US Jobless claims fall to 4 decade low

[Rshermr]

That chart show "employed"...

How do you that number of employed folks doesn't include workers who would have been laid off but weren't because their company made additional revenue (i.e., jobs saved)?

You have no clue what the Current Employment Statistics consist of...do you, Faun?

Translation: you don't know. You can't tell the difference between a company who lost an employee but gained one back ... from a company who didn't layoff an employee as planned due to an infusion of money.

Thanks for admitting what I knew you already didn't know.

I'm not the idiot that believes 37 percent of the work eligible participants are living a life of leisure and that only 4.9 percent are looking for work. That's were idiots like you come into play. There is some bad shit coming down the pike and I will be absolutely stunned as well as elated if we make it to the end of the year without a financial collapse of monumental proportions.

Does an 80 year old gramps or 18 year old student "living a life of leisure and not looking for work" surprise you??

You are too ignorant to argue this with me and you are too ignorant to have any basis to to reject official numbers. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not a fact.

No, dumb ass...but they are counting those that are working part-time as being "employed". The numbers are being fudged and if you can't see that, then YOU are the ignorant one. 51 percent of those that even have a job make less than 30K a year and over 35 percent of those that have a job make less than 20K a year. The dollar doesn't buy shit anymore. This fiat currency has been devalued even more by the QE program. You can put lipstick on this pig all you want...put some eye-liner on it but at the end of the day, it's still a pig and with Barrypuppet pushing the TPP, it will make decent paying jobs even harder to find. There isn't one "Fair Trade Agreement" that has benefited the middle class because that's the goal....to tear down the middle class. The neocons working in conjunction with the leftard clown posse have done their part. Ignorant? As if....I am a walking, talking encyclopedia of information. The decimation of the middle class is no accident at all. You cannot win this debate or argument. You like having sunshine pounded up your ass? Enjoy...I prefer to live in this thing we call "reality".

Your insanity persists. Part timers have always been included in the U-3. Most part timers want to be part timers. The ones who don't are counted in the U-6.

I've never heard so much whining in my life about how the BLS measures unemployment until Obama became president.

Dude, I don't give a flying fuck about political parties. because they are nothing but corporate officers of USA.INC, a foreign owned corporate entity that was the "successor to contract" to provide the 19 essential/enumerated services as described in their corporate charter that was the Act of 1871 and it's a "for profit venture". They enact Acts, Statutes and Codes because as a corporate entity, they cannot pass laws because laws can only be established on the land. We are under admiralty law which was brought up on the land in 1868 and we went from being a sovereign citizen to that of being a subject....and the story behind that would be another long ass post and I have already covered this before and I tire of repeating myself. We have lost MILLIONS upon millions of jobs because of unfair "Fair trade agreements". Neocons and the Barrypuppet have been trying shove the TPP down our throat. I salute the patriotic democrats and Tea Party republicans that are not bought and paid for as they tied to stand against it. You have got to take off the blinders.

Dude, you don't get it. No one gives a flying fuck about you. You are, me boy, irrelevant. Plain and simple. Particularly SIMPLE.

 

[Rshermr]

So you can't name them...but it's a FACT that Obama did have policies that created jobs? I'm curious, Anton...when you make arguments like that...is there anyone that doesn't laugh?

I've named what I consider reasonable numbers. I can't name FOR YOU what YOU consider good numbers, because...well there doesn't seem to be any numbers more than ZERO that you'll accept due to your deep rooted politico needs. But on the other hand you ALSO know such numbers are moronic and so you dis-honestly abstain from naming it.

When did I ever claim ZERO jobs were created, Anton? You've been hanging out with Georgie too much...you're starting to play fast and loose with the truth just like him!

What I consider to be "reasonable" numbers are the jobs created numbers that had always been used as a barometer of job growth...not some fictional estimates based on political need.

You "consider" nothing. Posting con talking points does not constitute considering. Posting talking points fed to you by those paid to write them is simply proving that you are incapable of independent thought.
You lost the battle big time, dipshit. No one thinks that a food services employee would be a rational sources. But, five independent organizations with teams of economists and researchers would for sure be GREAT rational sources. So, again, you lost, FIVE for the rational sources, ZERO for you, the food services employee. But you just keep on lying, and lying and lying. And making personal attacks with no earthly proof. Because, again, you are a ignorant conservative troll just posting lies that you have been told to believe, so you do as told.

