Uncomfortable FACT about Mayor de Blasio for conservatives...

[PredFan]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting a UNION. And not just any union, a PUBLIC sector union.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...


"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

What a nit wit you are! I'll bet you think you've done something clever don't you? Idiot.

 

[westwall]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting a UNION. And not just any union, a PUBLIC sector union.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...


"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

You folks on the left are denouncing the police which is stupid as you support the state and the police are just the armed enforcement branch of the state. You can't have it both ways, you want an ever more powerful state, then you get an ever more powerful police. Think about it; that guy on Staten Island was killed because the state wasn't getting its cut of what he was selling. This is what you want and this is what you get. FACT.

I denounce abusive and corrupt police thugs. The problem isn't that all police are abusive and corrupt thugs, its that the honest cops never speak out against the ones who abuse their power. They won't cross the "Blue line"

Anyone who saw the Eric Garner video can see that this was a case of police abuse, but there is not a PEEP from anyone who wears a badge.

You folks on the right really have take a hard to look in a mirror. I Know you despise liberals, but calling liberals Nazis and authoritarians must end.

Liberals would never participate in this...but you folks on the right are almost there...

No, that is the behavior of progressive collectivists. You should read your history books sometimes. You might actually learn something. So who were the collectivists, the Nazis, as you kindly show above.....death toll over 6 million, the Soviets (who you seem to love) death toll over 25 million, the Chinese under Mao (who you also seem to love) death toll over 100 million, the brave Cambodian leader Pol Pot who your high priest Chomsky loves, death toll over 2 million....

Nope, I don't see any conservatives there, I do see a lot of progressive collectivists though.

I guess that mirror will never be used. You folks on the right always embrace abusive authoritarians like Putin and Cheney, cheer war and torture, dehumanize humans like Eric Garner and Michael Brown, then turn around and try to pin the blame on liberals for atrocities liberals would NEVER participate in...

What don't you understand?

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

And the dishonest poster puts words in my mouth that were never there. How totally unsurprising that a unethical hack would resort to the old tried and true BS tactics yet again. I'm on the left first off. I believe in the maximum freedoms for PEOPLE. Not government. Government is power, government is collectivism, collectivism is death to PEOPLE.

You progressives either don't care about that fact, or you're too ignorant to understand it.

 

[Bfgrn]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting a UNION. And not just any union, a PUBLIC sector union.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...


"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

You folks on the left are denouncing the police which is stupid as you support the state and the police are just the armed enforcement branch of the state. You can't have it both ways, you want an ever more powerful state, then you get an ever more powerful police. Think about it; that guy on Staten Island was killed because the state wasn't getting its cut of what he was selling. This is what you want and this is what you get. FACT.

I denounce abusive and corrupt police thugs. The problem isn't that all police are abusive and corrupt thugs, its that the honest cops never speak out against the ones who abuse their power. They won't cross the "Blue line"

Anyone who saw the Eric Garner video can see that this was a case of police abuse, but there is not a PEEP from anyone who wears a badge.

You folks on the right really have take a hard to look in a mirror. I Know you despise liberals, but calling liberals Nazis and authoritarians must end.

Liberals would never participate in this...but you folks on the right are almost there...

No, that is the behavior of progressive collectivists. You should read your history books sometimes. You might actually learn something. So who were the collectivists, the Nazis, as you kindly show above.....death toll over 6 million, the Soviets (who you seem to love) death toll over 25 million, the Chinese under Mao (who you also seem to love) death toll over 100 million, the brave Cambodian leader Pol Pot who your high priest Chomsky loves, death toll over 2 million....

Nope, I don't see any conservatives there, I do see a lot of progressive collectivists though.

I guess that mirror will never be used. You folks on the right always embrace abusive authoritarians like Putin and Cheney, cheer war and torture, dehumanize humans like Eric Garner and Michael Brown, then turn around and try to pin the blame on liberals for atrocities liberals would NEVER participate in...

What don't you understand?

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

And the dishonest poster puts words in my mouth that were never there. How totally unsurprising that a unethical hack would resort to the old tried and true BS tactics yet again. I'm on the left first off. I believe in the maximum freedoms for PEOPLE. Not government. Government is power, government is collectivism, collectivism is death to PEOPLE.

