Update: The Illegal Alien Vote

[PoliticalChic]

1. I accept that tortuous apology

2. I provided the conclusions of experts as to the underground population of illegal aliens.
As I pointed out, a small percent of that number easily accounts for the popular vote victory that Bill's wife claims.

3. I'm never wrong. I once thought I was wrong, turns out, I was mistaken.

The experts like the Department of Homeland Security? They say 11.5 million.

[The count of immigrants in the country illegally is an estimate, but several estimates put it in the same ballpark — and it's the 11 million ballpark, nowhere near 30 million. The Pew Research Center puts it at 11.3 million (a number that has held relatively steady for years, by its estimate, and is down by nearly 1 million from a recent peak in 2007). As of January 2012, the Department of Homeland Security put the count at 11.4 million. Trump has in fact made the 30 million claim before, and PolitiFact shot him down, labeling it "pants on fire," finding other independent estimates that were in the 11 to 12 million range. — Danielle Kurtzleben]

Fact Check: Donald Trump's Speech On Immigration

And Politifact rated it

Donald Trump wrongly says the number of illegal immigrants is 30 million or higher

You really can't be this stupid.....can you ???

11 million in 2003.....millions more every year....

....and the number is still 11 million.



Amazing how indelible your indoctrination is.
That level of misunderstanding is like believing that purchasing an airline ticket makes one able to flap their arms and fly.



On top of it, the 'expert' you quote is a Liberal stenographer:
PolitiFact.com is a project operated by the Tampa Bay Times, in which reporters and editors from the Times and affiliated media outlets "fact-check statements by members of Congress, the White House, lobbyists and interest groups".PolitiFact.com - Wikipedia


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"The Tampa Bay Times, which produces the PolitFact Truth-o-Meter, has not endorsed a single Republican candidate this century for any of the three most important positions on the Florida election ballot. Accordingly, the Times scores a “Pants on Fire” for its lack of objectivity, according to an extensive analysis by Media Trackers Florida.

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PolitiFact’s liberal bias, yet again (Arizona law; Climategate)
PolitiFact's liberal bias, yet again (Arizona law; Climategate)




Pleeeezzzzz get your head out of wherever you left it.

As of January 2012, the Department of Homeland Security put the count at 11.4 million.

Drumph was "pants on fire" for saying 30 million. You went well beyond that. You're lying more than "pants on fire". NASA is going to start tracking you as contributing to climate change.

I sense that you are beginning to realize how stupid you appear.

[Pew projected this population reached at least 11 million as of March 2005. Unauthorized immigrant population stable for half a decade]

For a decade now, no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Pew, the most-quoted source, has used the figure since 2005. Some Homeland Security references approximating that number go back to 2003."
How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?




11 million in 2003....
...still 11 million?????

You're feelin' pretty dumb right about now, huh?

Nope. I'm feeling supported by facts, unlike you.

As of January 2012, the Department of Homeland Security put the count at 11.4 million.

You lied more than Drumph and he was "pants on fire". Lying more than Drumph is quite an accomplishment. You shouldn't be proud though.

I sure don't mind you revealing that you're a dunce.

Let's view......according to you, there were some 11 million illegal aliens ensconced in this country at least as far back as 2003.

Millions more sneak in every year.....


But.....according to your claim....14 years later, the number comes to 11.4 million.


Excellent!!!



The only possible conclusion is
a. You are an imbecile
or
b. you suffer from cowardice and an abject fear of not toeing the Liberal line.

Maybe both.

 

[charwin95]

No your not winning anything from your lies.
1. Read what you just posted. You are talking about legal American citizen which is not part of this crapola.
We are taking about DMV illegals registrations which has nothing to do what you are talking about.
2. So what are you trying to say?

1. "No your (sic) not winning anything from your lies."
Of course I am....that's what brings you slithering up out of the sewer.


2. "You are talking about legal American citizen which is not part of this crapola (sic)."
No, as the quote says...'undocumented immigrants,' ...i.e., illegal aliens.
Now stop lying.
They go to the DMV for a bogus Democrat-driver's license and "they will be registered" to vote/

3. "So what are you trying to say?"
You should seek medical advice about that short term memory loss....but, can help:


Here's what I'm trying to say:

1. For Democrats, their power is more important than the health and safety of this nation.

2. Toward that end, Democrats are willing to remove border security, steal from the taxpayer fisc, and turn a blind eye to criminality.


3. Pretending to honor the American birthright, the election of our leaders, Democrats make bogus 'identification' available to so as to allow illegal aliens, who they support via stealing said taxpaid finances, voting privileges.


4. As there are upwards of 50 million illegal aliens residing here, due to Democrat negligence, even a small portion of same following Obama's instructions, and illegally voting, account for what Democrats claim is a popular vote victory.


5. Dunces like you tacitly admit that Democrat controlled states and voting precincts allow this illegal voting, in refusing to guess how many places that provide bogus 'identification provided a margin of victory to the Democrat candidate.


6. As polls prove that Democrats admit that that want illegal aliens to vote, lying sacks of offal...i.e., you,....pretend that this is not the case.


Clear enough?



Oh....and you should work on your spelling and grammar.
M'kay?

What you're "saying" is all untrue. So, what you're saying is you're a liar.

I never lie.

That's why you're here: by revealing the scam, the Democrat plans to infect and direct our elections with masses of mercenaries from beyond our border, I've wounded you and every supporter of the scheme.


You are either
1. a true believer in taking over our country

or

2. are incensed at what the thread reveals, as it destroys your worldview.



In either case.....
.....excellent.

You are lying when you say you never lie.

Easily disproved "misstatement" of yours...that there are "50 million illegals" living in the US. Patently false.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S.

First and foremost.... I never lie.

Second, your error: I didn't say it....experts did.


But....let's review the numbers for you:

1. First and foremost is this: Liberals have been well trained never to question the uttering's of their elites, no matter how obvious the fallacious and transparent the fabrications.
If it is day and Liberal establishment says it is night, they have been disciplined to nod and agree the fabrication.

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.

"... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?


....the indoctrinated reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma.


