US unable to shoot down Yemeni missiles.

[CaptainRussia]

Biden said they were "noncombatant".

If you take one part of the Biden statement at face value then logically you have to take all of it.

US is still indirectly involved in the war. Its after all US weapons that are bombarding civilians in Yemen.

 

[Dayton3]

US is still indirectly involved in the war. Its after all US weapons that are bombarding civilians in Yemen.

Not U.S. weapons. We don't own them any more.

 

[surada]

But US troops are now stationed in Yemen, clearly US is getting frustrated with their and Saudi failures in Yemen.

How many US troops are stationed in Yemen?

 

[Mushroom]

I suppose that is what he is trying to say but what of it? It isn't like Patriot launchers in Saudi Arabia are manned by U.S. crews anymore.

And it is also a slightly different system.

Saudi Arabia has never bought the PAC-3 launcher or missiles. And they are still buying PAC-2 missiles. Those are rather antiquated, first being fielded in 1990. The US does not even use that missile anymore, having moved to GEM, GEM-T and GEM-C decades ago, and only continued to field the PAC-2 until they expired in the early 2010's. And the PAC-2 is only a slight upgrade from the original missile, and only barely suited for shooting down other missiles.

For those kinds of threats, Saudi Arabia needs to either buy the GEM-T missile (which is compatible to their current systems), or upgrade entirely to the PAC-3 system. They also have been little used as they ran through the bulk of their supply of PAC-2 missiles, and have been in negotiations for the last year on upgrading them. But Congress has been dragging it's feet in authorizing that purchase since 2021.

Earlier this year the Pentagon did send them some missiles, but it comes nowhere close to replenishing their supplies. This was just a DoD transfer of excess assets, not a "purchase".

 

[Mushroom]

US is still indirectly involved in the war. Its after all US weapons that are bombarding civilians in Yemen.

By that description, so is Russia as those in Yemen are primarily using Soviet-Russian equipment.

 

[surada]

And it is also a slightly different system.

Saudi Arabia has never bought the PAC-3 launcher or missiles. And they are still buying PAC-2 missiles. Those are rather antiquated, first being fielded in 1990. The US does not even use that missile anymore, having moved to GEM, GEM-T and GEM-C decades ago, and only continued to field the PAC-2 until they expired in the early 2010's. And the PAC-2 is only a slight upgrade from the original missile, and only barely suited for shooting down other missiles.

For those kinds of threats, Saudi Arabia needs to either buy the GEM-T missile (which is compatible to their current systems), or upgrade entirely to the PAC-3 system. They also have been little used as they ran through the bulk of their supply of PAC-2 missiles, and have been in negotiations for the last year on upgrading them. But Congress has been dragging it's feet in authorizing that purchase since 2021.

Earlier this year the Pentagon did send them some missiles, but it comes nowhere close to replenishing their supplies. This was just a DoD transfer of excess assets, not a "purchase".

How do you know they are giving these assets to the Saudis?

 

[Batcat]

Perhaps, but why is Russia STILL fighting in Ukraine?

Becasue they are beginning to turn things around.

Russia Isn't Winning in Ukraine, 'but It's No Longer Losing'

Is anyone actually winning the war in Ukraine? Are European leaders already positioning themselves for post-conflict relations with Russia? George Friedman joins the podcast to discuss all this and more.

news.gallup.com

 

[Mushroom]

How do you know they are giving these assets to the Saudis?

Behind a pay-wall, but the important part is available for all to read.

WASHINGTON—The Biden administration has transferred a significant number of Patriot antimissile interceptors to Saudi Arabia within the past month, fulfilling Riyadh’s urgent request for a resupply amid sharp tensions in the relationship, senior U.S. officials said.

The transfers sought to ensure that Saudi Arabia is adequately supplied with the defensive munitions it needs to fend off drone and missile attacks by the Iran-backed Houthi rebels in neighboring Yemen, one of the officials said.

WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Sends Patriot Missiles to Saudi Arabia, Fulfilling Urgent Request

The arms were transferred in the past month after the Saudi military sought a new supply to repel drone and missile attacks by Iran-backed Houthi rebels.

www.wsj.com

Here is another report.

The Biden administration has transferred a significant number of Patriot missiles to Saudi Arabia in the past several weeks after the country urgently requested a resupply, The Wall Street Journal reported.

The transfers, which were not formally announced but notified to Congress, are to make sure Saudi Arabia can defend itself against drone and missile attacks from the Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen, a senior U.S. official told the outlet.

While they would not specifically confirm a “significant” number of transfers, a State Department spokesman told The Hill that over the past several months the administration has “been working with Saudi Arabia and its neighbors to help them strengthen their air defenses in response to a rising number of aerial attacks from Yemen.”