You progressives either don't care about that fact, or you're too ignorant to understand it.

First of all, conservatives have NEVER given us less government, they have given us MORE. Does that FACT escape you?

And there is no 'maximum freedom' without government. There would be chaos, lawlessness, and deaths.

But it is not surprising that you subscribe to social Darwinism, it was the strong beliefs of Hitler and Stalin...

Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government.
Edmund Burke

 

[westwall]

You folks on the left are denouncing the police which is stupid as you support the state and the police are just the armed enforcement branch of the state. You can't have it both ways, you want an ever more powerful state, then you get an ever more powerful police. Think about it; that guy on Staten Island was killed because the state wasn't getting its cut of what he was selling. This is what you want and this is what you get. FACT.

I denounce abusive and corrupt police thugs. The problem isn't that all police are abusive and corrupt thugs, its that the honest cops never speak out against the ones who abuse their power. They won't cross the "Blue line"

Anyone who saw the Eric Garner video can see that this was a case of police abuse, but there is not a PEEP from anyone who wears a badge.

You folks on the right really have take a hard to look in a mirror. I Know you despise liberals, but calling liberals Nazis and authoritarians must end.

Liberals would never participate in this...but you folks on the right are almost there...

No, that is the behavior of progressive collectivists. You should read your history books sometimes. You might actually learn something. So who were the collectivists, the Nazis, as you kindly show above.....death toll over 6 million, the Soviets (who you seem to love) death toll over 25 million, the Chinese under Mao (who you also seem to love) death toll over 100 million, the brave Cambodian leader Pol Pot who your high priest Chomsky loves, death toll over 2 million....

Nope, I don't see any conservatives there, I do see a lot of progressive collectivists though.

I guess that mirror will never be used. You folks on the right always embrace abusive authoritarians like Putin and Cheney, cheer war and torture, dehumanize humans like Eric Garner and Michael Brown, then turn around and try to pin the blame on liberals for atrocities liberals would NEVER participate in...

What don't you understand?

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

And the dishonest poster puts words in my mouth that were never there. How totally unsurprising that a unethical hack would resort to the old tried and true BS tactics yet again. I'm on the left first off. I believe in the maximum freedoms for PEOPLE. Not government. Government is power, government is collectivism, collectivism is death to PEOPLE.

You progressives either don't care about that fact, or you're too ignorant to understand it.

First of all, conservatives have NEVER given us less government, they have given us MORE. Does that FACT escape you?

And there is no 'maximum freedom' without government. There would be chaos, lawlessness, and deaths.

But it is not surprising that you subscribe to social Darwinism, it was the strong beliefs of Hitler and Stalin...

Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government.
Edmund Burke

Collectivists are the social Darwins numbskull. Republicans indeed don't reduce government, which they should, however name the two POTUS's who increased the government the most?

 

[Bfgrn]

I denounce abusive and corrupt police thugs. The problem isn't that all police are abusive and corrupt thugs, its that the honest cops never speak out against the ones who abuse their power. They won't cross the "Blue line"

Anyone who saw the Eric Garner video can see that this was a case of police abuse, but there is not a PEEP from anyone who wears a badge.

You folks on the right really have take a hard to look in a mirror. I Know you despise liberals, but calling liberals Nazis and authoritarians must end.

Liberals would never participate in this...but you folks on the right are almost there...

No, that is the behavior of progressive collectivists. You should read your history books sometimes. You might actually learn something. So who were the collectivists, the Nazis, as you kindly show above.....death toll over 6 million, the Soviets (who you seem to love) death toll over 25 million, the Chinese under Mao (who you also seem to love) death toll over 100 million, the brave Cambodian leader Pol Pot who your high priest Chomsky loves, death toll over 2 million....

Nope, I don't see any conservatives there, I do see a lot of progressive collectivists though.

I guess that mirror will never be used. You folks on the right always embrace abusive authoritarians like Putin and Cheney, cheer war and torture, dehumanize humans like Eric Garner and Michael Brown, then turn around and try to pin the blame on liberals for atrocities liberals would NEVER participate in...

What don't you understand?