2. Determining the number of illegals is significant. Democrats will want to pretend that it is the lowest estimate....
If there are 12 million or so illegals living here, well...then it's easier to deny that they represent Bill's wife's supposed victory in the popular vote.
But.....if it's a far greater number.......

And it is.


Watch this:

3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes

"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.

When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research




Increased the totals by 13%!!!
Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:

Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.

And that isn't counting family members brought in under the law.

But....ask a lying Liberal....and the number is still 11 million.



4. So....is it still 11 million?.....or is the number of illegal aliens to over 40 million?



5. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.

"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.

He concludes that:

My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.


Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!

Gettin' nervous?


6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.

The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.

What percentage of that number would have to vote for Bill's wife's total number to be greater than that of Americans who voted for Trump?
4%.....5%........Looks like a sure thing, doesn't it: Donald Trump won both the electoral college and the popular vote if we discount illegal alien votes.



True?

So.....There may be as many as 60 to 80 million illegal aliens occupying territory in this country.

7. And they vote.

What percentage of that number would have to vote for Bill's wife's total number to be greater than that of Americans who voted for Trump?
4%.....5%........Looks like a sure thing, doesn't it: Donald Trump won both the electoral college and the popular vote if we discount illegal alien votes.


Have we seen that sort of voting by illegals before?
...remember the Old Dominion study?

"Richman was the co-author of a 2014 study that looked at noncitizen voting in the 2008 and 2010 elections. In the comparable presidential election year, the Old Dominion study determined 6.4 percent of noncitizens in the United States voted in the 2008 presidential election, and about 81 percent of those voters backed Democrat Barack Obama."
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...tizens-Vote-in-US-Elections-Richman-et-al.pdf
We've got about a half to three quarters of a million illegal votes accounted for.




But....if 6.4 percent of noncitizens in the United States voted last time
....and now

a. their icon, Obama, told them to vote and not be concerned that there would be any penalty ()

and...

b. the central issue in Trump's campaign was throwing them out of the nation that they invaded....


....ya' think maybe more than six and a half percent went to the polls???
Maybe..... 13.2%....or 17.6%.....or more of 'em voted??????


You bet they did.



Destroyed your post, huh?

Excellent.

The problem with your post is you keep using CAIRCO as your bible. NO it's not acceptable because these are anti immigration using all
kinds of numbers and options to fit your belief like Gateway pundit fake news.
So no matter how you tried your whole post is worthless. At the end you are a liar.

Obviously you are a white women thinking like a whites women that you can just walk in to a polling and place your vote and probably no one will question you.
Why would an illegal do that? They came here for better future and only one chance and one time to improve their lives and the family. They are already scared and if possible don't want any exposures.
Are they going to risk that for just one lousy vote? HELL NO. Why in the world they will do that? What benefit do they gain? What happen if they get caught? The rest of the family and the future will be gone.

I understand you have a thick skull but I'm really sorry for you not thinking common sense.

 

[charwin95]

Gee.....every time I mention that millions of the votes for Bill's wife were cast by illegal aliens following Obama's telling them to vote, the Left's acolytes become enraged.

The fact is, a defining characteristic of the indoctrinated is to reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma of the day.
Case in point: only when illegal alien votes are 'counted' did Bill's wife get more votes than Donald Trump.
Yup: the Left's policies were rejected.....by Americans.


When I noted that, one of the usual suspects wrote this:
"How many illegal votes.....I say that you made that crap up...."
The Left's Assault on America Writ Large.


Well, even the least among us deserve an education....so, here it is:


1. First and foremost is this: Liberals have been well trained never to question the uttering's of their elites, no matter how obvious the fallacious and transparent the fabrications.
If it is day and Liberal establishment says it is night, they have been disciplined to nod and agree the fabrication.

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.

"... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?


....the indoctrinated reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma.





2. Of course, for Democrats/Liberals, illegal immigrants, or at least the votes they cast, is their life's blood! Damage to our culture, or economy, our safety, our worker's prosperity is second to the increase in power to the Democrats.

"A Rasmussen Reports poll earlier this year found that 53% of the Democratic Party supports letting illegals vote, even though it's against the law. It's pretty clear why."
http://www.investors.com/politics/e...llions-of-illegals-probably-did-vote-in-2016/



There are far more than 11 million Illegal immigrants residing in our nation.....and they cast millions of votes for the Left's candidate.

Proof....coming right up.

Never forget that California has LITERALLY institutionalized voter fraud by illegal aliens. Illegals are encouraged to vote and protected from prosecution by the scofflaw state.

{This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.}

Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

California openly and actively encourages illegal aliens to vote, and automatically registers them to do so while assuring them that not recourse will be sought against illegal voting.

Millions of illegals vote in California every election, with the blessing and protection of the democrats running the state.

The scam is evident and transparent, contrary to the permutations of 'Is not, isssss nooootttttttt!!!' posts by the Left's apparatchiks.


They know it, they hate it being revealed, and that's why this thread has gone on so long.


You can practically here them mumbling 'must-defend-party......'

California is OPENLY subverting the American election system. Forget Russia, what California has done to corrupt federal elections completely dwarfs even the most serious allegations made against the Russians. And unlike those, I have proof - in actual California statute, that they are openly subverting the election process.

Both of you are LIARS.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "No your (sic) not winning anything from your lies."
Of course I am....that's what brings you slithering up out of the sewer.


2. "You are talking about legal American citizen which is not part of this crapola (sic)."
No, as the quote says...'undocumented immigrants,' ...i.e., illegal aliens.
Now stop lying.
They go to the DMV for a bogus Democrat-driver's license and "they will be registered" to vote/

3. "So what are you trying to say?"
You should seek medical advice about that short term memory loss....but, can help:


Here's what I'm trying to say:

1. For Democrats, their power is more important than the health and safety of this nation.

2. Toward that end, Democrats are willing to remove border security, steal from the taxpayer fisc, and turn a blind eye to criminality.


3. Pretending to honor the American birthright, the election of our leaders, Democrats make bogus 'identification' available to so as to allow illegal aliens, who they support via stealing said taxpaid finances, voting privileges.


