US EXPELS 35 Russian diplomats, closes two compounds.

[ColonelAngus]

. Dag, you that mad about your Killary that you would start a war with Russia ?? Are you kin to Hitler maybe ?? Scorched earth policy eh ?

I'm just mad because of too much traitors in my country.

If you were born in Miami,
why you say
'too much traitors'???

Why does it matter? You're attacking someone on their english skills?

English should be capitalized.

Indeed. So you think you make important points by attacking people's language skills?

No, I thought it was funny to attack your English skills when you were chastising someone else for them attacking someone's English. It doesn't actually bother me.

 

[jc456]

Clearly the Russian plants on USMB have exposed themselves for what they are, Russian plants..


WASHINGTON -- U.S. intelligence services don’t often release the details of their analysis, but Thursday they did as part of an ongoing effort to pull back the curtain on what U.S. officials believe is malicious Russian cyber activity code named Grizzly Steppe.

Investigators believe the initial cyberattack of Democratic Party officials began in the summer of 2015.
The first hacking unit, dubbed APT29, sent out a barrage of emails containing a “malicious link to over 1,000 recipients, including multiple U.S. government victims.” Once someone clicked on the link, the hackers were in the system.

According to the document, the hackers “successfully compromised” the “U.S. political party” and stole “email from several accounts.”

About a year later, in the spring of 2016, another hacking unit called APT28 also targeted Democratic Party officials, and once again deployed malicious emails that “tricked recipients into changing their passwords.” According to U.S. intelligence officials, that hack likely gave Russian operatives access to the information of senior Democratic Party officials, which was then “leaked to the press and publicly disclosed.”

Russia has denied the allegations, but a U.S. official said, “I would never expect Russia to come out with their hands up and acknowledge what they did.”
U.S. intelligence agencies release analysis of Russian cyber espionage

So, gene, nothing in that link. You lied. Post the in of that says confirms Russia. I'll wait. A looooooong time for that obviously!

 

[Againsheila]

Am I the only one who thinks Obama is trying to start a war with Russia?

 

[Coyote]

I'm just mad because of too much traitors in my country.

If you were born in Miami,
why you say
'too much traitors'???

Why does it matter? You're attacking someone on their english skills?

English should be capitalized.

Indeed. So you think you make important points by attacking people's language skills?

No, I thought it was funny to attack your English skills when you were chastising someone else for them attacking someone's English. It doesn't actually bother me.

Good.

Did you think it funny that the person attacking Charwin's English skills (see I got it right that time) - deployed similarly poor English skills?

 

[ColonelAngus]

Point is --- that kind of intel doesn't generally get released to the public if it can be TRACED back to specific operatives or agents. Especially if they were sloppy enough to leave evidence of their methods. The whole point of gathering it is to hold it secret and use it as leverage in "negotiations". You could burn entire groups that collect that stuff by exposing it without cleaning up.

Looks to me like someone Internally burned the Kremlin. The way that Snowden did here in the US.

And it's not just one affair. You have Hillary's stupid ass home brewed system which I'm SURE was browsed by 4 or 6 foreign nations. Then you have the DNC hacks which were interesting but not even close to fatal for Clinton personally. And Finally, you have the idiot Podesta running an entire campaign out of Gmail account on his commercial phone. Those are all different stories. And the DNC and media are just balling them up into one big "Russia did it" excuse...

See I don't think so, and the reason is - there appears to be a long history of hacking attempts from Russia on us and other western governments aimed at election processes. Releasing it can influence things as much as holding it, especially through a proxy like Wikileaks.

We've been spying on Russian politicos for 35 years or more. This is from a book, not my "personal" experience, but in the 1980s we could tell you exactly how much Vodka the Kremlin was ordering and what brands. So if they were interested in where Podesta got his pizza from --- you shouldn't be surprised.

NONE of that info ever makes it to public domain unless someone gets blackmailed with it in exchange for negotiating concessions. That's what is "not right" about this "blame it on the Russians" deal..

You don't want the other guessing how they know what they know. Was it satellite interception, an antenna on an embassy, an asset working on the ground, a group for hire in Romania??? You don't want to widely EXPOSE those methods. Because they can be neutralized. And people could get killed.