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

And the dishonest poster puts words in my mouth that were never there. How totally unsurprising that a unethical hack would resort to the old tried and true BS tactics yet again. I'm on the left first off. I believe in the maximum freedoms for PEOPLE. Not government. Government is power, government is collectivism, collectivism is death to PEOPLE.

You progressives either don't care about that fact, or you're too ignorant to understand it.

First of all, conservatives have NEVER given us less government, they have given us MORE. Does that FACT escape you?

And there is no 'maximum freedom' without government. There would be chaos, lawlessness, and deaths.

But it is not surprising that you subscribe to social Darwinism, it was the strong beliefs of Hitler and Stalin...

Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government.
Edmund Burke

Collectivists are the social Darwins numbskull. Republicans indeed don't reduce government, which they should, however name the two POTUS's who increased the government the most?

Collectivists believe in survival of the fittest/richest? REALLY????????

SO...collectivist must be the ones who want to end "entitlement" programs...

 

[westwall]

No, that is the behavior of progressive collectivists. You should read your history books sometimes. You might actually learn something. So who were the collectivists, the Nazis, as you kindly show above.....death toll over 6 million, the Soviets (who you seem to love) death toll over 25 million, the Chinese under Mao (who you also seem to love) death toll over 100 million, the brave Cambodian leader Pol Pot who your high priest Chomsky loves, death toll over 2 million....

Nope, I don't see any conservatives there, I do see a lot of progressive collectivists though.

I guess that mirror will never be used. You folks on the right always embrace abusive authoritarians like Putin and Cheney, cheer war and torture, dehumanize humans like Eric Garner and Michael Brown, then turn around and try to pin the blame on liberals for atrocities liberals would NEVER participate in...

What don't you understand?

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

And the dishonest poster puts words in my mouth that were never there. How totally unsurprising that a unethical hack would resort to the old tried and true BS tactics yet again. I'm on the left first off. I believe in the maximum freedoms for PEOPLE. Not government. Government is power, government is collectivism, collectivism is death to PEOPLE.

You progressives either don't care about that fact, or you're too ignorant to understand it.

First of all, conservatives have NEVER given us less government, they have given us MORE. Does that FACT escape you?

And there is no 'maximum freedom' without government. There would be chaos, lawlessness, and deaths.

But it is not surprising that you subscribe to social Darwinism, it was the strong beliefs of Hitler and Stalin...

Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government.
Edmund Burke

Collectivists are the social Darwins numbskull. Republicans indeed don't reduce government, which they should, however name the two POTUS's who increased the government the most?

Collectivists believe in survival of the fittest/richest? REALLY????????

SO...collectivist must be the ones who want to end "entitlement" programs...

Collectivists believe in survival of the fittest, so long as they're the ones making the rules, thus ensuring their survival. So yes, they are the ULTIMATE social Darwinists.

 

[Bfgrn]

I guess that mirror will never be used. You folks on the right always embrace abusive authoritarians like Putin and Cheney, cheer war and torture, dehumanize humans like Eric Garner and Michael Brown, then turn around and try to pin the blame on liberals for atrocities liberals would NEVER participate in...

What don't you understand?

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

And the dishonest poster puts words in my mouth that were never there. How totally unsurprising that a unethical hack would resort to the old tried and true BS tactics yet again. I'm on the left first off. I believe in the maximum freedoms for PEOPLE. Not government. Government is power, government is collectivism, collectivism is death to PEOPLE.

You progressives either don't care about that fact, or you're too ignorant to understand it.

First of all, conservatives have NEVER given us less government, they have given us MORE. Does that FACT escape you?

And there is no 'maximum freedom' without government. There would be chaos, lawlessness, and deaths.

But it is not surprising that you subscribe to social Darwinism, it was the strong beliefs of Hitler and Stalin...

Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government.
Edmund Burke

Collectivists are the social Darwins numbskull. Republicans indeed don't reduce government, which they should, however name the two POTUS's who increased the government the most?

Collectivists believe in survival of the fittest/richest? REALLY????????

SO...collectivist must be the ones who want to end "entitlement" programs...

Collectivists believe in survival of the fittest, so long as they're the ones making the rules, thus ensuring their survival. So yes, they are the ULTIMATE social Darwinists.

Are you trying to prove you are an imbecile? Collectivist believe that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called “the common good.”