 

[Rshermr]

Hilarious when it's counting the deficits it's nothing but - OBAMA SPENT LIKE DRUNKEN SAILOR!
When it's counting the jobs that spending bought it's - ANYBODY woulda done it! He didn't do nothing special!


Well leave it to you to make IRRELEVANT arguments. It doesn't matter who-woulda-coulda. Fact is Obama DID. So when you say he DIDN"T pass job creating policies, you are WRONG.

Since you haven't been able to provide anything resembling what you would consider GOOD NUMBERS on how many jobs 800 billion dollars caused we can safely ignore your BS ramblings.

So you can't name them...but it's a FACT that Obama did have policies that created jobs? I'm curious, Anton...when you make arguments like that...is there anyone that doesn't laugh?

Yup. I don't laugh because while you lie like a rug, Anton never lies. Ever. Because you know that you are lying, I don't think you have anything to laugh about. that would be you lying again.
First, Oldstyle, you have promised months ago to provide bills that republicans have brought forward to combat the disaster known as the Great Republican Recession of 2008. You promised, and then failed to do so. So, was it simply another lie of yours?

Second, you have been shown many times the numbers, in the millions, of jobs that obama has been responsible for saving and creating.

Third. You have been unable to find a single job bill by Republicans, so at this point we know it was Obama Millions of jobs saved and created, Republicans 0 jobs. That's Zero.

Fourth, you are LYING again when you quote the $800 Billion number. As you have been shown, it was $500 Billion in stimulus, and a couple hundred Billion in tax decreases that Republicans put in the Stimulus (and then voted against).

Really, oldstyle, you lie so much your posts are a waste of space.

Republicans congratulate Republican governors for the economic recovery they deny is happening because they don't want to give Obama any credit. How do you take someone who does this seriously? And if the economy were as bad as Republicans say why aren't republicans governors worried about their jobs? Michigan gov GOP Rick Snyder poisoned us with lead and he still has his job.

Bush has zero to do with this economic recovery. For once Republicans can't try to credit the previous administration for a Democrats success

Actually, I think they will try. Because we have so many stupid people out there. And con trolls like Oldstyle simply blatantly lying all the time.

Wasn't Bush responsible for TARP?

Oh, I'm sorry...I keep forgetting in "Georgie World" Bush gets all of the blame and none of the credit...while Barry gets none of the blame and all of the credit![/QUOTE]

Georgie? Barry? You always come along to cement what I say. Using your little childish names based on your juvenile brain to prove you are an agenda driven con troll.
Thanks again for proving you have no class. No integrity. Nothing but anger.

 

[Rshermr]

What's laughable is that you think "jobs saved" gives you a more accurate estimate of policy effects than the CES numbers!

Jobs saved is a description of numbers in an estimate, not a source of estimate silly. The SOURCE of estimate is consideration of how tax-cuts, spending, transfers etc, convert to changes in jobs number.

"Jobs saved" is a smoke screen to obscure the lack of job creation...no matter how you try to dress it up, Anton!

Actually, the only thing left to answer is whether ou are delusional, or simply stupid. You lost by a score of 5 impartial well respected sources with teams of economists, to yourself. Yourself being a con troll with nearly no economic background and no economists working for or with you, and as a bonus, being nothing but a simple food services worker. Do you yet understand why you are IRRELIVENT. AND A DIPSHIT.

 

[Rshermr]

http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/tab4.txt

Employment created or lost...with no "jobs saved" bullshit!

That chart show "employed"...

How do you that number of employed folks doesn't include workers who would have been laid off but weren't because their company made additional revenue (i.e., jobs saved)?

You have no clue what the Current Employment Statistics consist of...do you, Faun?

Translation: you don't know. You can't tell the difference between a company who lost an employee but gained one back ... from a company who didn't layoff an employee as planned due to an infusion of money.

Thanks for admitting what I knew you already didn't know.