I disagree. Russia was using Wikileaks to cover it's track. There is substantial agreement among diverse authorities that Russia was behind the hacking. There is zero evidence that it was the DNC insider. There is nothing substantial in the hacked emails - nothing outright illegal. What's there is stuff that can be implied, misconstrued or is embarressing. It's not "blackmail worthy" but it can - when released at strategic intervals - cause havoc.

WHICH hacking were they behind? The DNC hack was a simple spearfishing attack. ANYONE could have done it. Getting a Gmail account from a phone is a little trickier, but there were reports that Podesta had LOST a phone.

The assumption seems to be that ONLY the Russians were in those 3 separate attacks. But I assure you, there were other breaches on those stupid systems. There were just too tempting as targets.

In classified session, with the DNC and RNC, the FBI probably told them HOW MANY hacking attempts or successes had been made. It's not likely at all that ONLY the Russians were into those systems. And the only one of the 3 that had "the good stuff" on Clinton was Podesta's phone. And maybe the other "not publicly released" classified info that came from Clintons' "security workaround" server. But her lawyers and contractors damaged the evidence so badly on that one, that no can assess how many unauthorized leaks there were on that system.

Media and govt are wrapping all of these together in attempt to confuse folks.. The problem was -- DNC and Clinton and Podesta did not LISTEN to security advice. There's your fundamental issue..

That is A fundamental issue. Among others. I can't see all 17 intelligence agencies colluding to pinpoint Russia if they didn't have substantial evidence - they're notoriously cagy about committing to something like that. No one is saying it was ONLY Russia - but that the evidence points to Russia.

It's too bad the DNC is corrupt. It would not have mattered.

 

[ColonelAngus]

If you were born in Miami,
why you say
'too much traitors'???

Why does it matter? You're attacking someone on their english skills?

English should be capitalized.

Indeed. So you think you make important points by attacking people's language skills?

No, I thought it was funny to attack your English skills when you were chastising someone else for them attacking someone's English. It doesn't actually bother me.

Good.

Did you think it funny that the person attacking Charwin's English skills (see I got it right that time) - deployed similarly poor English skills?

It didn't bother me.

 

[Dr Grump]

It's already been done, and Putin is still laughing at him and inviting the American kids to the Christmas and New Years party's at the Kremlin.
Some kicking! Lol.

Gee I wonder why he is doing that. I wonder if Trump knows he's now a violin...

. He knows that you are a fiddle.

No, Putin is the fiddle and bow.

 

[Dr Grump]

Am I the only one who thinks Obama is trying to start a war with Russia?

No. .There are plenty of right-wing, neocon, alt-right loons and deplorables that think the same.

 

[jc456]

You created a pretty incredible conspiracy theory with everyone (but Putin) lying to us...just how is it that you got the Dems and Pubs who never agree on anything to buy into this conspiracy?

It wasn't meant as a conspiracy tied to one event. The point I wanted to make was that our government will lie to us and have done so at various times over the course of our history as a nation. It should be the prerogative of every citizen to question the veracity of the governments claims. The fact that you have chosen to accept those claims at face value in no way diminishes the mental state of those who rationally await some form of confirming evidence that support the claims. "Trust us" is no longer going to cut it, nor should it. Faith, the kind that you display, is something that a growing number of Americans have lost. Faith in the political class and faith in the media is on the wane, and rightly so.

You would have to presume that 99 members of the Senate are lying, along with the FBI, CIA and 17 other intelligence agencies, including Barack Obama. And the ONLY one who is telling the truth is Trump, and it's some fat guy sitting on his bed doing all of this--LOL

To hack into a private or public computer is a FELONY in this country that comes with prison time. Anyone wanting to risk doing that is going to have a reward for taking that risk.

Obama has stated he will give more information regarding this next week, but certainly you're betting the odds that this is going to come out good for Comrade Trump.

No doubt. Trump will have the power, very, very soon, grasshopper.

You realize Trump is not Emperer right?