4. As there are upwards of 50 million illegal aliens residing here, due to Democrat negligence, even a small portion of same following Obama's instructions, and illegally voting, account for what Democrats claim is a popular vote victory.


5. Dunces like you tacitly admit that Democrat controlled states and voting precincts allow this illegal voting, in refusing to guess how many places that provide bogus 'identification provided a margin of victory to the Democrat candidate.


6. As polls prove that Democrats admit that that want illegal aliens to vote, lying sacks of offal...i.e., you,....pretend that this is not the case.


Clear enough?



Oh....and you should work on your spelling and grammar.
M'kay?

What you're "saying" is all untrue. So, what you're saying is you're a liar.

I never lie.

That's why you're here: by revealing the scam, the Democrat plans to infect and direct our elections with masses of mercenaries from beyond our border, I've wounded you and every supporter of the scheme.


You are either
1. a true believer in taking over our country

or

2. are incensed at what the thread reveals, as it destroys your worldview.



In either case.....
.....excellent.

You are lying when you say you never lie.

Easily disproved "misstatement" of yours...that there are "50 million illegals" living in the US. Patently false.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S.

First and foremost.... I never lie.

Second, your error: I didn't say it....experts did.


But....let's review the numbers for you:

1. First and foremost is this: Liberals have been well trained never to question the uttering's of their elites, no matter how obvious the fallacious and transparent the fabrications.
If it is day and Liberal establishment says it is night, they have been disciplined to nod and agree the fabrication.

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.

"... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?


....the indoctrinated reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma.


2. Determining the number of illegals is significant. Democrats will want to pretend that it is the lowest estimate....
If there are 12 million or so illegals living here, well...then it's easier to deny that they represent Bill's wife's supposed victory in the popular vote.
But.....if it's a far greater number.......

And it is.


Watch this:

3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes

"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.

When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research




Increased the totals by 13%!!!
Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:

Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.

And that isn't counting family members brought in under the law.

But....ask a lying Liberal....and the number is still 11 million.



4. So....is it still 11 million?.....or is the number of illegal aliens to over 40 million?



5. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.

"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.

He concludes that:

My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.


Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!

Gettin' nervous?


6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.

The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.

What percentage of that number would have to vote for Bill's wife's total number to be greater than that of Americans who voted for Trump?
4%.....5%........Looks like a sure thing, doesn't it: Donald Trump won both the electoral college and the popular vote if we discount illegal alien votes.



True?

So.....There may be as many as 60 to 80 million illegal aliens occupying territory in this country.

7. And they vote.

What percentage of that number would have to vote for Bill's wife's total number to be greater than that of Americans who voted for Trump?
4%.....5%........Looks like a sure thing, doesn't it: Donald Trump won both the electoral college and the popular vote if we discount illegal alien votes.


Have we seen that sort of voting by illegals before?
...remember the Old Dominion study?

"Richman was the co-author of a 2014 study that looked at noncitizen voting in the 2008 and 2010 elections. In the comparable presidential election year, the Old Dominion study determined 6.4 percent of noncitizens in the United States voted in the 2008 presidential election, and about 81 percent of those voters backed Democrat Barack Obama."
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...tizens-Vote-in-US-Elections-Richman-et-al.pdf
We've got about a half to three quarters of a million illegal votes accounted for.




But....if 6.4 percent of noncitizens in the United States voted last time
....and now

a. their icon, Obama, told them to vote and not be concerned that there would be any penalty ()

and...

b. the central issue in Trump's campaign was throwing them out of the nation that they invaded....


....ya' think maybe more than six and a half percent went to the polls???
Maybe..... 13.2%....or 17.6%.....or more of 'em voted??????


You bet they did.



Destroyed your post, huh?

Excellent.

The problem with your post is you keep using CAIRCO as your bible. NO it's not acceptable because these are anti immigration using all
kinds of numbers and options to fit your belief like Gateway pundit fake news.
So no matter how you tried your whole post is worthless. At the end you are a liar.

Obviously you are a white women thinking like a whites women that you can just walk in to a polling and place your vote and probably no one will question you.
Why would an illegal do that? They came here for better future and only one chance and one time to improve their lives and the family. They are already scared and if possible don't want any exposures.
Are they going to risk that for just one lousy vote? HELL NO. Why in the world they will do that? What benefit do they gain? What happen if they get caught? The rest of the family and the future will be gone.

I understand you have a thick skull but I'm really sorry for you not thinking common sense.

"NO it's not acceptable because these are anti immigration using all blah blah blah..."


I've noticed that when you losers can't dispute the facts, you declaim the source.

Liberals: trained to resist truth and/or education.




Hey....didn't you want to claim that those linked quotes I provided were 'lies...all lies!!!'

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gee.....every time I mention that millions of the votes for Bill's wife were cast by illegal aliens following Obama's telling them to vote, the Left's acolytes become enraged.

The fact is, a defining characteristic of the indoctrinated is to reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma of the day.
Case in point: only when illegal alien votes are 'counted' did Bill's wife get more votes than Donald Trump.
Yup: the Left's policies were rejected.....by Americans.


When I noted that, one of the usual suspects wrote this:
"How many illegal votes.....I say that you made that crap up...."
The Left's Assault on America Writ Large.


Well, even the least among us deserve an education....so, here it is:


1. First and foremost is this: Liberals have been well trained never to question the uttering's of their elites, no matter how obvious the fallacious and transparent the fabrications.
If it is day and Liberal establishment says it is night, they have been disciplined to nod and agree the fabrication.

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.

"... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?


....the indoctrinated reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma.





2. Of course, for Democrats/Liberals, illegal immigrants, or at least the votes they cast, is their life's blood! Damage to our culture, or economy, our safety, our worker's prosperity is second to the increase in power to the Democrats.

"A Rasmussen Reports poll earlier this year found that 53% of the Democratic Party supports letting illegals vote, even though it's against the law. It's pretty clear why."
http://www.investors.com/politics/e...llions-of-illegals-probably-did-vote-in-2016/



There are far more than 11 million Illegal immigrants residing in our nation.....and they cast millions of votes for the Left's candidate.

Proof....coming right up.