Pray tell, Faun...how do you quantify the number of people who didn't lose jobs due to stimulus money? Do you not grasp how the Obama Administration realized that it was indeed impossible to estimate that number and used that to hide pathetic job creation numbers?

Jobs Created is an actual number...created from data collected through the CES...jobs saved is fiction...a number created out of thin air...usually for political cover.

By surveying the companies receiving ARRA funds.

THAT WOULD BE TOO SIMPLE. POOR CLOWN WOULD PREFER TO LIE, AND SAY THAT JOBS SAVED IS FICTION. AND DENY THE FIVE TEAMS OF ECONOMISTS WHO SAY HE IS WRONG.

 

[edthecynic]

http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/tab4.txt

Employment created or lost...with no "jobs saved" bullshit!

According to OMB, a job saved is defined as any existing position funded by the Recovery Act during the previous reporting quarter. Jobs funded partially with stimulus funds will be counted based on the proportion funded by the Recovery Act.

 

[AntonToo]

No, dumb ass...but they are counting those that are working part-time as being "employed". The numbers are being fudged and if you can't see that, then YOU are the ignorant one.

Why do you call people dumb ass when you say dumb ass things?

Part time jobs are in fact jobs and are appropriately reflected in unemployment called U3 measure (official unemployment most commonly used).

Underemployment, which counts those that have part time but WANT full time is called U6, which is also way down to normal levels.

Numbers are not being fudged and I'm quite proficient in these statistics...the problem here is that YOU, like most I conservatives I see on the Internets are more interested Obama bitching than educating yourself in these matters.

51 percent of those that even have a job make less than 30K a year and over 35 percent of those that have a job make less than 20K a year.

Ok and whats your point? Is that good? Is that bad? How does that compare to pre-recession numbers?

The dollar doesn't buy shit anymore. This fiat currency has been devalued even more by the QE program. You can put lipstick on this pig all you want...put some eye-liner on it but at the end of the day, it's still a pig and with Barrypuppet pushing the TPP, it will make decent paying jobs even harder to find.

You are again deeply misinformed.

Inflation has been VERY LOW, and in fact during recession our problem was threat of much more serious problem of DEFLATION. So if QE did cause inflation that is actually a comment on the success of that monetary policy in keeping the interest rates at healthy level.

Compared to other currencies dollar is now more solid than I ever remember.

Ignorant? As if....I am a walking, talking encyclopedia of information. The decimation of the middle class is no accident at all. You cannot win this debate or argument. You like having sunshine pounded up your ass? Enjoy...I prefer to live in this thing we call "reality".

Thanks for the comedic relief mr.Empty-encyclopedia.

 

[Rshermr]

I specifically said you didn't say ZERO because it is moronic, but you can't stand to admit more either, so you keep posting deflecting bullshit.

Now go ahead and reply with something non-stupid, like some numbers YOU think are reasonable and explain based on what. OR just honestly admit that you got no clue how many jobs the policy created and that you simply don't like it.

http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/tab4.txt

Employment created or lost...with no "jobs saved" bullshit!

That chart show "employed"...

How do you that number of employed folks doesn't include workers who would have been laid off but weren't because their company made additional revenue (i.e., jobs saved)?

You have no clue what the Current Employment Statistics consist of...do you, Faun?

Translation: you don't know. You can't tell the difference between a company who lost an employee but gained one back ... from a company who didn't layoff an employee as planned due to an infusion of money.

Thanks for admitting what I knew you already didn't know.

Pray tell, Faun...how do you quantify the number of people who didn't lose jobs due to stimulus money? Do you not grasp how the Obama Administration realized that it was indeed impossible to estimate that number and used that to hide pathetic job creation numbers?

Jobs Created is an actual number...created from data collected through the CES...jobs saved is fiction...a number created out of thin air...usually for political cover.