Social Darwinism is WHOLLY owned by the right...

The Tea Parties Bring Back Social Darwinism
The right-wing populism manifested in the movement is essentially the same old Social Darwinism that appeared in U.S. society in the nineteenth century.

Sumner believed that the fundamental law of the universe was survival of the fittest. So progressivism or socialism or any ideology that aimed to “save individuals from any of the difficulties or hardships of the struggle for existence” was pure folly. Like today’s right-wing populist revolt, Sumner’s brand of Social Darwinism propagated an unabashed but seamless defense of two groups that would seem to be at odds: the Captain of Industry and the Forgotten Man.

For Sumner, both of these figurative “men” had more to fear from the paternal state than they did from each other. Take the Captain of Industry. For Sumner, society depended on the creation of individual wealth; thus, social advancement for all depended on the financial abilities of the few. “If we should set a limit to the accumulation of wealth,” he wrote, “we should say to our most valued producers, ‘We do not want you to do us the services which you best understand how to perform, beyond a certain point.’ It would be like killing off our generals in a war.”

 

[Vigilante]

And the dishonest poster puts words in my mouth that were never there. How totally unsurprising that a unethical hack would resort to the old tried and true BS tactics yet again. I'm on the left first off. I believe in the maximum freedoms for PEOPLE. Not government. Government is power, government is collectivism, collectivism is death to PEOPLE.

You progressives either don't care about that fact, or you're too ignorant to understand it.

First of all, conservatives have NEVER given us less government, they have given us MORE. Does that FACT escape you?

And there is no 'maximum freedom' without government. There would be chaos, lawlessness, and deaths.

But it is not surprising that you subscribe to social Darwinism, it was the strong beliefs of Hitler and Stalin...

Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government.
Edmund Burke

Collectivists are the social Darwins numbskull. Republicans indeed don't reduce government, which they should, however name the two POTUS's who increased the government the most?

Collectivists believe in survival of the fittest/richest? REALLY????????

SO...collectivist must be the ones who want to end "entitlement" programs...

Collectivists believe in survival of the fittest, so long as they're the ones making the rules, thus ensuring their survival. So yes, they are the ULTIMATE social Darwinists.

Are you trying to prove you are an imbecile? Collectivist believe that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called “the common good.”

Social Darwinism is WHOLLY owned by the right...

The Tea Parties Bring Back Social Darwinism
The right-wing populism manifested in the movement is essentially the same old Social Darwinism that appeared in U.S. society in the nineteenth century.

Sumner believed that the fundamental law of the universe was survival of the fittest. So progressivism or socialism or any ideology that aimed to “save individuals from any of the difficulties or hardships of the struggle for existence” was pure folly. Like today’s right-wing populist revolt, Sumner’s brand of Social Darwinism propagated an unabashed but seamless defense of two groups that would seem to be at odds: the Captain of Industry and the Forgotten Man.

For Sumner, both of these figurative “men” had more to fear from the paternal state than they did from each other. Take the Captain of Industry. For Sumner, society depended on the creation of individual wealth; thus, social advancement for all depended on the financial abilities of the few. “If we should set a limit to the accumulation of wealth,” he wrote, “we should say to our most valued producers, ‘We do not want you to do us the services which you best understand how to perform, beyond a certain point.’ It would be like killing off our generals in a war.”

Think you could get that article from a more PROGRESSIVE site than AlterNet?

 

[Bfgrn]

First of all, conservatives have NEVER given us less government, they have given us MORE. Does that FACT escape you?

And there is no 'maximum freedom' without government. There would be chaos, lawlessness, and deaths.

But it is not surprising that you subscribe to social Darwinism, it was the strong beliefs of Hitler and Stalin...

Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government.
Edmund Burke

Collectivists are the social Darwins numbskull. Republicans indeed don't reduce government, which they should, however name the two POTUS's who increased the government the most?

Collectivists believe in survival of the fittest/richest? REALLY????????

SO...collectivist must be the ones who want to end "entitlement" programs...

Collectivists believe in survival of the fittest, so long as they're the ones making the rules, thus ensuring their survival. So yes, they are the ULTIMATE social Darwinists.

Are you trying to prove you are an imbecile? Collectivist believe that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called “the common good.”

