A Brief Lesson on Tariffs

[Cellblock2429]

Earlier this year Trump announced a big ol' MAGA tariff on solar panels imported from China. This was great news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $1 billion in investment and job hires! However, this was bad news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $2.5 billion in investment and jobs losses. Thank you for joining me, in today's brief lesson on tariffs.

Billions in U.S. solar projects shelved after Trump panel tariff

He hates solar power to begin with, and would rather help his political allies, even if it raises gas prices in the U.S.
Trump Iran sanctions just gave Saudi Arabia and Russia more clout in the oil market, so watch for higher prices

Uhm The only way to save the planet is to have high gas prices ..buy a damn electric car.

/——/ My brother has a Prius and is recharged by a gas engine. We just drive it to have dinner. Straight electrics are recharged by fossil fuel power plants you nimrod

 

[Cellblock2429]

Earlier this year Trump announced a big ol' MAGA tariff on solar panels imported from China. This was great news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $1 billion in investment and job hires! However, this was bad news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $2.5 billion in investment and jobs losses. Thank you for joining me, in today's brief lesson on tariffs.

Billions in U.S. solar projects shelved after Trump panel tariff

My daughter has a $300mm solar business
They have had lower sales but says 500 American workers lost their jobs

/——/ Libs say raise corporate taxes to save the environment. Apparently your daughter doesn’t pay enough taxes to be successful

 

[theliq]

Earlier this year Trump announced a big ol' MAGA tariff on solar panels imported from China. This was great news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $1 billion in investment and job hires! However, this was bad news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $2.5 billion in investment and jobs losses. Thank you for joining me, in today's brief lesson on tariffs.

Billions in U.S. solar projects shelved after Trump panel tariff

My daughter has a $300mm solar business
They have had lower sales but says 500 American workers lost their jobs

/——/ Libs say raise corporate taxes to save the environment. Apparently your daughter doesn’t pay enough taxes to be successful

There are some people I meet who live in the Dark AGES MENTALLY ...AND YOU Block are one of them

 

[BluesLegend]

Why the hell are solar panels manufactured abroad? The dirty little secret is that solar panels are so toxic to manufacture that "green" companies import them and get to pretend that they are friends of the environment.

Wind farms kill endangered eagles, electric car batteries are toxic beyond belief, none of these facts pull the left off msg GREEN GREEN. Out here on the left coast these morons foamed at the mouth about how paper grocery bags were killing trees. So they outlawed them and polluted the planet with like 10 trillion plastic grocery bags. After decades of plastic bag damage now they are back to paper grocery bags.

 

[Ame®icano]

If we look waaaaay back in the past, all the way to February 2016, lefties were very supportive of this:

February 22, 2016. President Barack Obama promised Monday to increase American resistance to the dumping of cheap Chinese steel, blamed for costing 12,000 workers their jobs, 2,000 in Minnesota. But ending Chinese steel imports will not happen, Obama told Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton Monday. “What is possible is making sure everyone is playing on a level playing field and that people are operating fairly,” the president said. “And, frankly, I don’t think it is any secret that China in the past has not acted fairly.

Obama pledges to fight China steel dumping

Also C-SPAN Video

You lefties are fucking hypocrites.

 

[theliq]

Why the hell are solar panels manufactured abroad? The dirty little secret is that solar panels are so toxic to manufacture that "green" companies import them and get to pretend that they are friends of the environment.

Wind farms kill endangered eagles, electric car batteries are toxic beyond belief, none of these facts pull the left off msg GREEN GREEN. Out here on the left coast these morons foamed at the mouth about how paper grocery bags were killing trees. So they outlawed them and polluted the planet with like 10 trillion plastic grocery bags. After decades of plastic bag damage now they are back to paper grocery bags.

And Coal and Pollution KILLS PEOPLE

 

[theliq]

If we look waaaaay back in the past, all the way to February 2016, lefties were very supportive of this:

February 22, 2016. President Barack Obama promised Monday to increase American resistance to the dumping of cheap Chinese steel, blamed for costing 12,000 workers their jobs, 2,000 in Minnesota. But ending Chinese steel imports will not happen, Obama told Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton Monday. “What is possible is making sure everyone is playing on a level playing field and that people are operating fairly,” the president said. “And, frankly, I don’t think it is any secret that China in the past has not acted fairly.