[/QUOTE]

It has been explained to you multiple times. Pray tell, why would anyone want to explain it to you again. You argued that it was a bad number, but five organizations well respected and with teams of economists and researchers all say the same thing. Which is that the numbers of jobs saved are VALID, and that your argument is stupid and wrong. But no matter how many times it is explained to you, it will make no difference. Because you have taken on the job of laing out the con troll talking point that jobs saved is not valid. So, lets consider:
You, oldstyle:
1. Are a food services employee who does not work with unemployment in any way.
2. Have no economics background.
3. Are a con troll, well proven.
4. Lie continuously.
5. Have NO sources to back you up and that you have linked to.
So, there is no reason for anyone to believe what you say. And for that reason, no one does believe what you say.
On the other hand, each of the five sources which you lost the argument to:
1. Have professional economic teams.
2. Have Researchers.
3. Are proudly impartial always.
4. As a result have respected records for their statements.
5. Never, ever lie under any circumstances.
6. Have NO agenda.
7. Provide valid reasons for what they say.
So, there is every reason to believe what these organization say. And for that reason, all rational people believe what they say.
So, again, you are, technically, FULL OF SHIT. Found to be pushing con talking points. Are LYING. Are a waste of space.

 

[Dale Smith]

No, dumb ass...but they are counting those that are working part-time as being "employed". The numbers are being fudged and if you can't see that, then YOU are the ignorant one.

Why do you call people dumb ass when you say dumb ass things?

Part time jobs are in fact jobs and are appropriately reflected in unemployment called U3 measure (official unemployment most commonly used).

Underemployment, which counts those that have part time but WANT full time is called U6, which is also way down to normal levels.

Numbers are not being fudged and I'm quite proficient in these statistics...the problem here is that YOU, like most I conservatives I see on the Internets are more interested Obama bitching than educating yourself in these matters.

51 percent of those that even have a job make less than 30K a year and over 35 percent of those that have a job make less than 20K a year.

Ok and whats your point? Is that good? Is that bad? How does that compare to pre-recession numbers?

The dollar doesn't buy shit anymore. This fiat currency has been devalued even more by the QE program. You can put lipstick on this pig all you want...put some eye-liner on it but at the end of the day, it's still a pig and with Barrypuppet pushing the TPP, it will make decent paying jobs even harder to find.

You are again deeply misinformed.

Inflation has been VERY LOW, and in fact during recession our problem was threat of much more serious problem of DEFLATION. So if QE did cause inflation that is actually a comment on the success of that monetary policy in keeping the interest rates at healthy level.

Compared to other currencies dollar is now more solid than I ever remember.

Ignorant? As if....I am a walking, talking encyclopedia of information. The decimation of the middle class is no accident at all. You cannot win this debate or argument. You like having sunshine pounded up your ass? Enjoy...I prefer to live in this thing we call "reality".

Thanks for the comedic relief mr.Empty-encyclopedia.

What a brain dead motherfucker you are....but then again I have yet to meet a leftard that wasn't. When leftards are in charge of something, things can't be any other thing but good and love to wear them rose colored glasses.. This fiat currency has lost 98 percent of it's purchasing power since that leftist POOS Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act. Jobs are hard to come by and what jobs there are don't pay shit....but stupid leftist fucks believe the border should be left wide open. That's why I seldom miss an opportunity to take a piss on them.

 

[Dale Smith]

http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/tab4.txt

Employment created or lost...with no "jobs saved" bullshit!

That chart show "employed"...

How do you that number of employed folks doesn't include workers who would have been laid off but weren't because their company made additional revenue (i.e., jobs saved)?

You have no clue what the Current Employment Statistics consist of...do you, Faun?

Translation: you don't know. You can't tell the difference between a company who lost an employee but gained one back ... from a company who didn't layoff an employee as planned due to an infusion of money.

Thanks for admitting what I knew you already didn't know.

Pray tell, Faun...how do you quantify the number of people who didn't lose jobs due to stimulus money? Do you not grasp how the Obama Administration realized that it was indeed impossible to estimate that number and used that to hide pathetic job creation numbers?

Jobs Created is an actual number...created from data collected through the CES...jobs saved is fiction...a number created out of thin air...usually for political cover.

