US solar energy company puts indefinite hold on new investment after DrumpF tariffs

[ABikerSailor]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why don't they make their own solar panels?

Saw this on VICE News the other day. And, the reason we don't have many American made solar panels is because there aren't that many companies here that make them. I think American solar panels are only about 15 percent of the market.

And, putting a 30 percent tariff on foreign solar panels (where most are made anyway), will only drive the cost up for the consumer, because the companies will simply pass the tariff off to the customer. What used to cost 100 bucks is now 130, and because of that, many will opt to not use solar power because it will be more expensive again. And just when solar was getting ready to seriously compete with other forms of energy.

And, when people quit installing solar panels, there will be fewer workers required to install them, resulting in a lot of jobs being lost. And those aren't jobs that are outsourced to other countries, those are American jobs being lost.

Yeah..............you can tell Trump I'm tired of his "winning".

Only temporarily. Markets abhor a vacuum and now there is greater incentive to make the panels HERE. American made, better panels, similar costs and more work for everyone.

It may increase the incentive, but in order for the factories to fill the gap, there has to be more factories. Again, how many investors do you currently think are there to invest in a new solar panel factory?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why would that put a hold on em?
I'd think that it would make American made panels more competitive and provide jobs for Americans.

It puts a hold on them because with the 30 percent tariff, a solar panel that used to cost 100 bucks will now cost 130, making them more expensive. If they are more expensive to install, fewer people will be installing them.

And, current solar panel manufacturers in America only make about 15 percent of the current market, meaning that there aren't enough manufacturers to keep up with the gap left by taxing foreign solar panels.

If people aren't buying, then they also don't need people who install the panels. The jobs that are currently here in the US for solar are mainly those for the people who install and maintain them, not the ones who make them.

And yeah, it would open up the US market for US manufacturers, but how many investors do you currently know that are willing to invest in a brand new solar panel factory?

So all you want is your cheap solar panels and the American worker can go fuck themselves?

You liberals are always bitching about the min wage but you dont want to do anything about it if it cost YOU a few bucks,but you're perfectly okay with higher min wage if the business pays for it.
And as we all know the business won't lose a dime they'll just pass the added expense on to the consumer.

 

[Baz Ares]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why would that put a hold on em?
I'd think that it would make American made panels more competitive and provide jobs for Americans.

It puts a hold on them because with the 30 percent tariff, a solar panel that used to cost 100 bucks will now cost 130, making them more expensive. If they are more expensive to install, fewer people will be installing them.

And, current solar panel manufacturers in America only make about 15 percent of the current market, meaning that there aren't enough manufacturers to keep up with the gap left by taxing foreign solar panels.

If people aren't buying, then they also don't need people who install the panels. The jobs that are currently here in the US for solar are mainly those for the people who install and maintain them, not the ones who make them.

And yeah, it would open up the US market for US manufacturers, but how many investors do you currently know that are willing to invest in a brand new solar panel factory?

USA Market share is less than 9%. Plus the ones here, import their made panels from other nations not CHINA!
All this does is import more from Taiwan.and India made ones etc. Where Douche LLC is invested in stocks
just before the announcement.
tariffs on China!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why would that put a hold on em?
I'd think that it would make American made panels more competitive and provide jobs for Americans.

It puts a hold on them because with the 30 percent tariff, a solar panel that used to cost 100 bucks will now cost 130, making them more expensive. If they are more expensive to install, fewer people will be installing them.

And, current solar panel manufacturers in America only make about 15 percent of the current market, meaning that there aren't enough manufacturers to keep up with the gap left by taxing foreign solar panels.

If people aren't buying, then they also don't need people who install the panels. The jobs that are currently here in the US for solar are mainly those for the people who install and maintain them, not the ones who make them.

And yeah, it would open up the US market for US manufacturers, but how many investors do you currently know that are willing to invest in a brand new solar panel factory?

USA Market share is less than 9%. Plus the ones here, import their made panels from other nations not CHINA!
All this does is import more from Taiwan.and India made ones etc. Where Douche LLC is invested in stocks
just before the announcement.
tariffs on China!

Well duh.
At this point it doesnt pay to manufacture them here.

 

[Baz Ares]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why would that put a hold on em?
I'd think that it would make American made panels more competitive and provide jobs for Americans.

It puts a hold on them because with the 30 percent tariff, a solar panel that used to cost 100 bucks will now cost 130, making them more expensive. If they are more expensive to install, fewer people will be installing them.