Social Darwinism is WHOLLY owned by the right...

The Tea Parties Bring Back Social Darwinism
The right-wing populism manifested in the movement is essentially the same old Social Darwinism that appeared in U.S. society in the nineteenth century.

Sumner believed that the fundamental law of the universe was survival of the fittest. So progressivism or socialism or any ideology that aimed to “save individuals from any of the difficulties or hardships of the struggle for existence” was pure folly. Like today’s right-wing populist revolt, Sumner’s brand of Social Darwinism propagated an unabashed but seamless defense of two groups that would seem to be at odds: the Captain of Industry and the Forgotten Man.

For Sumner, both of these figurative “men” had more to fear from the paternal state than they did from each other. Take the Captain of Industry. For Sumner, society depended on the creation of individual wealth; thus, social advancement for all depended on the financial abilities of the few. “If we should set a limit to the accumulation of wealth,” he wrote, “we should say to our most valued producers, ‘We do not want you to do us the services which you best understand how to perform, beyond a certain point.’ It would be like killing off our generals in a war.”

Think you could get that article from a more PROGRESSIVE site than AlterNet?

You are welcome to offer a reply to the content of the article. But it is accurate, so you will have a tough time finding a cartoon to post from your far right wing sources...

 

[bripat9643]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting a UNION. And not just any union, a PUBLIC sector union.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...


"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

And...based on your premise....when you buy gasoline for your car you are supporting the oil companies.

What a childish argument you started here. LMAO...and you told US to spin it any way we want?

Really?

False equivalency. We are always hearing about "union thugs" from the right. Now, when we see REAL union thugs who swarm and choke a man to death, they are just doing their jobs, or some right wing turds blame Eric Garner. You folks are SCUM.

That cop wasn't beating someone crossing a picket line, dumbass.

Talk about false equivalencies.

 

[Iceweasel]

First of all, conservatives have NEVER given us less government, they have given us MORE. Does that FACT escape you?

A few examples come to mind, to this day Reagan gets blamed for the cuts in federal mental health care, it was and is a state problem. Secondly, during Clinton's era conservatives finally got him to sign welfare reform. Then spending reduction. More recently the infamous sequester. When conservatives cut spending in federal, state and local governments liberals scream bloody murder, (the children will starve, old ladies will lose their homes, we can pay the cops, firefighters, etc.) and here we have you with your unique perspective.

 

[Iceweasel]

Social Darwinism is WHOLLY owned by the right...

The Tea Parties Bring Back Social Darwinism
The right-wing populism manifested in the movement is essentially the same old Social Darwinism that appeared in U.S. society in the nineteenth century.

Sumner believed that the fundamental law of the universe was survival of the fittest. So progressivism or socialism or any ideology that aimed to “save individuals from any of the difficulties or hardships of the struggle for existence” was pure folly. Like today’s right-wing populist revolt, Sumner’s brand of Social Darwinism propagated an unabashed but seamless defense of two groups that would seem to be at odds: the Captain of Industry and the Forgotten Man.

For Sumner, both of these figurative “men” had more to fear from the paternal state than they did from each other. Take the Captain of Industry. For Sumner, society depended on the creation of individual wealth; thus, social advancement for all depended on the financial abilities of the few. “If we should set a limit to the accumulation of wealth,” he wrote, “we should say to our most valued producers, ‘We do not want you to do us the services which you best understand how to perform, beyond a certain point.’ It would be like killing off our generals in a war.”

Is social darwinism the new catch phrase by socialists to smear capitalism? Our country was founded by capitalists, with a capitalist economic system and we've done pretty good with it. More than a few have prospered.

What I don't understand about liberals is why they cry about the unfairness of capitalism, how oppressive it is and all that, BUT people from foreign lands, taking big risks and dying to get here, can and often do very well. Some barely speak the language but they know opportunity when the see it and take advantage of it.

Why don't you liberals place your failures where they belong? On yourselves.

 

[Bfgrn]

Social Darwinism is WHOLLY owned by the right...

The Tea Parties Bring Back Social Darwinism
The right-wing populism manifested in the movement is essentially the same old Social Darwinism that appeared in U.S. society in the nineteenth century.