It has been explained to you multiple times. Pray tell, why would anyone want to explain it to you again. You argued that it was a bad number, but five organizations well respected and with teams of economists and researchers all say the same thing. Which is that the numbers of jobs saved are VALID, and that your argument is stupid and wrong. But no matter how many times it is explained to you, it will make no difference. Because you have taken on the job of laing out the con troll talking point that jobs saved is not valid. So, lets consider:
You, oldstyle:
1. Are a food services employee who does not work with unemployment in any way.
2. Have no economics background.
3. Are a con troll, well proven.
4. Lie continuously.
5. Have NO sources to back you up and that you have linked to.
So, there is no reason for anyone to believe what you say. And for that reason, no one does believe what you say.
On the other hand, each of the five sources which you lost the argument to:
1. Have professional economic teams.
2. Have Researchers.
3. Are proudly impartial always.
4. As a result have respected records for their statements.
5. Never, ever lie under any circumstances.
6. Have NO agenda.
7. Provide valid reasons for what they say.
So, there is every reason to believe what these organization say. And for that reason, all rational people believe what they say.
So, again, you are, technically, FULL OF SHIT. Found to be pushing con talking points. Are LYING. Are a waste of space.[/QUOTE]



Awwwww, "me leftard" seems to be a tad butthurt this mornimgh.....(snicker)

 

[AntonToo]

What a brain dead motherfucker you are....but then again I have yet to meet a leftard that wasn't. When leftards are in charge of something, things can't be any other thing but good and love to wear them rose colored glasses.. This fiat currency has lost 98 percent of it's purchasing power since that leftist POOS Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act. Jobs are hard to come by and what jobs there are don't pay shit....but stupid leftist fucks believe the border should be left wide open. That's why I seldom miss an opportunity to take a piss on them.

insult, assert, assert, insult, assert, substantiate nothing. Not impressive, not at all.

Btw since Woodrow Wilson, America became worlds top economic superpower. Did you know that?

 

[Dale Smith]

What a brain dead motherfucker you are....but then again I have yet to meet a leftard that wasn't. When leftards are in charge of something, things can't be any other thing but good and love to wear them rose colored glasses.. This fiat currency has lost 98 percent of it's purchasing power since that leftist POOS Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act. Jobs are hard to come by and what jobs there are don't pay shit....but stupid leftist fucks believe the border should be left wide open. That's why I seldom miss an opportunity to take a piss on them.

insult, assert, assert, insult, assert, substantiate nothing. Not impressive, not at all.

Btw since Woodrow Wilson, America became worlds top economic superpower. Did you know that?

Because they have a printing press that never stops? The dollar is about to lose it's place as the world's reserve currency and stupid fucks like you are going to be scratching your head trying to figure out what happened....but I am sure you will find someone to blame other than a leftard. There is going to be a huge crash and it could be any day. BTW,your beloved "gubermint" is incorporated.

 

[AntonToo]

Because they have a printing press that never stops? The dollar is about to lose it's place as the world's reserve currency and stupid fucks like you are going to be scratching your head trying to figure out what happened....but I am sure you will find someone to blame other than a leftard. There is going to be a huge crash and it could be any day. BTW,your beloved "gubermint" is incorporated.

Could be any day, could be never, right Dale? You just don't know much of anything to say either way.

Say, were you predicting that in years 2001-2007 too? because in 2008 there actually was a huge crash. So you can go ahead and gloat to us about how you were the smart cookie that totally called it.

 

[Rshermr]

No, dumb ass...but they are counting those that are working part-time as being "employed". The numbers are being fudged and if you can't see that, then YOU are the ignorant one.

Why do you call people dumb ass when you say dumb ass things?

Part time jobs are in fact jobs and are appropriately reflected in unemployment called U3 measure (official unemployment most commonly used).

Underemployment, which counts those that have part time but WANT full time is called U6, which is also way down to normal levels.

Numbers are not being fudged and I'm quite proficient in these statistics...the problem here is that YOU, like most I conservatives I see on the Internets are more interested Obama bitching than educating yourself in these matters.

51 percent of those that even have a job make less than 30K a year and over 35 percent of those that have a job make less than 20K a year.

Ok and whats your point? Is that good? Is that bad? How does that compare to pre-recession numbers?