And, current solar panel manufacturers in America only make about 15 percent of the current market, meaning that there aren't enough manufacturers to keep up with the gap left by taxing foreign solar panels.

If people aren't buying, then they also don't need people who install the panels. The jobs that are currently here in the US for solar are mainly those for the people who install and maintain them, not the ones who make them.

And yeah, it would open up the US market for US manufacturers, but how many investors do you currently know that are willing to invest in a brand new solar panel factory?

USA Market share is less than 9%. Plus the ones here, import their made panels from other nations not CHINA!
All this does is import more from Taiwan.and India made ones etc. Where Douche LLC is invested in stocks
just before the announcement.
tariffs on China!

Well duh.
At this point it doesnt pay to manufacture them here.

They still won't
More profits made by CEO's if made outside and imported into the USA.
They got that BS 2017 Tax Cut that helps export more jobs.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why would that put a hold on em?
I'd think that it would make American made panels more competitive and provide jobs for Americans.

It puts a hold on them because with the 30 percent tariff, a solar panel that used to cost 100 bucks will now cost 130, making them more expensive. If they are more expensive to install, fewer people will be installing them.

And, current solar panel manufacturers in America only make about 15 percent of the current market, meaning that there aren't enough manufacturers to keep up with the gap left by taxing foreign solar panels.

If people aren't buying, then they also don't need people who install the panels. The jobs that are currently here in the US for solar are mainly those for the people who install and maintain them, not the ones who make them.

And yeah, it would open up the US market for US manufacturers, but how many investors do you currently know that are willing to invest in a brand new solar panel factory?

USA Market share is less than 9%. Plus the ones here, import their made panels from other nations not CHINA!
All this does is import more from Taiwan.and India made ones etc. Where Douche LLC is invested in stocks
just before the announcement.
tariffs on China!

Well duh.
At this point it doesnt pay to manufacture them here.

They still won't
More profits made by CEO's if made outside the USA
They got that BS 2017 Tax Cut that helps export more jobs.

Which brings us to fairer trade.

 

[Rustic]

Al Gore defends Trump, says he's not to blame for tariffs on solar panels

Al Gore defends Trump, says he's not to blame for tariffs on solar panels

Gore is correct. The BS started long ago by the GOP. "Made In America" SCAM.
The Great Douche used the DOPers, with this Orginal SCAM by the GOP!
Calling it again by another name...MAGA by raygoon Stolen For Reuse..

btw: It's not that I'm not for this, to make it here. I just don't agree on how to fix it, with others.
The Great Douche Scam, MAGA!, is not a valid plan. THE GREAT DOUCHE IS ALL BULL CRAP!
I look at this, from a bigger, more informed picture of real facts. Favoring the lower
80% of the USA, even anal red states.for their stupid BS!

You keep your renewables if you like them so much, don’t expect anyone else to jump in. Fucking cowardly control freak

Coal is DEAD. As are the LOSER diggers living off that income.


Top 5 Largest Solar Power Plants of the World | SolarInsure
The 1547MW solar power was installed in Zhongwei, Ningxia is the world’s largest solar array by far. Know as the “Great Wall of Solar” in China

Topaz Solar Farm, USA

Topaz Solar Farm is a proposed 550 megawatt (MW) solar photovoltaic power plant, to be built by First Solar, Inc. (thin film silicon solar module maker) in the Carrizo Plain, northwest of California Valley at a cost of over $1 billion. On August 14, 2008, Pacific Gas and Electric announced an agreement to buy all the power from the power plant.


Project Location Map
Major Solar Projects List | SEIA
See the locations of the major solar systems identified by this research on our interactive map.

renewables do not work up here in the northern plain states... we will continue to count on oil, coal and natural gas as we always have done and will continue too do. jack weed

 

[Rustic]

Subsidizing solar power is also stupid.

We Subsidize Oil, Coal, LNG, Wind, Nuclear, and Framers.
Solar wants help.
Your point?

you help them, leave the rest of us out. it does require our participation you silly motherfucker.

 

[Rustic]

Tariffs will hurt the industry, because even with child-labor and poor industry quality control from China, on top of Billion$ in annual subsidies, on top of Billion$ in government mandated consumption of solar at the state and local level, solar doesn't come close to competing with natural gas in either cost, reliability, or efficiency.

The bottom line: nothing even comes close to the energy density of oil and natural gas.