Obama pledges to fight China steel dumping

Also C-SPAN Video

You lefties are fucking hypocrites.

And Trump and his cronies are the people who instigated buying product from overseas

in 1964 96% of all clothing worn by Americans was made in the USA...today only 4% IS


Moreove Trump in all his building projects...USED CHINESE,KOREAN AND JAPANESE STEEL...AND USED UNER PAID ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT WORKERS...putting hard working Americans OUT OF A JOB...Amricano YOU ARE A TOTAL MORON

 

[Brain357]

They aren't buying from us because we don't have extremely cheap labor. You can't honestly think it is all about tariffs? That is funny.

Gladly:
Lessons from the 2002 Bush Steel Tariffs - Tax Foundation

The effects of higher steel prices, largely a result of the steel tariffs, led to a loss of nearly 200,000 jobs in the steel-consuming sector, a loss larger than the total employment of 187,500 in the steel-producing sector at the time. The study warns:

In making policy for the revitalization of manufacturing, including the steel industry, our conclusions suggest that the effects across the full industrial spectrum should be considered. The lessons of the impact of higher steel costs should counsel a good deal of caution when import barriers are considered.

Once again spin master read your own link, it created high paying steel manufacturing jobs .

It lost 200,000 jobs!

Low paying ones..

Manufacturing jobs. Why do you think steel jobs would pay more than the manufacturing jobs lost?

Prove it.

You really are a moron.

 

[BluesLegend]

Why the hell are solar panels manufactured abroad? The dirty little secret is that solar panels are so toxic to manufacture that "green" companies import them and get to pretend that they are friends of the environment.

Wind farms kill endangered eagles, electric car batteries are toxic beyond belief, none of these facts pull the left off msg GREEN GREEN. Out here on the left coast these morons foamed at the mouth about how paper grocery bags were killing trees. So they outlawed them and polluted the planet with like 10 trillion plastic grocery bags. After decades of plastic bag damage now they are back to paper grocery bags.

And Coal and Pollution KILLS PEOPLE

Coal kills people can you back up your wild claim?

 

[theliq]

Why the hell are solar panels manufactured abroad? The dirty little secret is that solar panels are so toxic to manufacture that "green" companies import them and get to pretend that they are friends of the environment.

Wind farms kill endangered eagles, electric car batteries are toxic beyond belief, none of these facts pull the left off msg GREEN GREEN. Out here on the left coast these morons foamed at the mouth about how paper grocery bags were killing trees. So they outlawed them and polluted the planet with like 10 trillion plastic grocery bags. After decades of plastic bag damage now they are back to paper grocery bags.

And Coal and Pollution KILLS PEOPLE

Coal kills people can you back up your wild claim?

Go to anywhere,India,China,America and all,see the pollution and the early death rates,ask any Medical Practitioner near coal mines and coal fired power stations,and get off your Lazy Ass and do some due dilligence,if you are capable,instead of asking for sites or proof,as I said,STOP BEING SO BLOODY LAZY

 

[Ame®icano]

If we look waaaaay back in the past, all the way to February 2016, lefties were very supportive of this:

February 22, 2016. President Barack Obama promised Monday to increase American resistance to the dumping of cheap Chinese steel, blamed for costing 12,000 workers their jobs, 2,000 in Minnesota. But ending Chinese steel imports will not happen, Obama told Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton Monday. “What is possible is making sure everyone is playing on a level playing field and that people are operating fairly,” the president said. “And, frankly, I don’t think it is any secret that China in the past has not acted fairly.

Obama pledges to fight China steel dumping

Also C-SPAN Video

You lefties are fucking hypocrites.

And Trump and his cronies are the people who instigated buying product from overseas

in 1964 96% of all clothing worn by Americans was made in the USA...today only 4% IS


Moreove Trump in all his building projects...USED CHINESE,KOREAN AND JAPANESE STEEL...AND USED UNER PAID ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT WORKERS...putting hard working Americans OUT OF A JOB...Amricano YOU ARE A TOTAL MORON

What THAT has to do anything with my post you replied to?

 

[Ame®icano]

So you live in fantasy land and don't have a single example of your claim, making it FALSE.

Tariffs have been tried in every way possible. To claim they haven't is just foolish. They have been around for a VERY long time. Every time it leads to less jobs!

And you realize with increased cost to steel all the products we manufacture using steel will cost more? That will make our products less competitive on the world market and exports will go down. Jobs will be lost and we will be paying more.