The dollar doesn't buy shit anymore. This fiat currency has been devalued even more by the QE program. You can put lipstick on this pig all you want...put some eye-liner on it but at the end of the day, it's still a pig and with Barrypuppet pushing the TPP, it will make decent paying jobs even harder to find.

You are again deeply misinformed.

Inflation has been VERY LOW, and in fact during recession our problem was threat of much more serious problem of DEFLATION. So if QE did cause inflation that is actually a comment on the success of that monetary policy in keeping the interest rates at healthy level.

Compared to other currencies dollar is now more solid than I ever remember.

Ignorant? As if....I am a walking, talking encyclopedia of information. The decimation of the middle class is no accident at all. You cannot win this debate or argument. You like having sunshine pounded up your ass? Enjoy...I prefer to live in this thing we call "reality".

Thanks for the comedic relief mr.Empty-encyclopedia.

What a brain dead motherfucker you are....but then again I have yet to meet a leftard that wasn't. When leftards are in charge of something, things can't be any other thing but good and love to wear them rose colored glasses.. This fiat currency has lost 98 percent of it's purchasing power since that leftist POOS Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act. Jobs are hard to come by and what jobs there are don't pay shit....but stupid leftist fucks believe the border should be left wide open. That's why I seldom miss an opportunity to take a piss on them.

[/QUOTE]

So, the congenital idiot Smith makes a bunch of half baked statements:
What a brain dead motherfucker you are.
Dale, looking in a mirror, accurately calling himself a brain dead motherfucker.

but then again I have yet to meet a leftard that wasn't.
So, Dale has never et a leftard. Which makes sense, since there is no such thing. Poor clown.

When leftards are in charge of something, things can't be any other thing but good and love to wear them rose colored glasses..
The poor congenital idiot here simply proved that he can not form a sentence. He needs a remedial english class, poor clown.

This fiat currency has lost 98 percent of it's purchasing power since that leftist POOS Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act.
And here we get his talking point that he got from one of the delusional nut case heroes of his, and making no logical sense.

Jobs are hard to come by and what jobs there are don't pay shit.
Here, we have two "thoughts" from poor Dale's clouded mind. One, that jobs are hard to find. Though he has not noticed that at 5% jobs are not that hard. But then, he thinks the ue rate is 600% or something. Second, he has noticed that the jobs pay in money and not shit, which is a good thing.

but stupid leftist fucks believe the border should be left wide open.
Here he looses concentration and changes subjects. He now mistakenly thinks one of our borders, god knows which one, is wide open. Poor delusional idiot.


That's why I seldom miss an opportunity to take a piss on them.
And here he shows himself suffering from a delusion about pissing on leftists. But, of course, he has never done so, or he would have had his ass kicked. For good reason.

So, there we have it, the delusional mind of a brain dead con troll with no ability to make rational thoughts and post them. Just another congenital idiot.

 

[Dale Smith]

Because they have a printing press that never stops? The dollar is about to lose it's place as the world's reserve currency and stupid fucks like you are going to be scratching your head trying to figure out what happened....but I am sure you will find someone to blame other than a leftard. There is going to be a huge crash and it could be any day. BTW,your beloved "gubermint" is incorporated.

Could be any day, could be never, right Dale? You just don't know much of anything to say either way.

Say, were you predicting that in years 2001-2007 too? because in 2008 there actually was a huge crash. So you can go ahead and gloat to us about how you were the smart cookie that totally called it.

Political parties don't mean shit....both bought and paid for because the American "gubermint" is incorporated. USA.INC has around 185,000 subsidiaries./ How can you not know this???

 

[AntonToo]

Because they have a printing press that never stops? The dollar is about to lose it's place as the world's reserve currency and stupid fucks like you are going to be scratching your head trying to figure out what happened....but I am sure you will find someone to blame other than a leftard. There is going to be a huge crash and it could be any day. BTW,your beloved "gubermint" is incorporated.

Could be any day, could be never, right Dale? You just don't know much of anything to say either way.

Say, were you predicting that in years 2001-2007 too? because in 2008 there actually was a huge crash. So you can go ahead and gloat to us about how you were the smart cookie that totally called it.

Political parties don't mean shit....both bought and paid for because the American "gubermint" is incorporated. USA.INC has around 185,000 subsidiaries./ How can you not know this???

