US solar energy company puts indefinite hold on new investment after DrumpF tariffs

[Rustic]

Al Gore defends Trump, says he's not to blame for tariffs on solar panels

Al Gore defends Trump, says he's not to blame for tariffs on solar panels

Gore is correct. The BS started long ago by the GOP. "Made In America" SCAM.
The Great Douche used the DOPers, with this Orginal SCAM by the GOP!
Calling it again by another name...MAGA by raygoon Stolen For Reuse..

btw: It's not that I'm not for this, to make it here. I just don't agree on how to fix it, with others.
The Great Douche Scam, MAGA!, is not a valid plan. THE GREAT DOUCHE IS ALL BULL CRAP!
I look at this, from a bigger, more informed picture of real facts. Favoring the lower
80% of the USA, even anal red states.for their stupid BS!

You keep your renewables if you like them so much, don’t expect anyone else to jump in. Fucking cowardly control freak

 

[Baz Ares]

Al Gore defends Trump, says he's not to blame for tariffs on solar panels

Al Gore defends Trump, says he's not to blame for tariffs on solar panels

Gore is correct. The BS started long ago by the GOP. "Made In America" SCAM.
The Great Douche used the DOPers, with this Orginal SCAM by the GOP!
Calling it again by another name...MAGA by raygoon Stolen For Reuse..

btw: It's not that I'm not for this, to make it here. I just don't agree on how to fix it, with others.
The Great Douche Scam, MAGA!, is not a valid plan. THE GREAT DOUCHE IS ALL BULL CRAP!
I look at this, from a bigger, more informed picture of real facts. Favoring the lower
80% of the USA, even anal red states.for their stupid BS!

You keep your renewables if you like them so much, don’t expect anyone else to jump in. Fucking cowardly control freak

Coal is DEAD. As are the LOSER diggers living off that income.


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[percysunshine]

Tariffs are stupid.

 

[Baz Ares]

Tariffs are stupid.

I hope MAGA BS by the Great Douche starts a YUGE tariff war soon.
I want the DOPers to explain why this MAGA.

President’s Decision on Solar Tariffs is a Loss for America | SEIA

 

[percysunshine]

Subsidizing solar power is also stupid.

 

[Baz Ares]

Subsidizing solar power is also stupid.

We Subsidize Oil, Coal, LNG, Wind, Nuclear, and Framers.
Solar wants help.
Your point?

 

[percysunshine]

Subsidizing solar power is also stupid.

We Subsidize Oil, Coal, LNG, Wind, Nuclear, and Framers.
Solar wants help.
Your point?

Actually, we do not subsidize all of those, only some of them (W,N,F). The subsidies distort markets and mask price signals between consumers and producers. The result, same as tariffs, is inefficiency and waste. Too much energy going to the wrong places, too much pollution, too much cronyism in government picking winners and losers in what should be free markets.....Stupid.

 

[Old Rocks]

Tariffs will hurt the industry, because even with child-labor and poor industry quality control from China, on top of Billion$ in annual subsidies, on top of Billion$ in government mandated consumption of solar at the state and local level, solar doesn't come close to competing with natural gas in either cost, reliability, or efficiency.

The bottom line: nothing even comes close to the energy density of oil and natural gas.

PS- I have solar on my house

At present. Also, you have the problem of the limits of the Carnot or Otto cycles. Whereas EV's can be over 90% efficient. And the solar panels do not have have the same efficiency as the natural gas plants or coal plants, although they are rapidly approaching those efficiency levels. The new solid state batteries in the lab setting are exceeding the lithium ion energy densities by several factors. Even with sodium. So, with the limits of the Carnot Cycle, and the increased energy density of the batteries, we may see where the actual usable energy in the batteries will soon exceed that of gasoline or diesel.

 

[Baz Ares]

Subsidizing solar power is also stupid.

We Subsidize Oil, Coal, LNG, Wind, Nuclear, and Framers.
Solar wants help.
Your point?