You realize that Michelle O. said hope is gone right?

You mean Michelle obummer insulted 65 million Americans?

 

[Coyote]

Why does it matter? You're attacking someone on their english skills?

English should be capitalized.

Indeed. So you think you make important points by attacking people's language skills?

No, I thought it was funny to attack your English skills when you were chastising someone else for them attacking someone's English. It doesn't actually bother me.

Good.

Did you think it funny that the person attacking Charwin's English skills (see I got it right that time) - deployed similarly poor English skills?

It didn't bother me.

 

[ColonelAngus]

English should be capitalized.

Indeed. So you think you make important points by attacking people's language skills?

No, I thought it was funny to attack your English skills when you were chastising someone else for them attacking someone's English. It doesn't actually bother me.

Good.

Did you think it funny that the person attacking Charwin's English skills (see I got it right that time) - deployed similarly poor English skills?

It didn't bother me.

You missed the transitive verb "is" in your previous post. It should be "Do you think it IS funny...."

 

[ColonelAngus]

Am I the only one who thinks Obama is trying to start a war with Russia?

No. .There are plenty of right-wing, neocon, alt-right loons and deplorables that think the same.

The nut jobs who thought Trump would win?

The snowflakes who thought Hillary would win are much much smarter, aren't they?

 

[oreo]

Point is --- that kind of intel doesn't generally get released to the public if it can be TRACED back to specific operatives or agents. Especially if they were sloppy enough to leave evidence of their methods. The whole point of gathering it is to hold it secret and use it as leverage in "negotiations". You could burn entire groups that collect that stuff by exposing it without cleaning up.

Looks to me like someone Internally burned the Kremlin. The way that Snowden did here in the US.

And it's not just one affair. You have Hillary's stupid ass home brewed system which I'm SURE was browsed by 4 or 6 foreign nations. Then you have the DNC hacks which were interesting but not even close to fatal for Clinton personally. And Finally, you have the idiot Podesta running an entire campaign out of Gmail account on his commercial phone. Those are all different stories. And the DNC and media are just balling them up into one big "Russia did it" excuse...

See I don't think so, and the reason is - there appears to be a long history of hacking attempts from Russia on us and other western governments aimed at election processes. Releasing it can influence things as much as holding it, especially through a proxy like Wikileaks.

We've been spying on Russian politicos for 35 years or more. This is from a book, not my "personal" experience, but in the 1980s we could tell you exactly how much Vodka the Kremlin was ordering and what brands. So if they were interested in where Podesta got his pizza from --- you shouldn't be surprised.

NONE of that info ever makes it to public domain unless someone gets blackmailed with it in exchange for negotiating concessions. That's what is "not right" about this "blame it on the Russians" deal..

You don't want the other guessing how they know what they know. Was it satellite interception, an antenna on an embassy, an asset working on the ground, a group for hire in Romania??? You don't want to widely EXPOSE those methods. Because they can be neutralized. And people could get killed.

I disagree. Russia was using Wikileaks to cover it's track. There is substantial agreement among diverse authorities that Russia was behind the hacking. There is zero evidence that it was the DNC insider. There is nothing substantial in the hacked emails - nothing outright illegal. What's there is stuff that can be implied, misconstrued or is embarressing. It's not "blackmail worthy" but it can - when released at strategic intervals - cause havoc.

WHICH hacking were they behind? The DNC hack was a simple spearfishing attack. ANYONE could have done it. Getting a Gmail account from a phone is a little trickier, but there were reports that Podesta had LOST a phone.

The assumption seems to be that ONLY the Russians were in those 3 separate attacks. But I assure you, there were other breaches on those stupid systems. There were just too tempting as targets.

In classified session, with the DNC and RNC, the FBI probably told them HOW MANY hacking attempts or successes had been made. It's not likely at all that ONLY the Russians were into those systems. And the only one of the 3 that had "the good stuff" on Clinton was Podesta's phone. And maybe the other "not publicly released" classified info that came from Clintons' "security workaround" server. But her lawyers and contractors damaged the evidence so badly on that one, that no can assess how many unauthorized leaks there were on that system.