But yet you do not deny that your dire predictions didn't begin until certain someone got into White House.

 

[Oldstyle]

So you can't name them...but it's a FACT that Obama did have policies that created jobs? I'm curious, Anton...when you make arguments like that...is there anyone that doesn't laugh?

Yup. I don't laugh because while you lie like a rug, Anton never lies. Ever. Because you know that you are lying, I don't think you have anything to laugh about. that would be you lying again.
First, Oldstyle, you have promised months ago to provide bills that republicans have brought forward to combat the disaster known as the Great Republican Recession of 2008. You promised, and then failed to do so. So, was it simply another lie of yours?

Second, you have been shown many times the numbers, in the millions, of jobs that obama has been responsible for saving and creating.

Third. You have been unable to find a single job bill by Republicans, so at this point we know it was Obama Millions of jobs saved and created, Republicans 0 jobs. That's Zero.

Fourth, you are LYING again when you quote the $800 Billion number. As you have been shown, it was $500 Billion in stimulus, and a couple hundred Billion in tax decreases that Republicans put in the Stimulus (and then voted against).

Really, oldstyle, you lie so much your posts are a waste of space.

Republicans congratulate Republican governors for the economic recovery they deny is happening because they don't want to give Obama any credit. How do you take someone who does this seriously? And if the economy were as bad as Republicans say why aren't republicans governors worried about their jobs? Michigan gov GOP Rick Snyder poisoned us with lead and he still has his job.

Bush has zero to do with this economic recovery. For once Republicans can't try to credit the previous administration for a Democrats success

Actually, I think they will try. Because we have so many stupid people out there. And con trolls like Oldstyle simply blatantly lying all the time.

Wasn't Bush responsible for TARP?

Oh, I'm sorry...I keep forgetting in "Georgie World" Bush gets all of the blame and none of the credit...while Barry gets none of the blame and all of the credit!

Georgie? Barry? You always come along to cement what I say. Using your little childish names based on your juvenile brain to prove you are an agenda driven con troll.
Thanks again for proving you have no class. No integrity. Nothing but anger.[/QUOTE]

I point out that you've once again lied when you say that Bush had zero to do with this economic recovery...and your "comeback" rebuttal is that I'm childish for calling you Georgie? LOL I call you Georgie...you putz...because you pretend to be something you're obviously not. Every single time you post here pretending to have a degree in economics you prove that you have no integrity yet here you are spouting off about others not having it? You're a joke.

 

[Oldstyle]

That chart show "employed"...

How do you that number of employed folks doesn't include workers who would have been laid off but weren't because their company made additional revenue (i.e., jobs saved)?

You have no clue what the Current Employment Statistics consist of...do you, Faun?

Translation: you don't know. You can't tell the difference between a company who lost an employee but gained one back ... from a company who didn't layoff an employee as planned due to an infusion of money.

Thanks for admitting what I knew you already didn't know.

Pray tell, Faun...how do you quantify the number of people who didn't lose jobs due to stimulus money? Do you not grasp how the Obama Administration realized that it was indeed impossible to estimate that number and used that to hide pathetic job creation numbers?

Jobs Created is an actual number...created from data collected through the CES...jobs saved is fiction...a number created out of thin air...usually for political cover.

It has been explained to you multiple times. Pray tell, why would anyone want to explain it to you again. You argued that it was a bad number, but five organizations well respected and with teams of economists and researchers all say the same thing. Which is that the numbers of jobs saved are VALID, and that your argument is stupid and wrong. But no matter how many times it is explained to you, it will make no difference. Because you have taken on the job of laing out the con troll talking point that jobs saved is not valid. So, lets consider:
You, oldstyle:
1. Are a food services employee who does not work with unemployment in any way.
2. Have no economics background.
3. Are a con troll, well proven.
4. Lie continuously.
5. Have NO sources to back you up and that you have linked to.
So, there is no reason for anyone to believe what you say. And for that reason, no one does believe what you say.
On the other hand, each of the five sources which you lost the argument to:
1. Have professional economic teams.
2. Have Researchers.
3. Are proudly impartial always.
4. As a result have respected records for their statements.
5. Never, ever lie under any circumstances.
6. Have NO agenda.
7. Provide valid reasons for what they say.
So, there is every reason to believe what these organization say. And for that reason, all rational people believe what they say.
So, again, you are, technically, FULL OF SHIT. Found to be pushing con talking points. Are LYING. Are a waste of space.