Actually, we do not subsidize all of those, only some of them (W,N,F). The subsidies distort markets and mask price signals between consumers and producers. The result, same as tariffs, is inefficiency and waste. Too much energy going to the wrong places, too much pollution, too much cronyism in government picking winners and losers in what should be free markets.....Stupid.

Coal.
Coal: A Long History of Subsidies | Taxpayers for Common Sense..
Since 1950, the federal government has provided the coal industry with more than $70 billion (in constant 2007 dollars) in tax breaks and subsidies.
Trump wants subsidies for coal companies, not health insurers - CNNPolitics
Allocation of subsidies in the United States

1. Renewable energy: $7.3 billion (45 percent)
2. Energy efficiency: $4.8 billion (29 percent)
3. Fossil fuels: $3.2 billion (20 percent)
4. Nuclear energy: $1.1 billion (7 percent)

and FFS! LOSER Farmers
"American farm subsidies are egregiously expensive, harvesting $20 billion a year from taxpayers' pockets"

Yes, Wind gets theirs.as well, some 5-8 Billion
Wind-Energy Sector Gets $176 Billion Worth of Crony Capitalism

btw: This does work now. This ends coal.

H2 Energy Offers Affordable Hydrogen Generator For Home Use - The Green Optimistic

 

[Old Rocks]

Tariffs will hurt the industry, because even with child-labor and poor industry quality control from China, on top of Billion$ in annual subsidies, on top of Billion$ in government mandated consumption of solar at the state and local level, solar doesn't come close to competing with natural gas in either cost, reliability, or efficiency.

The bottom line: nothing even comes close to the energy density of oil and natural gas.

PS- I have solar on my house

I have Solar too. Pisses me off I can't sell back to the
electric company all I make, during the day. In my area.
Would put more panels in to turn a profit. Both Oil and
our electric companies are working against.
But oil has always stopped solar growth.
I could run my NG Generator, it costs less
than Electric rates.

Time to buy some Powerwalls. Then tell the utility to get their damned wires off the property. Enough people do this, and they will begin to look at homeowners with solar as potential peak power generators. Some utilities in Europe are already doing that.

"Elections have , um, consequences"
-Saint Barack

"If, you, uh, don't like it, well, um, go out and, uh, win some elections"
- Saint Obama

Man don't we love rubbing this shit in their face.......

I'm having so much fun.....

Loving all the sad faces on cnn and msnbc

Life is good...

WINNING...

Kiss our asses you crazy whack job liberals.

2018

 

[Old Rocks]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

The issue here is with progress. He's going backwards to try and create jobs.

Coal mining jobs. Damn, Thatcher was getting rid of coal mining jobs in the UK in the 1980s. China's trying to get rid of coal mining. Trump wants coal mining. Probably makes him feel superior because he's not the idiot risking his life down a dark hole.

If you lived in coal mining country you would think Different you silly motherfucker

If I lived in coal mining country, I would move the hell out. I don't ever intend to live in a rural shithole. That is the poorest, least educated area in the US.

 

[Old Rocks]

Tariffs will hurt the industry, because even with child-labor and poor industry quality control from China, on top of Billion$ in annual subsidies, on top of Billion$ in government mandated consumption of solar at the state and local level, solar doesn't come close to competing with natural gas in either cost, reliability, or efficiency.

The bottom line: nothing even comes close to the energy density of oil and natural gas.

PS- I have solar on my house

I have Solar too. Pisses me off I can't sell back to the
electric company all I make, during the day. In my area.
Would put more panels in to turn a profit. Both Oil and
our electric companies are working against.
But oil has always stopped solar growth.
I could run my NG Generator, it costs less
than Electric rates.