Sumner believed that the fundamental law of the universe was survival of the fittest. So progressivism or socialism or any ideology that aimed to “save individuals from any of the difficulties or hardships of the struggle for existence” was pure folly. Like today’s right-wing populist revolt, Sumner’s brand of Social Darwinism propagated an unabashed but seamless defense of two groups that would seem to be at odds: the Captain of Industry and the Forgotten Man.

For Sumner, both of these figurative “men” had more to fear from the paternal state than they did from each other. Take the Captain of Industry. For Sumner, society depended on the creation of individual wealth; thus, social advancement for all depended on the financial abilities of the few. “If we should set a limit to the accumulation of wealth,” he wrote, “we should say to our most valued producers, ‘We do not want you to do us the services which you best understand how to perform, beyond a certain point.’ It would be like killing off our generals in a war.”

Is social darwinism the new catch phrase by socialists to smear capitalism? Our country was founded by capitalists, with a capitalist economic system and we've done pretty good with it. More than a few have prospered.

What I don't understand about liberals is why they cry about the unfairness of capitalism, how oppressive it is and all that, BUT people from foreign lands, taking big risks and dying to get here, can and often do very well. Some barely speak the language but they know opportunity when the see it and take advantage of it.

Why don't you liberals place your failures where they belong? On yourselves.

Our country was founded by men who vehemently opposed oppression, by a King AND equally by huge multinational corporations. The Boston Tea Party was a protest against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the BEIC pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America.

Our founding fathers heavily regulated early corporations and shut down any corporation who did not serve the public good.


The selfish spirit of commerce knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.
Thomas Jefferson - Letter to Larkin Smith (1809)

 

[whitehall]

Another assumption by the low information left. Why does the radical left assume "right wingers" hate unions?

 

[Bfgrn]

Another assumption by the low information left. Why does the radical left assume "right wingers" hate unions?

SERIOUSLY?!?!


"We're going to crush labor as a political entity"
Grover Norquist - Republican economic guru and co-author of the GOP's 'Contract with America'

 

[bripat9643]

Social Darwinism is WHOLLY owned by the right...

The Tea Parties Bring Back Social Darwinism
The right-wing populism manifested in the movement is essentially the same old Social Darwinism that appeared in U.S. society in the nineteenth century.

Sumner believed that the fundamental law of the universe was survival of the fittest. So progressivism or socialism or any ideology that aimed to “save individuals from any of the difficulties or hardships of the struggle for existence” was pure folly. Like today’s right-wing populist revolt, Sumner’s brand of Social Darwinism propagated an unabashed but seamless defense of two groups that would seem to be at odds: the Captain of Industry and the Forgotten Man.

For Sumner, both of these figurative “men” had more to fear from the paternal state than they did from each other. Take the Captain of Industry. For Sumner, society depended on the creation of individual wealth; thus, social advancement for all depended on the financial abilities of the few. “If we should set a limit to the accumulation of wealth,” he wrote, “we should say to our most valued producers, ‘We do not want you to do us the services which you best understand how to perform, beyond a certain point.’ It would be like killing off our generals in a war.”

Is social darwinism the new catch phrase by socialists to smear capitalism? Our country was founded by capitalists, with a capitalist economic system and we've done pretty good with it. More than a few have prospered.

What I don't understand about liberals is why they cry about the unfairness of capitalism, how oppressive it is and all that, BUT people from foreign lands, taking big risks and dying to get here, can and often do very well. Some barely speak the language but they know opportunity when the see it and take advantage of it.

Why don't you liberals place your failures where they belong? On yourselves.

Our country was founded by men who vehemently opposed oppression, by a King AND equally by huge multinational corporations. The Boston Tea Party was a protest against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the BEIC pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America.

Our founding fathers heavily regulated early corporations and shut down any corporation who did not serve the public good.


The selfish spirit of commerce knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.
Thomas Jefferson - Letter to Larkin Smith (1809)

Only an idiot would claim a similarity between Walmart and the British East India Company. The later had a government granted monopoly. At the Boston Tea Party the conolonist were not revolting against a cut in British taxes on tea. They were protesting the Kings decision to impose an increase in the tax on Tea. It's a perfect example of exactly the kind of government favoritism that liberals love.