Awwwww, "me leftard" seems to be a tad butthurt this mornimgh.....(snicker)[/QUOTE]

Rshermr posts in blue because he thinks it makes his arguments more convincing. The more blue you see...the more bullshit the board's biggest bullshit artist is shoveling!

 

[sealybobo]

Hilarious when it's counting the deficits it's nothing but - OBAMA SPENT LIKE DRUNKEN SAILOR!
When it's counting the jobs that spending bought it's - ANYBODY woulda done it! He didn't do nothing special!


Well leave it to you to make IRRELEVANT arguments. It doesn't matter who-woulda-coulda. Fact is Obama DID. So when you say he DIDN"T pass job creating policies, you are WRONG.

Since you haven't been able to provide anything resembling what you would consider GOOD NUMBERS on how many jobs 800 billion dollars caused we can safely ignore your BS ramblings.

So you can't name them...but it's a FACT that Obama did have policies that created jobs? I'm curious, Anton...when you make arguments like that...is there anyone that doesn't laugh?

Yup. I don't laugh because while you lie like a rug, Anton never lies. Ever. Because you know that you are lying, I don't think you have anything to laugh about. that would be you lying again.
First, Oldstyle, you have promised months ago to provide bills that republicans have brought forward to combat the disaster known as the Great Republican Recession of 2008. You promised, and then failed to do so. So, was it simply another lie of yours?

Second, you have been shown many times the numbers, in the millions, of jobs that obama has been responsible for saving and creating.

Third. You have been unable to find a single job bill by Republicans, so at this point we know it was Obama Millions of jobs saved and created, Republicans 0 jobs. That's Zero.

Fourth, you are LYING again when you quote the $800 Billion number. As you have been shown, it was $500 Billion in stimulus, and a couple hundred Billion in tax decreases that Republicans put in the Stimulus (and then voted against).

Really, oldstyle, you lie so much your posts are a waste of space.

Republicans congratulate Republican governors for the economic recovery they deny is happening because they don't want to give Obama any credit. How do you take someone who does this seriously? And if the economy were as bad as Republicans say why aren't republicans governors worried about their jobs? Michigan gov GOP Rick Snyder poisoned us with lead and he still has his job.

Bush has zero to do with this economic recovery. For once Republicans can't try to credit the previous administration for a Democrats success

Actually, I think they will try. Because we have so many stupid people out there. And con trolls like Oldstyle simply blatantly lying all the time.

Wasn't Bush responsible for TARP?

Oh, I'm sorry...I keep forgetting in "Georgie World" Bush gets all of the blame and none of the credit...while Barry gets none of the blame and all of the credit![/QUOTE]
You think tarp was a good thing? It was what the bankers said we must do or else. And that's what you give credit for? That's like crediting the bank robber for the robbery. Omg!

And btw bush wanted to give the money to the banks no strings attached. That's why Elizabeth Warren is so popular. She put an end to that bs

 

[Dale Smith]

Because they have a printing press that never stops? The dollar is about to lose it's place as the world's reserve currency and stupid fucks like you are going to be scratching your head trying to figure out what happened....but I am sure you will find someone to blame other than a leftard. There is going to be a huge crash and it could be any day. BTW,your beloved "gubermint" is incorporated.

Could be any day, could be never, right Dale? You just don't know much of anything to say either way.

Say, were you predicting that in years 2001-2007 too? because in 2008 there actually was a huge crash. So you can go ahead and gloat to us about how you were the smart cookie that totally called it.

Political parties don't mean shit....both bought and paid for because the American "gubermint" is incorporated. USA.INC has around 185,000 subsidiaries./ How can you not know this???

But yet you do not deny that your dire predictions didn't begin until certain someone got into White House.

LIKE I said earlier....political parties don't matter.