Never forget that California has LITERALLY institutionalized voter fraud by illegal aliens. Illegals are encouraged to vote and protected from prosecution by the scofflaw state.

{This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.}

Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

California openly and actively encourages illegal aliens to vote, and automatically registers them to do so while assuring them that not recourse will be sought against illegal voting.

Millions of illegals vote in California every election, with the blessing and protection of the democrats running the state.

The scam is evident and transparent, contrary to the permutations of 'Is not, isssss nooootttttttt!!!' posts by the Left's apparatchiks.


They know it, they hate it being revealed, and that's why this thread has gone on so long.


You can practically here them mumbling 'must-defend-party......'

California is OPENLY subverting the American election system. Forget Russia, what California has done to corrupt federal elections completely dwarfs even the most serious allegations made against the Russians. And unlike those, I have proof - in actual California statute, that they are openly subverting the election process.

Both of you are LIARS.

I sense a palpable fear on your part......the overwhelming weight of truth is getting to you, huh?


At least 50 million illegal aliens invited in and sustained by Democrats stealing funds from the taxpayer fisc....
...and if even a tenth of 'em voted, as Obama told them to, well.....there goes Hillary's claim to a popular vote victory.

 

[charwin95]

Regardless, the democrat controlled Mecca of leftism that is California openly promotes voting by illegals and protects those who vote illegally from prosecution. The fascist state is deliberately corrupting the American electoral system.

That chic claimed Obama told illegals they could vote,

That couldn't be firther from the truth.

RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.

OBAMA: … who may not have a voice. Who can’t legally vote. But they’re counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.

Nobody, including california, is either encouraging or allowing illegals to vote.

Regardless, California openly engages in federal election fraud every election cycle by openly registering illegal aliens and other non-citizens and protecting them from prosecution by providing official state sanction to their voting.

Fascists bristled that Trump pointed out the fact that California had 3 million illegal alien votes. If Trump was wrong it was due to being fat too conservative in the number. The last honest election in California was 2004.

The democrats are brazen in their open corruption, Sessions needs to start arresting the scum in California, while we still have a nation left.

You don't have a single ioata of your bull shit that 3 millions illegals voted.

 

[charwin95]

[


".....with the blessing and protection of the democrats running the state."

And the promises of the snake, their President, that no one would come after them for voting.

Jerry Brown should be arrested by US Marshall's for federal election tampering and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Can't we corral Obama first???

After all...he told the illegals that he invited it, to vote.

Obama never invited illegals to vote, In fact, when he talked to Gina what's her name, from jane the virgin. Obama specifically said that illegals couldn't vote. I saw the video and read the transcript.

"Obama never invited illegals to vote,..'
Of course he did, you liar.






1. The first line from the lovely young lady states the premise: Illegals are citizens, she says, because she claims they contribute to the country.
a. they don't
b. Obama sits there in total agreement.



2. Then, she asks if they will be deported if they (illegally) vote....and Obama says "not true."



@ 1:40 Obama makes this outrageous claim:


"When you vote, you are a citizen yourself."



3. Obama.....being questioned about illegal voting.......encouraging illegals to vote....saying 'don't worry...no one will catch your.'


Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'


'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'






4. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."


The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'



5. There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.



Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.


Are you?


Barack Obama disrespect for the laws of our country, and for the Constitution.

FALSE: Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote


This came from Snopes what really happened during that interview.

I hope you and your boyfriend will shut fuck up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

[


".....with the blessing and protection of the democrats running the state."

And the promises of the snake, their President, that no one would come after them for voting.

Jerry Brown should be arrested by US Marshall's for federal election tampering and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Can't we corral Obama first???

After all...he told the illegals that he invited it, to vote.

Obama never invited illegals to vote, In fact, when he talked to Gina what's her name, from jane the virgin. Obama specifically said that illegals couldn't vote. I saw the video and read the transcript.

"Obama never invited illegals to vote,..'
Of course he did, you liar.






1. The first line from the lovely young lady states the premise: Illegals are citizens, she says, because she claims they contribute to the country.
a. they don't
b. Obama sits there in total agreement.



2. Then, she asks if they will be deported if they (illegally) vote....and Obama says "not true."



@ 1:40 Obama makes this outrageous claim:


"When you vote, you are a citizen yourself."



3. Obama.....being questioned about illegal voting.......encouraging illegals to vote....saying 'don't worry...no one will catch your.'


Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'


'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'






4. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."


The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'



5. There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.



Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.


Are you?


Barack Obama disrespect for the laws of our country, and for the Constitution.

FALSE: Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote


This came from Snopes what really happened during that interview.

I hope you and your boyfriend will shut fuck up.

1. Snopes is a Liberal mouthpiece.

2.Can you be so stupid that you don't believe your own eyes and ears???





1. The first line from the lovely young lady states the premise: Illegals are citizens, she says, because she claims they contribute to the country.
a. they don't
b. Obama sits there in total agreement.



2. Then, she asks if they will be deported if they (illegally) vote....and Obama says "not true."



@ 1:40 Obama makes this outrageous claim:


"When you vote, you are a citizen yourself."



3. Obama.....being questioned about illegal voting.......encouraging illegals to vote....saying 'don't worry...no one will catch your.'


Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'


'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'






4. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."


The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'



5. There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.



Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.


Are you?







Barack Obama disrespect for the laws of our country, and for the Constitution.

 

[charwin95]

The state does not allow illegals to register. That should be evident to you by your inability to prove they do.

The california system is similar to the 'no fly list'. You can't ask for a list of illegal aliens with california licenses, but if you ask for the status of a particular license holder, it immediately flags them out as having a non-federally approved license.

Are you just pretending to be a fool, or one in actuality?

'Fess up!!!

No fly lists are patrolled by those who see a danger to America if they don't do their job.

Democrats who patrol voting precincts know exactly what they're expected to do: get illegal aliens into the voting booths.....
....exactly as the snake, Obama, told them to.



Let's check with some of the poll watchers:

Posting this kind of garbage proves your posts are pure garbage. A good example of a Deplorable American.

 

[PoliticalChic]

[


".....with the blessing and protection of the democrats running the state."