PS- I have solar on my house

At present. Also, you have the problem of the limits of the Carnot or Otto cycles. Whereas EV's can be over 90% efficient. And the solar panels do not have have the same efficiency as the natural gas plants or coal plants, although they are rapidly approaching those efficiency levels. The new solid state batteries in the lab setting are exceeding the lithium ion energy densities by several factors. Even with sodium. So, with the limits of the Carnot Cycle, and the increased energy density of the batteries, we may see where the actual usable energy in the batteries will soon exceed that of gasoline or diesel.

use fossil fuels till they run out, no harm done. there is hundreds of years of fossil fuels left.
drill baby drill

 

[Baz Ares]

Al Gore defends Trump, says he's not to blame for tariffs on solar panels

Al Gore defends Trump, says he's not to blame for tariffs on solar panels

Gore is correct. The BS started long ago by the GOP. "Made In America" SCAM.
The Great Douche used the DOPers, with this Orginal SCAM by the GOP!
Calling it again by another name...MAGA by raygoon Stolen For Reuse..

btw: It's not that I'm not for this, to make it here. I just don't agree on how to fix it, with others.
The Great Douche Scam, MAGA!, is not a valid plan. THE GREAT DOUCHE IS ALL BULL CRAP!
I look at this, from a bigger, more informed picture of real facts. Favoring the lower
80% of the USA, even anal red states.for their stupid BS!

You keep your renewables if you like them so much, don’t expect anyone else to jump in. Fucking cowardly control freak

Coal is DEAD. As are the LOSER diggers living off that income.


Top 5 Largest Solar Power Plants of the World | SolarInsure
The 1547MW solar power was installed in Zhongwei, Ningxia is the world’s largest solar array by far. Know as the “Great Wall of Solar” in China

Topaz Solar Farm, USA

Topaz Solar Farm is a proposed 550 megawatt (MW) solar photovoltaic power plant, to be built by First Solar, Inc. (thin film silicon solar module maker) in the Carrizo Plain, northwest of California Valley at a cost of over $1 billion. On August 14, 2008, Pacific Gas and Electric announced an agreement to buy all the power from the power plant.


Project Location Map
Major Solar Projects List | SEIA
See the locations of the major solar systems identified by this research on our interactive map.

renewables do not work up here in the northern plain states... we will continue to count on oil, coal and natural gas as we always have done and will continue too do. jack weed

DANG!

 

[Rustic]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

The issue here is with progress. He's going backwards to try and create jobs.

Coal mining jobs. Damn, Thatcher was getting rid of coal mining jobs in the UK in the 1980s. China's trying to get rid of coal mining. Trump wants coal mining. Probably makes him feel superior because he's not the idiot risking his life down a dark hole.

If you lived in coal mining country you would think Different you silly motherfucker

If I lived in coal mining country, I would move the hell out. I don't ever intend to live in a rural shithole. That is the poorest, least educated area in the US.

fine, then tell people that live there what to do. you have no credibility. control freak
your is against their self interests. silly motherfucker

 

[Ame®icano]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why don't they make their own solar panels?

Saw this on VICE News the other day. And, the reason we don't have many American made solar panels is because there aren't that many companies here that make them. I think American solar panels are only about 15 percent of the market.

And, putting a 30 percent tariff on foreign solar panels (where most are made anyway), will only drive the cost up for the consumer, because the companies will simply pass the tariff off to the customer. What used to cost 100 bucks is now 130, and because of that, many will opt to not use solar power because it will be more expensive again. And just when solar was getting ready to seriously compete with other forms of energy.

And, when people quit installing solar panels, there will be fewer workers required to install them, resulting in a lot of jobs being lost. And those aren't jobs that are outsourced to other countries, those are American jobs being lost.

Yeah..............you can tell Trump I'm tired of his "winning".

Only temporarily. Markets abhor a vacuum and now there is greater incentive to make the panels HERE. American made, better panels, similar costs and more work for everyone.

It may increase the incentive, but in order for the factories to fill the gap, there has to be more factories. Again, how many investors do you currently think are there to invest in a new solar panel factory?

If there is profit to be made, there will be investors.

How many investors do you think are ready to invest if there is no profit to be made because of foreign cheap panels?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Wonder if the OP cried when the Obama administration did this?:

U.S. Imposes Steep Tariffs on Chinese Solar Panels

By Diane Cardwell

Dec. 16, 2014

U.S. Imposes Steep Tariffs on Chinese Solar Panels

 

[HenryBHough]

Clearly the way to make solar economically feasible is quite simple.