Media and govt are wrapping all of these together in attempt to confuse folks.. The problem was -- DNC and Clinton and Podesta did not LISTEN to security advice. There's your fundamental issue..

That is A fundamental issue. Among others. I can't see all 17 intelligence agencies colluding to pinpoint Russia if they didn't have substantial evidence - they're notoriously cagy about committing to something like that. No one is saying it was ONLY Russia - but that the evidence points to Russia.

Obama has often been criticized of being slow to react. As we have seen sometimes he waits months for evidence before he reacts to anything, almost like he has to be convinced 100% of something before he'll make a move. This is historic, it is the most severe sanction against Russia since the Cuban missile crisis. Republicans are promising more sanctions.

Clearly Putin did not expect this kind of reaction. If he would have foresaw this, he would have never done it. Russia has never intervened into our election process before, but they have done major damage with hacking into the Pentagon recently, almost bringing the U.S. Military down. Putin got into the Joint Chiefs of staffs emails. Putin is former KGB, he's a spy.
Russian hack almost brought the U.S. military to its knees

Trump and his physco-babble interpreters that have surrounded him through-out this campaign are now in a position of arguing with the entire U.S. Senate--the intelligence committee there, 17 different intelligence agencies, including the CIA & the FBI. His lazy fair attitude, well I'll see if I can make it to an intelligence briefing next week, when there is one held daily, everyday at 9 a.m., that he has refused to attend. Even at one time stating he didn't need to be there. He made a statement that he knows more than our generals do because he watches T.V. shows. Obviously he believes that.

So what kind of a President do Trump supporters think they're getting? Right now there isn't a General/Admiral or anyone in military uniform in this country that respects him. The Joint Chiefs of Staff that depend on our intelligence agencies to advise the POTUS. It's really incomprehensible to imagine that Donald Trump will be the Commander and Chief of this country and will have nuclear codes in hand. You have the entire Senate going against him. They aren't going to protect him. Trump and his supporters have made so many Republican enemies in both houses, they aren't going to work with someone who denies this kind of intelligence, nor respect him. He is clearly not qualified to be President of the United States.
Graham: 99 percent of senators believe Russia interfered in election

And you all knew this long before you voted for this T.V. reality star. Now you own this nightmare.

 

[Againsheila]

See I don't think so, and the reason is - there appears to be a long history of hacking attempts from Russia on us and other western governments aimed at election processes. Releasing it can influence things as much as holding it, especially through a proxy like Wikileaks.

We've been spying on Russian politicos for 35 years or more. This is from a book, not my "personal" experience, but in the 1980s we could tell you exactly how much Vodka the Kremlin was ordering and what brands. So if they were interested in where Podesta got his pizza from --- you shouldn't be surprised.

NONE of that info ever makes it to public domain unless someone gets blackmailed with it in exchange for negotiating concessions. That's what is "not right" about this "blame it on the Russians" deal..

You don't want the other guessing how they know what they know. Was it satellite interception, an antenna on an embassy, an asset working on the ground, a group for hire in Romania??? You don't want to widely EXPOSE those methods. Because they can be neutralized. And people could get killed.

I disagree. Russia was using Wikileaks to cover it's track. There is substantial agreement among diverse authorities that Russia was behind the hacking. There is zero evidence that it was the DNC insider. There is nothing substantial in the hacked emails - nothing outright illegal. What's there is stuff that can be implied, misconstrued or is embarressing. It's not "blackmail worthy" but it can - when released at strategic intervals - cause havoc.

WHICH hacking were they behind? The DNC hack was a simple spearfishing attack. ANYONE could have done it. Getting a Gmail account from a phone is a little trickier, but there were reports that Podesta had LOST a phone.

The assumption seems to be that ONLY the Russians were in those 3 separate attacks. But I assure you, there were other breaches on those stupid systems. There were just too tempting as targets.

In classified session, with the DNC and RNC, the FBI probably told them HOW MANY hacking attempts or successes had been made. It's not likely at all that ONLY the Russians were into those systems. And the only one of the 3 that had "the good stuff" on Clinton was Podesta's phone. And maybe the other "not publicly released" classified info that came from Clintons' "security workaround" server. But her lawyers and contractors damaged the evidence so badly on that one, that no can assess how many unauthorized leaks there were on that system.