Na, Renewables are not reliable, cost-effective and the bandit enough yet. There is no hurry let them do it the old fashion way - over time

Cheap Renewables Keep Pushing Fossil Fuels Further Away From Profitability - Despite Trump's Efforts

Renewables are not only cheaper than fossil fuels, they are continuing to come down in price. They are starting to retire coal fired plants that still have life in them simply because it is cheaper to put in wind or solar than keep the coal fired plants running. Not only that, the proven ability of grid scale batteries to supplement grid stability will make renewables even more attractive.

 

[percysunshine]

Subsidizing solar power is also stupid.

We Subsidize Oil, Coal, LNG, Wind, Nuclear, and Framers.
Solar wants help.
Your point?

Actually, we do not subsidize all of those, only some of them (W,N,F). The subsidies distort markets and mask price signals between consumers and producers. The result, same as tariffs, is inefficiency and waste. Too much energy going to the wrong places, too much pollution, too much cronyism in government picking winners and losers in what should be free markets.....Stupid.

Coal.
Coal: A Long History of Subsidies | Taxpayers for Common Sense..
Since 1950, the federal government has provided the coal industry with more than $70 billion (in constant 2007 dollars) in tax breaks and subsidies.
Trump wants subsidies for coal companies, not health insurers - CNNPolitics
Allocation of subsidies in the United States

1. Renewable energy: $7.3 billion (45 percent)
2. Energy efficiency: $4.8 billion (29 percent)
3. Fossil fuels: $3.2 billion (20 percent)
4. Nuclear energy: $1.1 billion (7 percent)

and FFS! LOSER Farmers
"American farm subsidies are egregiously expensive, harvesting $20 billion a year from taxpayers' pockets"

I would challenge the source calling tax law that applies across industries as being a subsidy. A subsidy is a preference to one group of producers within an industrial sector. It distorts markets. Congress does this stuff all the time, but the coal examples are not subsidies.

 

[Deno]

Tariffs will hurt the industry, because even with child-labor and poor industry quality control from China, on top of Billion$ in annual subsidies, on top of Billion$ in government mandated consumption of solar at the state and local level, solar doesn't come close to competing with natural gas in either cost, reliability, or efficiency.

The bottom line: nothing even comes close to the energy density of oil and natural gas.

PS- I have solar on my house

I have Solar too. Pisses me off I can't sell back to the
electric company all I make, during the day. In my area.
Would put more panels in to turn a profit. Both Oil and
our electric companies are working against.
But oil has always stopped solar growth.
I could run my NG Generator, it costs less
than Electric rates.

Time to buy some Powerwalls. Then tell the utility to get their damned wires off the property. Enough people do this, and they will begin to look at homeowners with solar as potential peak power generators. Some utilities in Europe are already doing that.

"Elections have , um, consequences"
-Saint Barack

"If, you, uh, don't like it, well, um, go out and, uh, win some elections"
- Saint Obama

Man don't we love rubbing this shit in their face.......

I'm having so much fun.....

Loving all the sad faces on cnn and msnbc

Life is good...

WINNING...

Kiss our asses you crazy whack job liberals.

2018

2018.......

You are in for another ass whipping from Trump......

Can't wait to see you catching your hair

on fire and jumping off bridges and shit....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why would that put a hold on em?
I'd think that it would make American made panels more competitive and provide jobs for Americans.

 

[Rustic]

Tariffs will hurt the industry, because even with child-labor and poor industry quality control from China, on top of Billion$ in annual subsidies, on top of Billion$ in government mandated consumption of solar at the state and local level, solar doesn't come close to competing with natural gas in either cost, reliability, or efficiency.

The bottom line: nothing even comes close to the energy density of oil and natural gas.

PS- I have solar on my house

I have Solar too. Pisses me off I can't sell back to the
electric company all I make, during the day. In my area.
Would put more panels in to turn a profit. Both Oil and
our electric companies are working against.
But oil has always stopped solar growth.
I could run my NG Generator, it costs less
than Electric rates.