And the promises of the snake, their President, that no one would come after them for voting.

Jerry Brown should be arrested by US Marshall's for federal election tampering and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Can't we corral Obama first???

After all...he told the illegals that he invited it, to vote.

Obama never invited illegals to vote, In fact, when he talked to Gina what's her name, from jane the virgin. Obama specifically said that illegals couldn't vote. I saw the video and read the transcript.

"Obama never invited illegals to vote,..'
Of course he did, you liar.






1. The first line from the lovely young lady states the premise: Illegals are citizens, she says, because she claims they contribute to the country.
a. they don't
b. Obama sits there in total agreement.



2. Then, she asks if they will be deported if they (illegally) vote....and Obama says "not true."



@ 1:40 Obama makes this outrageous claim:


"When you vote, you are a citizen yourself."



3. Obama.....being questioned about illegal voting.......encouraging illegals to vote....saying 'don't worry...no one will catch your.'


Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'


'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'






4. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."


The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'



5. There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.



Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.


Are you?


Barack Obama disrespect for the laws of our country, and for the Constitution.

FALSE: Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote


This came from Snopes what really happened during that interview.

I hope you and your boyfriend will shut fuck up.

"... shut f**k up."


Only Liberals demand silence of the other side.

With vulgarity included as an outlet for your anger.

Why such a fear of the truth?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The state does not allow illegals to register. That should be evident to you by your inability to prove they do.

The california system is similar to the 'no fly list'. You can't ask for a list of illegal aliens with california licenses, but if you ask for the status of a particular license holder, it immediately flags them out as having a non-federally approved license.

Are you just pretending to be a fool, or one in actuality?

'Fess up!!!

No fly lists are patrolled by those who see a danger to America if they don't do their job.

Democrats who patrol voting precincts know exactly what they're expected to do: get illegal aliens into the voting booths.....
....exactly as the snake, Obama, told them to.



Let's check with some of the poll watchers:

Posting this kind of garbage proves your posts are pure garbage. A good example of a Deplorable American.

You imagine that you can silence me?

You're really hanging on by your fingernails, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you notice that that video was the snake, Obama's exact words to illegal aliens?

Exact.

No cutting, nothing left out or inserted.

Simply Obama making the argument that illegals should go out and vote.

 

[charwin95]

Ok, then highlight the words, "illegal aliens" in that L.A. Times article you lie about where you falsely claim it states illegal aliens will be registered to vote....

Watch me ram your words down your throat:

1. "If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.

But it's a little more complicated than that.

Unless voters also stop to answer questions at a computer terminal in another room, they will be registered as having no party preference. Voter advocates say this two-step process could disenfranchise thousands of voters, especially those who still want to vote in the Republican Party's closed presidential primary."
Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



2. "More than half of California drivers' licenses went to undocumented immigrants, NumbersUSA says"
More than half of California drivers' licenses went to undocumented immigrants, NumbersUSA says




I win again, huh?

No your not winning anything from your lies.
1. Read what you just posted. You are talking about legal American citizen which is not part of this crapola.
We are taking about DMV illegals registrations which has nothing to do what you are talking about.
2. So what are you trying to say?

1. "No your (sic) not winning anything from your lies."
Of course I am....that's what brings you slithering up out of the sewer.


2. "You are talking about legal American citizen which is not part of this crapola (sic)."
No, as the quote says...'undocumented immigrants,' ...i.e., illegal aliens.
Now stop lying.
They go to the DMV for a bogus Democrat-driver's license and "they will be registered" to vote/

3. "So what are you trying to say?"
You should seek medical advice about that short term memory loss....but, can help:


Here's what I'm trying to say:

1. For Democrats, their power is more important than the health and safety of this nation.

2. Toward that end, Democrats are willing to remove border security, steal from the taxpayer fisc, and turn a blind eye to criminality.


3. Pretending to honor the American birthright, the election of our leaders, Democrats make bogus 'identification' available to so as to allow illegal aliens, who they support via stealing said taxpaid finances, voting privileges.


4. As there are upwards of 50 million illegal aliens residing here, due to Democrat negligence, even a small portion of same following Obama's instructions, and illegally voting, account for what Democrats claim is a popular vote victory.


5. Dunces like you tacitly admit that Democrat controlled states and voting precincts allow this illegal voting, in refusing to guess how many places that provide bogus 'identification provided a margin of victory to the Democrat candidate.


6. As polls prove that Democrats admit that that want illegal aliens to vote, lying sacks of offal...i.e., you,....pretend that this is not the case.


Clear enough?



Oh....and you should work on your spelling and grammar.
M'kay?

You went around and around at the end you are still a liar.
Do you expect me to read any of that coming from a liar? Wipe that foaming off your mouth.

I love it!


I provide dispositive links, proving....once again, that you're a loser....and your counter is:
"Do you expect me to read any of that..."

Of course you read it....you're a liar!
And....you had no ability to dispute any of it.


Soooo.....I win, and you remain a loser.

A racist asshole like don't you don't deserve to win anything but your white robs. You are the lowest of the lowest kind of Americans a LOSER.
Racist like you are the reason Trump won the election and you are so proud of it.

 

[charwin95]

No your not winning anything from your lies.
1. Read what you just posted. You are talking about legal American citizen which is not part of this crapola.
We are taking about DMV illegals registrations which has nothing to do what you are talking about.
2. So what are you trying to say?

1. "No your (sic) not winning anything from your lies."
Of course I am....that's what brings you slithering up out of the sewer.


2. "You are talking about legal American citizen which is not part of this crapola (sic)."
No, as the quote says...'undocumented immigrants,' ...i.e., illegal aliens.
Now stop lying.
They go to the DMV for a bogus Democrat-driver's license and "they will be registered" to vote/

3. "So what are you trying to say?"
You should seek medical advice about that short term memory loss....but, can help:


Here's what I'm trying to say:

1. For Democrats, their power is more important than the health and safety of this nation.

2. Toward that end, Democrats are willing to remove border security, steal from the taxpayer fisc, and turn a blind eye to criminality.


3. Pretending to honor the American birthright, the election of our leaders, Democrats make bogus 'identification' available to so as to allow illegal aliens, who they support via stealing said taxpaid finances, voting privileges.