The tariffs are obviously working for others, since they're not buying our products.

When you say "every time leads to less jobs" how about you give an example of, that is directly associated with tariffs.

And why is China offering to buy additional $80 bill of our products if steel and aluminum tariffs are not working?

They aren't buying from us because we don't have extremely cheap labor. You can't honestly think it is all about tariffs? That is funny.

Gladly:
Lessons from the 2002 Bush Steel Tariffs - Tax Foundation

The effects of higher steel prices, largely a result of the steel tariffs, led to a loss of nearly 200,000 jobs in the steel-consuming sector, a loss larger than the total employment of 187,500 in the steel-producing sector at the time. The study warns:

In making policy for the revitalization of manufacturing, including the steel industry, our conclusions suggest that the effects across the full industrial spectrum should be considered. The lessons of the impact of higher steel costs should counsel a good deal of caution when import barriers are considered.

Can you explain what this means?

"They aren't buying from us because we don't have extremely cheap labor."

Are you that simple? They have really low labor costs, so their products are really cheap. Notice where China is:

What that has to do with what you said? Every answer you give is pure crap.

You said: "They aren't buying from us because we don't have extremely cheap labor."

We're not selling them labor, we sell the product. If you're saying our product is more expensive because our labor cost more, than why they put tariffs if our product can't sell regardless?

That's where you wrong, since our product, even with "higher" cost of labor (according to your chart, that's not true), is still competitive on their markets. Germany, along with most of Western Europe has higher manufacturing labor cost, and they can afford to buy our product, so why don't they?

Tariffs. They're protecting their manufacturing so we don't sell. Until Trump that was OK, well it's not anymore, since he's leveling the playing field and treating them the same way they're treating us.

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Of course, no reply from leftie.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Earlier this year Trump announced a big ol' MAGA tariff on solar panels imported from China. This was great news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $1 billion in investment and job hires! However, this was bad news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $2.5 billion in investment and jobs losses. Thank you for joining me, in today's brief lesson on tariffs.

Billions in U.S. solar projects shelved after Trump panel tariff

I’m trying to think why I would care about an industry that can only exist with tax payer subsidies and tax credits. We need them...why?

 

[theliq]

If we look waaaaay back in the past, all the way to February 2016, lefties were very supportive of this:

February 22, 2016. President Barack Obama promised Monday to increase American resistance to the dumping of cheap Chinese steel, blamed for costing 12,000 workers their jobs, 2,000 in Minnesota. But ending Chinese steel imports will not happen, Obama told Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton Monday. “What is possible is making sure everyone is playing on a level playing field and that people are operating fairly,” the president said. “And, frankly, I don’t think it is any secret that China in the past has not acted fairly.

Obama pledges to fight China steel dumping

Also C-SPAN Video

You lefties are fucking hypocrites.

And Trump and his cronies are the people who instigated buying product from overseas

in 1964 96% of all clothing worn by Americans was made in the USA...today only 4% IS


Moreove Trump in all his building projects...USED CHINESE,KOREAN AND JAPANESE STEEL...AND USED UNER PAID ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT WORKERS...putting hard working Americans OUT OF A JOB...Amricano YOU ARE A TOTAL MORON

What THAT has to do anything with my post you replied to?

Plenty BOZO

 

[Slyhunter]

Earlier this year Trump announced a big ol' MAGA tariff on solar panels imported from China. This was great news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $1 billion in investment and job hires! However, this was bad news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $2.5 billion in investment and jobs losses. Thank you for joining me, in today's brief lesson on tariffs.

Billions in U.S. solar projects shelved after Trump panel tariff

I’m trying to think why I would care about an industry that can only exist with tax payer subsidies and tax credits. We need them...why?

ok, example, dairy and steel.
If we were to go to war and international trade cease to exist can we exist without such products? If the answer is no, then we need to subsidize it, to keep it available, even if not profitable, in case we lose our international trade.

 

[theliq]

Earlier this year Trump announced a big ol' MAGA tariff on solar panels imported from China. This was great news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $1 billion in investment and job hires! However, this was bad news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $2.5 billion in investment and jobs losses. Thank you for joining me, in today's brief lesson on tariffs.

Billions in U.S. solar projects shelved after Trump panel tariff

I’m trying to think why I would care about an industry that can only exist with tax payer subsidies and tax credits. We need them...why?