Na, Renewables are not reliable, cost-effective and the bandit enough yet. There is no hurry let them do it the old fashion way - over time

Cheap Renewables Keep Pushing Fossil Fuels Further Away From Profitability - Despite Trump's Efforts

Renewables are not only cheaper than fossil fuels, they are continuing to come down in price. They are starting to retire coal fired plants that still have life in them simply because it is cheaper to put in wind or solar than keep the coal fired plants running. Not only that, the proven ability of grid scale batteries to supplement grid stability will make renewables even more attractive.

Like I said I have no problem with renewables, when their time comes that’s fine they just don’t viable yet. There’s no hurry

 

[Baz Ares]

Subsidizing solar power is also stupid.

We Subsidize Oil, Coal, LNG, Wind, Nuclear, and Framers.
Solar wants help.
Your point?

Actually, we do not subsidize all of those, only some of them (W,N,F). The subsidies distort markets and mask price signals between consumers and producers. The result, same as tariffs, is inefficiency and waste. Too much energy going to the wrong places, too much pollution, too much cronyism in government picking winners and losers in what should be free markets.....Stupid.

Coal.
Coal: A Long History of Subsidies | Taxpayers for Common Sense..
Since 1950, the federal government has provided the coal industry with more than $70 billion (in constant 2007 dollars) in tax breaks and subsidies.
Trump wants subsidies for coal companies, not health insurers - CNNPolitics
Allocation of subsidies in the United States

1. Renewable energy: $7.3 billion (45 percent)
2. Energy efficiency: $4.8 billion (29 percent)
3. Fossil fuels: $3.2 billion (20 percent)
4. Nuclear energy: $1.1 billion (7 percent)

and FFS! LOSER Farmers
"American farm subsidies are egregiously expensive, harvesting $20 billion a year from taxpayers' pockets"

I would challenge the source calling tax law that applies across industries as being a subsidy. A subsidy is a preference to one group of producers within an industrial sector. It distorts markets. Congress does this stuff all the time, but the coal examples are not subsidies.

Friendly policies keep US oil and coal afloat far more than we thought

Most energy subsidies go not to renewables but to producing more of the dirty stuff.
In the 2015-2016 election cycle, oil, gas, and coal companies spent $354 million in campaign contributions and lobbying and received $29.4 billion in federal subsidies in total over those same years — an 8,200% return on investment.

 

[ABikerSailor]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why would that put a hold on em?
I'd think that it would make American made panels more competitive and provide jobs for Americans.

It puts a hold on them because with the 30 percent tariff, a solar panel that used to cost 100 bucks will now cost 130, making them more expensive. If they are more expensive to install, fewer people will be installing them.

And, current solar panel manufacturers in America only make about 15 percent of the current market, meaning that there aren't enough manufacturers to keep up with the gap left by taxing foreign solar panels.

If people aren't buying, then they also don't need people who install the panels. The jobs that are currently here in the US for solar are mainly those for the people who install and maintain them, not the ones who make them.

And yeah, it would open up the US market for US manufacturers, but how many investors do you currently know that are willing to invest in a brand new solar panel factory?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Republicans are the party of massive tariffs and subsidies

 

[toobfreak]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why don't they make their own solar panels?

Saw this on VICE News the other day. And, the reason we don't have many American made solar panels is because there aren't that many companies here that make them. I think American solar panels are only about 15 percent of the market.

And, putting a 30 percent tariff on foreign solar panels (where most are made anyway), will only drive the cost up for the consumer, because the companies will simply pass the tariff off to the customer. What used to cost 100 bucks is now 130, and because of that, many will opt to not use solar power because it will be more expensive again. And just when solar was getting ready to seriously compete with other forms of energy.

And, when people quit installing solar panels, there will be fewer workers required to install them, resulting in a lot of jobs being lost. And those aren't jobs that are outsourced to other countries, those are American jobs being lost.

Yeah..............you can tell Trump I'm tired of his "winning".

Only temporarily. Markets abhor a vacuum and now there is greater incentive to make the panels HERE. American made, better panels, similar costs and more work for everyone.