Media and govt are wrapping all of these together in attempt to confuse folks.. The problem was -- DNC and Clinton and Podesta did not LISTEN to security advice. There's your fundamental issue..

That is A fundamental issue. Among others. I can't see all 17 intelligence agencies colluding to pinpoint Russia if they didn't have substantial evidence - they're notoriously cagy about committing to something like that. No one is saying it was ONLY Russia - but that the evidence points to Russia.

Obama has often been criticized of being slow to react. As we have seen sometimes he waits months for evidence before he reacts to anything, almost like he has to be convinced 100% of something before he'll make a move. This is historic, it is the most severe sanction against Russia since the Cuban missile crisis. Republicans are promising more sanctions.

Clearly Putin did not expect this kind of reaction. If he would have foresaw this, he would have never done it. Russia has never intervened into our election process before, but they have done major damage with hacking into the Pentagon recently, almost bringing the U.S. Military down. Putin got into the Joint Chiefs of staffs emails. Putin is former KGB, he's a spy.
Russian hack almost brought the U.S. military to its knees

Trump and his physco-babble interpreters that have surrounded him through-out this campaign are now in a position of arguing with the entire U.S. Senate--the intelligence committee there, 17 different intelligence agencies, including the CIA & the FBI. His lazy fair attitude, well I'll see if I can make it to an intelligence briefing next week, when there is one held daily everyday at 9 a.m., that he has refused to attend. Even at one time stating he didn't need to be there. He made a statement that he knows more than our generals do because he watches T.V. shows. Obviously he meant that.

So what kind of a President do Trump supporters think they're getting? Right now there isn't a General in this country that respects him. The Joint Chiefs of Staff that depend on our intelligence agencies to advise the POTUS. It's really almost impossible to imagine that Donald Trump is Commander and Chief of this country at this time. You have the entire Senate going against him. They aren't going to protect him. Trump and his supporters have made so many Republican enemies in both houses, they aren't going to work with someone who denies this kind of intelligence. He's is clearly not qualified to be President of the United States.

And you all knew this long before you voted this T.V. reality star. Now you own this nightmare.

LOL, you think the generals respect Obama? How many has he fired in his 8 years?

 

[ColonelAngus]

See I don't think so, and the reason is - there appears to be a long history of hacking attempts from Russia on us and other western governments aimed at election processes. Releasing it can influence things as much as holding it, especially through a proxy like Wikileaks.

We've been spying on Russian politicos for 35 years or more. This is from a book, not my "personal" experience, but in the 1980s we could tell you exactly how much Vodka the Kremlin was ordering and what brands. So if they were interested in where Podesta got his pizza from --- you shouldn't be surprised.

NONE of that info ever makes it to public domain unless someone gets blackmailed with it in exchange for negotiating concessions. That's what is "not right" about this "blame it on the Russians" deal..

You don't want the other guessing how they know what they know. Was it satellite interception, an antenna on an embassy, an asset working on the ground, a group for hire in Romania??? You don't want to widely EXPOSE those methods. Because they can be neutralized. And people could get killed.

I disagree. Russia was using Wikileaks to cover it's track. There is substantial agreement among diverse authorities that Russia was behind the hacking. There is zero evidence that it was the DNC insider. There is nothing substantial in the hacked emails - nothing outright illegal. What's there is stuff that can be implied, misconstrued or is embarressing. It's not "blackmail worthy" but it can - when released at strategic intervals - cause havoc.

WHICH hacking were they behind? The DNC hack was a simple spearfishing attack. ANYONE could have done it. Getting a Gmail account from a phone is a little trickier, but there were reports that Podesta had LOST a phone.

The assumption seems to be that ONLY the Russians were in those 3 separate attacks. But I assure you, there were other breaches on those stupid systems. There were just too tempting as targets.