4. As there are upwards of 50 million illegal aliens residing here, due to Democrat negligence, even a small portion of same following Obama's instructions, and illegally voting, account for what Democrats claim is a popular vote victory.


5. Dunces like you tacitly admit that Democrat controlled states and voting precincts allow this illegal voting, in refusing to guess how many places that provide bogus 'identification provided a margin of victory to the Democrat candidate.


6. As polls prove that Democrats admit that that want illegal aliens to vote, lying sacks of offal...i.e., you,....pretend that this is not the case.


Clear enough?



Oh....and you should work on your spelling and grammar.
M'kay?

What you're "saying" is all untrue. So, what you're saying is you're a liar.

I never lie.

That's why you're here: by revealing the scam, the Democrat plans to infect and direct our elections with masses of mercenaries from beyond our border, I've wounded you and every supporter of the scheme.


You are either
1. a true believer in taking over our country

or

2. are incensed at what the thread reveals, as it destroys your worldview.



In either case.....
.....excellent.

Yes you are my dear. Most of your post are lies.

How could they be lies since everything is linked and sourced.....like this:

1. "If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two
Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


2. "With the law about to hit the two-year mark, the California Department of Motor Vehicles announced that 806,000 illegal aliens have been granted driver licenses, according to the Bay Area’s Mercury News. 14,000 of those licenses were issued in November of this year.

In 2017, new motor voter law AB 1461 will go into effect, automatically registering most licensed California drivers to vote. As the Mercury News points out, concerns have been raised about the crossover of AB60 illegal alien licensees being illegally registered to vote as a result. Some lawmakers have claimed there are safeguards against such a case."
California Licenses 800K Illegal Aliens as Motor Voter Law Looms - Breitbart


3. DMV licensed 800,000 undocumented immigrants under 2-year-old law
California driver licenses given to 800,000 undocumented immigrants



4. In program’s first year, nearly half of California’s driver’s licenses went to undocumented

In program’s first year, nearly half of California’s driver’s licenses went to undocumented – Orange County Register



5. "More than half of California drivers' licenses went to undocumented immigrants, NumbersUSA says"
More than half of California drivers' licenses went to undocumented immigrants, NumbersUSA says



All lies, huh?

You moron.

Yes you are still LYING over and over.
Do you really expect me to read your lies?

 

[charwin95]

The experts like the Department of Homeland Security? They say 11.5 million.

[The count of immigrants in the country illegally is an estimate, but several estimates put it in the same ballpark — and it's the 11 million ballpark, nowhere near 30 million. The Pew Research Center puts it at 11.3 million (a number that has held relatively steady for years, by its estimate, and is down by nearly 1 million from a recent peak in 2007). As of January 2012, the Department of Homeland Security put the count at 11.4 million. Trump has in fact made the 30 million claim before, and PolitiFact shot him down, labeling it "pants on fire," finding other independent estimates that were in the 11 to 12 million range. — Danielle Kurtzleben]

Fact Check: Donald Trump's Speech On Immigration

And Politifact rated it

Donald Trump wrongly says the number of illegal immigrants is 30 million or higher

You really can't be this stupid.....can you ???

11 million in 2003.....millions more every year....

....and the number is still 11 million.



Amazing how indelible your indoctrination is.
That level of misunderstanding is like believing that purchasing an airline ticket makes one able to flap their arms and fly.



On top of it, the 'expert' you quote is a Liberal stenographer:
PolitiFact.com is a project operated by the Tampa Bay Times, in which reporters and editors from the Times and affiliated media outlets "fact-check statements by members of Congress, the White House, lobbyists and interest groups".PolitiFact.com - Wikipedia


The St. PetersburgTampa Bay Times, which started PolitiFact in conjunction with the Congressional Quarterly, is a traditionally liberal paper. We note that PolitiFact's stories appear to damage Republicans far more often than Democrats despite the fact that PF tends to choose about as many stories dealing with Republicans as for Democrats. If the selection process was blind then either proportions should be approximately even or else the party with worse ratings should receive more ratings overall according to what PolitiFact lists as its selection criteria. Plus our independent research helps confirm the hypothesis. PolitiFact Bias: About PolitiFact Bias/FAQ


"The Tampa Bay Times, which produces the PolitFact Truth-o-Meter, has not endorsed a single Republican candidate this century for any of the three most important positions on the Florida election ballot. Accordingly, the Times scores a “Pants on Fire” for its lack of objectivity, according to an extensive analysis by Media Trackers Florida.

Since 2000, the Times has issued 10 endorsements in elections for U.S. President, U.S. Senate, and Florida Governor. Nine of the 10 endorsements went to Democrats, with the sole exception being theTimes’ endorsement of Democrat-leaning Independent Charlie Crist in the 2010 U.S. Senate contest." PolitiFact Parent Tampa Bay Times Scores ‘Pants on Fire’ for Partisan Bias - Media Trackers



PolitiFact’s liberal bias, yet again (Arizona law; Climategate)
PolitiFact's liberal bias, yet again (Arizona law; Climategate)




Pleeeezzzzz get your head out of wherever you left it.

As of January 2012, the Department of Homeland Security put the count at 11.4 million.

Drumph was "pants on fire" for saying 30 million. You went well beyond that. You're lying more than "pants on fire". NASA is going to start tracking you as contributing to climate change.

I sense that you are beginning to realize how stupid you appear.

[Pew projected this population reached at least 11 million as of March 2005. Unauthorized immigrant population stable for half a decade]

For a decade now, no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Pew, the most-quoted source, has used the figure since 2005. Some Homeland Security references approximating that number go back to 2003."
How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?




11 million in 2003....
...still 11 million?????

You're feelin' pretty dumb right about now, huh?

Nope. I'm feeling supported by facts, unlike you.

As of January 2012, the Department of Homeland Security put the count at 11.4 million.

You lied more than Drumph and he was "pants on fire". Lying more than Drumph is quite an accomplishment. You shouldn't be proud though.

I sure don't mind you revealing that you're a dunce.

