for violence are being let out early from prison or let off lightly by judges, only to wreak havoc on the city, they say.



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“We have five districts that are driving the crime in the city,” Johnson said in a recent radio interview. “And within those districts, there is a small subset of individuals who are responsible for those crimes. They have multiple arrests for gun offenses and until we start holding these people accountable [the problem will persist].”

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Illinois is one of several states implementing recommendations from prison reform commissions to reduce or even eliminate mandatory minimum sentences. Those groups seek to reduce prison populations by as much as 25 percent.

The movement to slash sentences and free inmates is given momentum by controversial, police-involved shootings that galvanize communities, as well as protests by Black Lives Matter and civil rights groups. But shortening sentences of violent offenders puts both police and law-abiding residents of the inner city at risk, say law enforcement officials.

 

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Florida school shooting hero blames sheriff, superintendent - news - att.net

PLANTATION, Fla. (AP) — A student gravely wounded while saving his classmates' lives by blocking a door during the Florida school massacre said Friday that the county sheriff and school superintendent failed the victims by not arresting the shooter before the attack and by allowing him to attend the school.

An attorney for 15-year-old Anthony Borges read a statement from him during a news conference criticizing Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel and Superintendent Robert Runcie for the Feb. 14 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland that killed 14 students and three staff members.

Borges was shot five times, suffering wounds to the lungs, abdomen and legs. He was released from a Fort Lauderdale hospital Wednesday morning, the last of the 17 wounded to go home.

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Oh man, someone needs to get this kid the commie script to perpetuate the commie agenda.

Then again, they will deal with him simply by ignoring him.

Pathetic left wing losers.

You Lie! He did not say the NRA or Guns were not to blame. The NRA refused to disarm crazies!

No, it is you who are lying. And poorly at that.

Sheriff slams NRA's Dana Loesch, calls for ban on automatic rifles after Florida school shooting
Sheriff slams NRA rep, calls for ban on assault rifles

More proof you are detached from reality! 15-year-old shooting victim Anthony Borges blames sheriff, but he did not say he does not also blame the NRA for pushing for crazies to have guns!

It's funny how you Trumptards glorify the illegals family getting free education & healthcare! Why are they not already deported???

It wasn't the NRA that allowed this kid to get a gun you dumb shit...it was the democrats and obama and their Promise Program...that is the direct link you moron....the democrats actually fight to get violent gun criminals released from prison, they fight to reduce sentences for gun criminals ....and you blame people with no connection to this shooting..... you are an idiot.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports the FIX NICS act....the democrats oppose it.

California democrats passed a bill to let violent criminals out of prison early, the NRA fought against it...

The NRA trains local, state and federal law enforcement...the democrats constantly attack law enforcement and prevent them from arresting violent gun criminals.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports armed security and armed staff in the schools, the democrats oppose it.

The NRA teaches fun safety to millions of children...the democrats fight teaching gun safety to kids.

The NRA supports keeping violent gun offenders in prison, the democrats let violent gun offenders out of jail and pass laws letting them out early.

The NRA doesn't support the PROMISE PROGRAM, of obama, which allowed the shooter to get the gun...the democrats created and support the Promise program...which allowed the shooter to get his gun...

Since those are the facts, the truth and the reality.....

Of the two groups...the democrats are the ones supporting violent murder, not the NRA...

You LIE! Clinton expanded prisioners locked up more than any president in history. We have world record percent population in prison. The NRA pushes guns into the hands of anyone outside prison including crazies. The NRA screams anyone not convicted in court must have right to carry guns.

The NRA screams anyone not convicted in court must have right to carry guns.

Yes...moron...that is how the system works...if you aren't a criminal, you get the full complement of Rights........fascists like you don't understand that...

 

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[ ...So, you want to make it impossible for non criminals (other than the wealthy elite of course, who can afford to jump through all of those hoops) to own guns. Why do you like criminals so much?

Incorrect.

We (The People) require you to be licensed and registered and trained and insured and to undertake periodic renewals in order to operate a vehicle.

Imposing similar responsibilities upon the operators of lethal firearms still makes universal and reasonable provision for every citizen to own firearms.

Yes, and you can raise to cost to such a high level that no legitimate person can afford to own them. Take a look at CA. Who has concealed weapons permits in that State? The wealthy elite, that's who. No one else can even get the forms to fill out to obtain that permit. You are hoist on your own petard.

Odd, I know people in CA who are not the wealthy elite who have CC permits in CA and renew them with limited hoops to jump thru. One friend, retired school lunch supervisor, just got hers renewed....not exactly the wealthy elite.

No, you don't. You are a serial liar, and we all know this. This is the reality of a normal person trying to get a CCW in CA. If you live in a rural county your chances are much better, but if you live on the coast you can forget it.



Those of us who live in California are all too familiar with the challenges that come with buying, owning, and carrying firearms. When we make the trip to the local gun store our selection is limited to pistols which are on the roster and pre-approved by the California DOJ. The limited number of guns that pass our 10 round magazine, magazine safety, and microstamping requirements leaves us with a selection which is a fraction of what most states have.

When it comes to obtaining a concealed carry permit your chances of being approved highly depends on the county in which you reside. Some counties are “shall issue” while others require “good cause”. Living in Sacramento County, the good cause requirement made it pretty tough to get a carry permit. Sacramento tends to only issue CCW’s if you were in an occupation that put your safety at much higher risk than that of the average citizen. A few years ago, that all changed. The new sheriff in town decided that a citizen wanting to protect themselves, in a life or death situation, was a good enough cause to issue a CCW. After never applying, because I had never seen any hope of being approved, I made the decision to give it a shot.

Step #1 – Schedule an interview
The first step was to make an appointment on the Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department website. As it turned out, I wasn’t the only person who had heard about the issuance of carry permits; all appointments slots were already booked for the next year. After about six months, the appointment system was updated and it allowed me to put myself on the waiting list. Fourteen months later, my name was at the top and I was finally able to schedule an appointment.

In preparation for the initial interview I needed to complete the CCW application form, write a letter of statement, two forms of address verification (i.e., utility bills), and get a cashier’s check or money order for $20. The application form required basic information, disclosure of any criminal convictions, and even any traffic violations within the last five years. Oh boy, I had three speeding tickets!


Concealed Carry In California; A Look At The Process Of Obtaining A Permit

Just because you wouldn't be able to get a CC in California, doesn't mean it's impossible. And my friend who just renewed hers, a staunch RWr, would laugh at your assertions.....just as much as I laugh AT you.