1. Let foreign dumping of solar panels go unchallenged.

2. Allow free and easy immigration for Chinese labor to install them.

That oughta satisfy the green element and soon the former American solar panel installers will starve to death so won't be voting for the nasty people who want to Make America Great Again.

 

[Baz Ares]

Wonder if the OP cried when the Obama administration did this?:

U.S. Imposes Steep Tariffs on Chinese Solar Panels

By Diane Cardwell

Dec. 16, 2014

U.S. Imposes Steep Tariffs on Chinese Solar Panels

So China made ones are still cheaper, as they are label made in another country
was applied. This Failed. But this story above is misleading.


But here with this one.
....
President Obama slapped a stiff 35% tariff on Chinese tires in 2009 after American companies complained about unfair competition. They said China was flooding America with tires at low prices making it tough for U.S. companies to compete. The tire tariff gradually waned, and finally ended in 2012.

The tariff saved 1,200 U.S. tire jobs, which had been in sharp decline. And U.S. tire production rose after a major decline.


"Over a thousand Americans are working today because we stopped a surge in Chinese tires," Obama said in his 2012 State of the Union address.


But a study from the Peterson Institute of International Economics found that the tariffs cost Americans in many other ways.

Americans paid more for tires. Some Chinese-made tires cost as much as 26% more -- rising on average to $39 per tire, from about $31. And U.S. tire makers, facing less competition from China, also raised prices on American-made tires 3.2%.

According to Peterson's model, higher prices from the tire tariff cost Americans an extra $1.1 billion, which translated to an estimated 3,731 retail jobs lost.

Plus, China fought back by imposing penalties on U.S. shipments of chicken parts. The Peterson study estimates that China's retaliation cost American chicken producers $1 billion in sales.

"Tire safeguards did not change Chinese policies in a helpful way, nor did they boost U.S. employment," wrote Gary Hufbauer, a trade expert at Peterson, who authored the report.

Indeed, the tariffs didn't bring the tire-making jobs back to previous levels -- a similar trend that's played out for the rest of U.S. manufacturing. But they did help to stem the job losses.
Welcome to PIIE


Tariff wars, always favor cheaper cost to make nations.
As they all just slap new 'made in xxx' labels on their stuff basically.
Tariffs by the USA, just makes us pay more for the same thangs..

btw: The way to fix this is to TAX @ 500% ALL OF these U.S. CEO 's
who import stuff to sell in America. Forcing them to make the shit here.
Are stuff will cost 2 times more but anythang to save jobs.
After a time the cost to us will lower.

 

[flacaltenn]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

Why don't they make their own solar panels?

Saw this on VICE News the other day. And, the reason we don't have many American made solar panels is because there aren't that many companies here that make them. I think American solar panels are only about 15 percent of the market.

And, putting a 30 percent tariff on foreign solar panels (where most are made anyway), will only drive the cost up for the consumer, because the companies will simply pass the tariff off to the customer. What used to cost 100 bucks is now 130, and because of that, many will opt to not use solar power because it will be more expensive again. And just when solar was getting ready to seriously compete with other forms of energy.

And, when people quit installing solar panels, there will be fewer workers required to install them, resulting in a lot of jobs being lost. And those aren't jobs that are outsourced to other countries, those are American jobs being lost.

Yeah..............you can tell Trump I'm tired of his "winning".

Not how things work. I don't like tariffs in general. But the Simplest way to get around a tariff is for the foreign company to manufacture here. That's actually a good compromise. And pretty smart. As Samsung has ALREADY planned and announced to do so with the tariffs going up on their heavy appliances.

 

[flacaltenn]

SunPower's decision to halt its growth in California and Texas follows President Trump's announcement Monday that a 30 percent tariff would be placed on all imported solar technologies.
President Donald Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on cheap imported panels was intended to protect American manufacturing jobs, but many in the solar industry have argued that tariffs will raise costs and trigger thousands of layoffs in the installation end of the industry.
SunPower puts U.S. expansion on hold over Trump tariff

Poor, Poor Douche. You no good at creating JOBS!
Our employed workers here, are not makers but maintenance and installers.
China makes them so cheap we can't make them here to install.
This is Big Oil fucking America.

You MIGHT want to check out the fact that Al Gore -- the Grand Bishop of GWarming -- agrees with the Donald on this one. ALSO agreeing -- the Intl Trade Commission -- which recommended STIFFER tariffs.

Al Gore Defends Trump’s Solar Tariff Decision At Davos