Let's view......according to you, there were some 11 million illegal aliens ensconced in this country at least as far back as 2003.

Millions more sneak in every year.....


But.....according to your claim....14 years later, the number comes to 11.4 million.


Excellent!!!



The only possible conclusion is
a. You are an imbecile
or
b. you suffer from cowardice and an abject fear of not toeing the Liberal line.

Maybe both.

An estimate coming from a racist like you. Is that supposed to be credible or worthless?

 

[charwin95]

What you're "saying" is all untrue. So, what you're saying is you're a liar.

I never lie.

That's why you're here: by revealing the scam, the Democrat plans to infect and direct our elections with masses of mercenaries from beyond our border, I've wounded you and every supporter of the scheme.


You are either
1. a true believer in taking over our country

or

2. are incensed at what the thread reveals, as it destroys your worldview.



In either case.....
.....excellent.

You are lying when you say you never lie.

Easily disproved "misstatement" of yours...that there are "50 million illegals" living in the US. Patently false.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S.

First and foremost.... I never lie.

Second, your error: I didn't say it....experts did.


But....let's review the numbers for you:

1. First and foremost is this: Liberals have been well trained never to question the uttering's of their elites, no matter how obvious the fallacious and transparent the fabrications.
If it is day and Liberal establishment says it is night, they have been disciplined to nod and agree the fabrication.

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.

"... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?


....the indoctrinated reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma.


2. Determining the number of illegals is significant. Democrats will want to pretend that it is the lowest estimate....
If there are 12 million or so illegals living here, well...then it's easier to deny that they represent Bill's wife's supposed victory in the popular vote.
But.....if it's a far greater number.......

And it is.


Watch this:

3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes

"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.

When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research




Increased the totals by 13%!!!
Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:

Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.

And that isn't counting family members brought in under the law.

But....ask a lying Liberal....and the number is still 11 million.



4. So....is it still 11 million?.....or is the number of illegal aliens to over 40 million?



5. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.

"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.

He concludes that:

My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.


Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!

Gettin' nervous?


6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.

The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.

What percentage of that number would have to vote for Bill's wife's total number to be greater than that of Americans who voted for Trump?
4%.....5%........Looks like a sure thing, doesn't it: Donald Trump won both the electoral college and the popular vote if we discount illegal alien votes.



True?

So.....There may be as many as 60 to 80 million illegal aliens occupying territory in this country.

7. And they vote.

What percentage of that number would have to vote for Bill's wife's total number to be greater than that of Americans who voted for Trump?
4%.....5%........Looks like a sure thing, doesn't it: Donald Trump won both the electoral college and the popular vote if we discount illegal alien votes.


Have we seen that sort of voting by illegals before?
...remember the Old Dominion study?

"Richman was the co-author of a 2014 study that looked at noncitizen voting in the 2008 and 2010 elections. In the comparable presidential election year, the Old Dominion study determined 6.4 percent of noncitizens in the United States voted in the 2008 presidential election, and about 81 percent of those voters backed Democrat Barack Obama."
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...tizens-Vote-in-US-Elections-Richman-et-al.pdf
We've got about a half to three quarters of a million illegal votes accounted for.




But....if 6.4 percent of noncitizens in the United States voted last time
....and now

a. their icon, Obama, told them to vote and not be concerned that there would be any penalty ()

and...

b. the central issue in Trump's campaign was throwing them out of the nation that they invaded....


....ya' think maybe more than six and a half percent went to the polls???
Maybe..... 13.2%....or 17.6%.....or more of 'em voted??????


You bet they did.



Destroyed your post, huh?

Excellent.

The problem with your post is you keep using CAIRCO as your bible. NO it's not acceptable because these are anti immigration using all
kinds of numbers and options to fit your belief like Gateway pundit fake news.
So no matter how you tried your whole post is worthless. At the end you are a liar.

Obviously you are a white women thinking like a whites women that you can just walk in to a polling and place your vote and probably no one will question you.
Why would an illegal do that? They came here for better future and only one chance and one time to improve their lives and the family. They are already scared and if possible don't want any exposures.
Are they going to risk that for just one lousy vote? HELL NO. Why in the world they will do that? What benefit do they gain? What happen if they get caught? The rest of the family and the future will be gone.

I understand you have a thick skull but I'm really sorry for you not thinking common sense.

"NO it's not acceptable because these are anti immigration using all blah blah blah..."


I've noticed that when you losers can't dispute the facts, you declaim the source.

Liberals: trained to resist truth and/or education.




Hey....didn't you want to claim that those linked quotes I provided were 'lies...all lies!!!'

Truth hurts.

What fact? All the fact your present are either bogus, coming from a racist group or fake media. Maybe you mean to say ------ all the fuck up you post. Like your picture.

Racist always tend to twist the truth and post all kinds of fake news and pictures---- to serve Trump.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Gee.....every time I mention that millions of the votes for Bill's wife were cast by illegal aliens following Obama's telling them to vote, the Left's acolytes become enraged.

The fact is, a defining characteristic of the indoctrinated is to reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma of the day.
Case in point: only when illegal alien votes are 'counted' did Bill's wife get more votes than Donald Trump.
Yup: the Left's policies were rejected.....by Americans.


When I noted that, one of the usual suspects wrote this:
"How many illegal votes.....I say that you made that crap up...."
The Left's Assault on America Writ Large.


Well, even the least among us deserve an education....so, here it is:


1. First and foremost is this: Liberals have been well trained never to question the uttering's of their elites, no matter how obvious the fallacious and transparent the fabrications.
If it is day and Liberal establishment says it is night, they have been disciplined to nod and agree the fabrication.

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.

"... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?


....the indoctrinated reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma.





2. Of course, for Democrats/Liberals, illegal immigrants, or at least the votes they cast, is their life's blood! Damage to our culture, or economy, our safety, our worker's prosperity is second to the increase in power to the Democrats.

"A Rasmussen Reports poll earlier this year found that 53% of the Democratic Party supports letting illegals vote, even though it's against the law. It's pretty clear why."
http://www.investors.com/politics/e...llions-of-illegals-probably-did-vote-in-2016/



There are far more than 11 million Illegal immigrants residing in our nation.....and they cast millions of votes for the Left's candidate.