Aside from displaying your total ignorance of history, your post was informative.

 

[bripat9643]

Another assumption by the low information left. Why does the radical left assume "right wingers" hate unions?

SERIOUSLY?!?!


"We're going to crush labor as a political entity"
Grover Norquist - Republican economic guru and co-author of the GOP's 'Contract with America'

I think that quote is a labor union myth. Can you list the publication where he said it?

 

[Roudy]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting a UNION. And not just any union, a PUBLIC sector union.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...


"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

Ah I see, the entire police force of this country is under attack by a bunch of anti capitalist union supporting commies in the Democrat party. But because the police refuse to be quiet, demonized and called racists, now suddenly it's the evil "police unions" that are to blame. What a bunch of worms the Democrats have turned into. Keep following that traitor Obama over the cliff.

 

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Our country was founded by men who vehemently opposed oppression, by a King AND equally by huge multinational corporations. The Boston Tea Party was a protest against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the BEIC pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America.

Our founding fathers heavily regulated early corporations and shut down any corporation who did not serve the public good.


The selfish spirit of commerce knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.
Thomas Jefferson - Letter to Larkin Smith (1809)

Jefferson was right, he was a capitalist, like most other founders. But not a very good one, he ran a deep debt. Commerce isn't about feelings. That's what your mom or pastor or lover is for. You want government to be our mom, we get it, but Walmart isn't a monopoly by a foreign country. Americans vote freely with their pocketbooks, something liberals apparently hate. They would rather government controls our income and gives its' dependants their allowance, if they are good little boys and girls. That's what motivated our founding, it was a fuck you to big government over reach. Freedom from oppression and tyranny, the hallmarks of the left.

 

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Social Darwinism is WHOLLY owned by the right...

The Tea Parties Bring Back Social Darwinism
The right-wing populism manifested in the movement is essentially the same old Social Darwinism that appeared in U.S. society in the nineteenth century.

Sumner believed that the fundamental law of the universe was survival of the fittest. So progressivism or socialism or any ideology that aimed to “save individuals from any of the difficulties or hardships of the struggle for existence” was pure folly. Like today’s right-wing populist revolt, Sumner’s brand of Social Darwinism propagated an unabashed but seamless defense of two groups that would seem to be at odds: the Captain of Industry and the Forgotten Man.

For Sumner, both of these figurative “men” had more to fear from the paternal state than they did from each other. Take the Captain of Industry. For Sumner, society depended on the creation of individual wealth; thus, social advancement for all depended on the financial abilities of the few. “If we should set a limit to the accumulation of wealth,” he wrote, “we should say to our most valued producers, ‘We do not want you to do us the services which you best understand how to perform, beyond a certain point.’ It would be like killing off our generals in a war.”

Is social darwinism the new catch phrase by socialists to smear capitalism? Our country was founded by capitalists, with a capitalist economic system and we've done pretty good with it. More than a few have prospered.

What I don't understand about liberals is why they cry about the unfairness of capitalism, how oppressive it is and all that, BUT people from foreign lands, taking big risks and dying to get here, can and often do very well. Some barely speak the language but they know opportunity when the see it and take advantage of it.

Why don't you liberals place your failures where they belong? On yourselves.

Our country was founded by men who vehemently opposed oppression, by a King AND equally by huge multinational corporations. The Boston Tea Party was a protest against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the BEIC pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America.

Our founding fathers heavily regulated early corporations and shut down any corporation who did not serve the public good.


The selfish spirit of commerce knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.
Thomas Jefferson - Letter to Larkin Smith (1809)

Only an idiot would claim a similarity between Walmart and the British East India Company. The later had a government granted monopoly. At the Boston Tea Party the conolonist were not revolting against a cut in British taxes on tea. They were protesting the Kings decision to impose an increase in the tax on Tea. It's a perfect example of exactly the kind of government favoritism that liberals love.

Aside from displaying your total ignorance of history, your post was informative.

You are totally wrong. They were protesting law passed that exempted BEIC from tea taxes, allowing it to wipe out New England-based tea wholesalers and mom-and-pop stores and take over the tea business in all of America. If the colonists were only concerned with what they as individuals would pay for tea, there would have been no tea party.