To Cut down your power costs number1 and faze out filthy Coal Fired Power Stations for 2.....I had Solar installed 5 years ago and my bill of $640 every two months went down straight away by 60 odd%, today I pay around 5 years later on average $94 in the winter and $55 in summer...I sell to the National Grid,so I'm the big winner

 

[theliq]

The tariffs are obviously working for others, since they're not buying our products.

When you say "every time leads to less jobs" how about you give an example of, that is directly associated with tariffs.

And why is China offering to buy additional $80 bill of our products if steel and aluminum tariffs are not working?

They aren't buying from us because we don't have extremely cheap labor. You can't honestly think it is all about tariffs? That is funny.

Gladly:
Lessons from the 2002 Bush Steel Tariffs - Tax Foundation

The effects of higher steel prices, largely a result of the steel tariffs, led to a loss of nearly 200,000 jobs in the steel-consuming sector, a loss larger than the total employment of 187,500 in the steel-producing sector at the time. The study warns:

In making policy for the revitalization of manufacturing, including the steel industry, our conclusions suggest that the effects across the full industrial spectrum should be considered. The lessons of the impact of higher steel costs should counsel a good deal of caution when import barriers are considered.

Can you explain what this means?

"They aren't buying from us because we don't have extremely cheap labor."

Are you that simple? They have really low labor costs, so their products are really cheap. Notice where China is:

What that has to do with what you said? Every answer you give is pure crap.

You said: "They aren't buying from us because we don't have extremely cheap labor."

We're not selling them labor, we sell the product. If you're saying our product is more expensive because our labor cost more, than why they put tariffs if our product can't sell regardless?

That's where you wrong, since our product, even with "higher" cost of labor (according to your chart, that's not true), is still competitive on their markets. Germany, along with most of Western Europe has higher manufacturing labor cost, and they can afford to buy our product, so why don't they?

Tariffs. They're protecting their manufacturing so we don't sell. Until Trump that was OK, well it's not anymore, since he's leveling the playing field and treating them the same way they're treating us.

...

Of course, no reply from leftie.

Not Left or Right...Just a bit brighter than you BOZO

 

[Siete]

Earlier this year Trump announced a big ol' MAGA tariff on solar panels imported from China. This was great news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $1 billion in investment and job hires! However, this was bad news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $2.5 billion in investment and jobs losses. Thank you for joining me, in today's brief lesson on tariffs.

Billions in U.S. solar projects shelved after Trump panel tariff

I’m trying to think why I would care about an industry that can only exist with tax payer subsidies and tax credits. We need them...why?

ok, why?

Trump Plans to Prop Up Unprofitable Coal Plants With ‘Emergency’ Aid

Now, the Trump administration is preparing to unilaterally bestow massive subsidies on unprofitable coal companies by invoking extraordinary executive powers that can only be legally exercised in the context of a national- security emergency. As Bloomberg reports:

oh yeah, youre an idiot Trumpdrone.

 

[Slyhunter]

Earlier this year Trump announced a big ol' MAGA tariff on solar panels imported from China. This was great news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $1 billion in investment and job hires! However, this was bad news for the U.S. solar industry, who later announced $2.5 billion in investment and jobs losses. Thank you for joining me, in today's brief lesson on tariffs.

Billions in U.S. solar projects shelved after Trump panel tariff

I’m trying to think why I would care about an industry that can only exist with tax payer subsidies and tax credits. We need them...why?

ok, why?

Trump Plans to Prop Up Unprofitable Coal Plants With ‘Emergency’ Aid

Now, the Trump administration is preparing to unilaterally bestow massive subsidies on unprofitable coal companies by invoking extraordinary executive powers that can only be legally exercised in the context of a national- security emergency. As Bloomberg reports:

oh yeah, youre an idiot Trumpdrone.

I would consider this the equivalent to subsidizing the Horse and Buggy.

 

[Toro]

Tariffs are taxes. People who want higher tariffs want higher taxes.

Tariffs help the government pick winners and losers in the economy. People who want higher tariffs want the government to help pick winners and losers in the economy.

Liberals want higher taxes and to have the government help pick winners and losers in the economy.

Conservatives want lower taxes and have the government stay out of the economy.

Ergo, people who support higher tariffs are liberals and not conservatives.

This is why conservatives like Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Milton Friedman opposed tariffs.