Proof....coming right up.

Never forget that California has LITERALLY institutionalized voter fraud by illegal aliens. Illegals are encouraged to vote and protected from prosecution by the scofflaw state.

{This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.}

Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

California openly and actively encourages illegal aliens to vote, and automatically registers them to do so while assuring them that not recourse will be sought against illegal voting.

Millions of illegals vote in California every election, with the blessing and protection of the democrats running the state.

The scam is evident and transparent, contrary to the permutations of 'Is not, isssss nooootttttttt!!!' posts by the Left's apparatchiks.


They know it, they hate it being revealed, and that's why this thread has gone on so long.


You can practically here them mumbling 'must-defend-party......'

California is OPENLY subverting the American election system. Forget Russia, what California has done to corrupt federal elections completely dwarfs even the most serious allegations made against the Russians. And unlike those, I have proof - in actual California statute, that they are openly subverting the election process.

Both of you are LIARS.

Oh?

{This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.}

Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

 

[charwin95]

Gee.....every time I mention that millions of the votes for Bill's wife were cast by illegal aliens following Obama's telling them to vote, the Left's acolytes become enraged.

The fact is, a defining characteristic of the indoctrinated is to reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma of the day.
Case in point: only when illegal alien votes are 'counted' did Bill's wife get more votes than Donald Trump.
Yup: the Left's policies were rejected.....by Americans.


When I noted that, one of the usual suspects wrote this:
"How many illegal votes.....I say that you made that crap up...."
The Left's Assault on America Writ Large.


Well, even the least among us deserve an education....so, here it is:


1. First and foremost is this: Liberals have been well trained never to question the uttering's of their elites, no matter how obvious the fallacious and transparent the fabrications.
If it is day and Liberal establishment says it is night, they have been disciplined to nod and agree the fabrication.

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.

"... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?


....the indoctrinated reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma.





2. Of course, for Democrats/Liberals, illegal immigrants, or at least the votes they cast, is their life's blood! Damage to our culture, or economy, our safety, our worker's prosperity is second to the increase in power to the Democrats.

"A Rasmussen Reports poll earlier this year found that 53% of the Democratic Party supports letting illegals vote, even though it's against the law. It's pretty clear why."
http://www.investors.com/politics/e...llions-of-illegals-probably-did-vote-in-2016/



There are far more than 11 million Illegal immigrants residing in our nation.....and they cast millions of votes for the Left's candidate.

Proof....coming right up.

Never forget that California has LITERALLY institutionalized voter fraud by illegal aliens. Illegals are encouraged to vote and protected from prosecution by the scofflaw state.

{This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.}

Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

California openly and actively encourages illegal aliens to vote, and automatically registers them to do so while assuring them that not recourse will be sought against illegal voting.

Millions of illegals vote in California every election, with the blessing and protection of the democrats running the state.

The scam is evident and transparent, contrary to the permutations of 'Is not, isssss nooootttttttt!!!' posts by the Left's apparatchiks.


They know it, they hate it being revealed, and that's why this thread has gone on so long.


You can practically here them mumbling 'must-defend-party......'

California is OPENLY subverting the American election system. Forget Russia, what California has done to corrupt federal elections completely dwarfs even the most serious allegations made against the Russians. And unlike those, I have proof - in actual California statute, that they are openly subverting the election process.

Both of you are LIARS.

I sense a palpable fear on your part......the overwhelming weight of truth is getting to you, huh?


At least 50 million illegal aliens invited in and sustained by Democrats stealing funds from the taxpayer fisc....
...and if even a tenth of 'em voted, as Obama told them to, well.....there goes Hillary's claim to a popular vote victory.

Lies after lies after lies. Don't you ever get tired from lying?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Regardless, the democrat controlled Mecca of leftism that is California openly promotes voting by illegals and protects those who vote illegally from prosecution. The fascist state is deliberately corrupting the American electoral system.

That chic claimed Obama told illegals they could vote,

That couldn't be firther from the truth.

RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.

OBAMA: … who may not have a voice. Who can’t legally vote. But they’re counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.

Nobody, including california, is either encouraging or allowing illegals to vote.

Regardless, California openly engages in federal election fraud every election cycle by openly registering illegal aliens and other non-citizens and protecting them from prosecution by providing official state sanction to their voting.

Fascists bristled that Trump pointed out the fact that California had 3 million illegal alien votes. If Trump was wrong it was due to being fat too conservative in the number. The last honest election in California was 2004.

The democrats are brazen in their open corruption, Sessions needs to start arresting the scum in California, while we still have a nation left.

You don't have a single ioata of your bull shit that 3 millions illegals voted.

Yo stupid, California registers and protects illegals, by law.

{This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.}

Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

You sure are a dumb one.

 

[Thinker101]

Never forget that California has LITERALLY institutionalized voter fraud by illegal aliens. Illegals are encouraged to vote and protected from prosecution by the scofflaw state.

{This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.}

Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

California openly and actively encourages illegal aliens to vote, and automatically registers them to do so while assuring them that not recourse will be sought against illegal voting.

Millions of illegals vote in California every election, with the blessing and protection of the democrats running the state.

The scam is evident and transparent, contrary to the permutations of 'Is not, isssss nooootttttttt!!!' posts by the Left's apparatchiks.


They know it, they hate it being revealed, and that's why this thread has gone on so long.


You can practically here them mumbling 'must-defend-party......'

California is OPENLY subverting the American election system. Forget Russia, what California has done to corrupt federal elections completely dwarfs even the most serious allegations made against the Russians. And unlike those, I have proof - in actual California statute, that they are openly subverting the election process.

Both of you are LIARS.

I sense a palpable fear on your part......the overwhelming weight of truth is getting to you, huh?


At least 50 million illegal aliens invited in and sustained by Democrats stealing funds from the taxpayer fisc....
...and if even a tenth of 'em voted, as Obama told them to, well.....there goes Hillary's claim to a popular vote victory.

Lies after lies after lies. Don't you ever get tired from lying?

Sure got tired of hearing Obama's and Hillary's lies.