In classified session, with the DNC and RNC, the FBI probably told them HOW MANY hacking attempts or successes had been made. It's not likely at all that ONLY the Russians were into those systems. And the only one of the 3 that had "the good stuff" on Clinton was Podesta's phone. And maybe the other "not publicly released" classified info that came from Clintons' "security workaround" server. But her lawyers and contractors damaged the evidence so badly on that one, that no can assess how many unauthorized leaks there were on that system.

Media and govt are wrapping all of these together in attempt to confuse folks.. The problem was -- DNC and Clinton and Podesta did not LISTEN to security advice. There's your fundamental issue..

That is A fundamental issue. Among others. I can't see all 17 intelligence agencies colluding to pinpoint Russia if they didn't have substantial evidence - they're notoriously cagy about committing to something like that. No one is saying it was ONLY Russia - but that the evidence points to Russia.

Obama has often been criticized of being slow to react. As we have seen sometimes he waits months for evidence before he reacts to anything, almost like he has to be convinced 100% of something before he'll make a move. This is historic, it is the most severe sanction against Russia since the Cuban missile crisis. Republicans are promising more sanctions.

Clearly Putin did not expect this kind of reaction. If he would have foresaw this, he would have never done it. Russia has never intervened into our election process before, but they have done major damage with hacking into the Pentagon recently, almost bringing the U.S. Military down. Putin got into the Joint Chiefs of staffs emails. Putin is former KGB, he's a spy.
Russian hack almost brought the U.S. military to its knees

Trump and his physco-babble interpreters that have surrounded him through-out this campaign are now in a position of arguing with the entire U.S. Senate--the intelligence committee there, 17 different intelligence agencies, including the CIA & the FBI. His lazy fair attitude, well I'll see if I can make it to an intelligence briefing next week, when there is one held daily everyday at 9 a.m., that he has refused to attend. Even at one time stating he didn't need to be there. He made a statement that he knows more than our generals do because he watches T.V. shows. Obviously he believes that.

So what kind of a President do Trump supporters think they're getting? Right now there isn't a General in this country that respects him. The Joint Chiefs of Staff that depend on our intelligence agencies to advise the POTUS. It's really almost impossible to imagine that Donald Trump is Commander and Chief of this country at this time. You have the entire Senate going against him. They aren't going to protect him. Trump and his supporters have made so many Republican enemies in both houses, they aren't going to work with someone who denies this kind of intelligence. He's is clearly not qualified to be President of the United States.
Graham: 99 percent of senators believe Russia interfered in election

And you all knew this long before you voted for this T.V. reality star. Now you own this nightmare.

Putin made CNN collude with the DNC.

 

[Flopper]

Trump will allow the diplomats back in 3 weeks, most likely.

This was a very bad move by Obama that is not going to accomplish anything positive.

If anyone thinks this lame gesture will stop anyone from spying, they are very stupid.

What Obama did was the right thing to do. You don't give Russia a free pass. Politically it's also a good movie for Obama because it boxes Trump into a position of allying himself with Putin, a position that most his party does not support. The interest of US and Russian are about as far apart as you can get. Eventually Putin will turn on Trump.

 

[Flopper]

Am I the only one who thinks Obama is trying to start a war with Russia?

Yes.

 

[Againsheila]

Trump will allow the diplomats back in 3 weeks, most likely.

This was a very bad move by Obama that is not going to accomplish anything positive.

If anyone thinks this lame gesture will stop anyone from spying, they are very stupid.

What Obama did was the right thing to do. You don't give Russia a free pass. Politically it's also a good movie for Obama because it boxes Trump into a position of allying himself with Putin, a position that most his party does not support. The interest of US and Russian are about as far apart as you can get. Eventually Putin will turn on Trump.

You mean the way Obama turned on Netanyahu?

 

[Dr Grump]

The nut jobs who thought Trump would win?

The snowflakes who thought Hillary would win are much much smarter, aren't they?

I'm reasonably confident they are. Yes. Would have to do an IQ test on all voters to see if that is true though.

 

[Againsheila]

Can't think they are very smart, having a recount in Michigan and showing they have more votes for Hillary than there are voters......It's like committing a crime and then making sure you're caught.