US transfers Patriot missiles to Saudi Arabia

The Biden administration has transferred a significant number of Patriot missiles to Saudi Arabia in the past several weeks after the country urgently requested a resupply, The Wall Street Journal …

thehill.com

There, happy?
Also, I know they would more than likely be GEM-T, because the US has not had PAC-2 missiles for about a decade. They have a maximum shelf life of around 20 years, and the last of them were largely used up in a string of missile tests at White Sands in the early 2010's. And this is typical for how the US operates. As they grow close to their "expiration date", they are generally turned over to units for training. Seen better to fire them off in training or tests than to just destroy them.

And yes, they can be sent in and be rebuilt, but why? The PAC-2 is obsolete, replaced by newer and more advanced missiles.

When I deployed in 2009-2010, we only had a handful of the old PAC-2 left, for use against aircraft only. If our launchers were not loaded with PAC-3, it was with a mix of some leftover GEM, and a mix of GEM-T and CEM-C depending on what we thought the threat might be.

 

[surada]

Behind a pay-wall, but the important part is available for all to read.

WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Sends Patriot Missiles to Saudi Arabia, Fulfilling Urgent Request

The arms were transferred in the past month after the Saudi military sought a new supply to repel drone and missile attacks by Iran-backed Houthi rebels.

www.wsj.com

Here is another report.

US transfers Patriot missiles to Saudi Arabia

The Biden administration has transferred a significant number of Patriot missiles to Saudi Arabia in the past several weeks after the country urgently requested a resupply, The Wall Street Journal …

thehill.com

There, happy?
Also, I know they would more than likely be GEM-T, because the US has not had PAC-2 missiles for about a decade. They have a maximum shelf life of around 20 years, and the last of them were largely used up in a string of missile tests at White Sands in the early 2010's. And this is typical for how the US operates. As they grow close to their "expiration date", they are generally turned over to units for training. Seen better to fire them off in training or tests than to just destroy them.

And yes, they can be sent in and be rebuilt, but why? The PAC-2 is obsolete, replaced by newer and more advanced missiles.

When I deployed in 2009-2010, we only had a handful of the old PAC-2 left, for use against aircraft only. If our launchers were not loaded with PAC-3, it was with a mix of some leftover GEM, and a mix of GEM-T and CEM-C depending on what we thought the threat might be.

Does that mean they were given the weapons? The Houthis and Iran want control of the Bab Al Mandab and Secotra island.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Im not, because Russia is in Ukraine for that reason, because you are using Ukraine as a forward base against Russia, where US is also researchign bio weapons.

This one was captured in Kharkov just 2 days ago. Recongize him? Staff Sergeant E-6 of the CBRN. Kharkov happens to have a Bio Lab of the US military.

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Hey dumbass! The US Army has not worn that uniform in about 12 years!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Start bragging about your new aircraft career then.

What is an aircraft career?

 

[CaptainRussia]

Hey dumbass! The US Army has not worn that uniform in about 12 years!

So? Your own government funded media recently admitted US commandos are training Ukrainian soldiers in Ukraine and your Labs in Kiev and Lvov are still operating.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So? Your own government funded media recently admitted US commandos are training Ukrainian soldiers in Ukraine and your Labs in Kiev and Lvov are still operating.

What is "government funded media"? I saw your supposed article, which show people about 20 years too old to be in our special Forces. You are a joke!

 

[CaptainRussia]

What is "government funded media"? I saw your supposed article, which show people about 20 years too old to be in our special Forces. You are a joke!

Whether they still serve the army or not is irrelevant. Fact is, there are US veterans, with years if not a few decades of combat experience in Ukraine training Ukrainian soldiers and fighting as mercenaries.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Whether they still serve the army or not is irrelevant. Fact is, there are US veterans, with years if not a few decades of combat experience in Ukraine training Ukrainian soldiers and fighting as mercenaries

The only true response can be, "So what?" Your Russkis are using mercenaries to actually fight in Ukraine. Who actually cares? Are you offended by the fact that the Ukrainians regularly kick your troop's asses, despite having a mostly only a part-time military?

 

[CaptainRussia]

The only true response can be, "So what?" Your Russkis are using mercenaries to actually fight in Ukraine. Who actually cares? Are you offended by the fact that the Ukrainians regularly kick your troop's asses, despite having a mostly only a part-time military?

The "Mercenaries", being the Wagner, Chechens and Volunteers from Russia, Syria etc. make only a small percentage of the Russian forces, but they do perform great.
Why should i be offended when Russian forces are making steady gains in the Donbas and decimating Ukrainian forces. They are too tired and exhausted to fight on, the professional soldiers that die are replaced with canon fodder. Whatever weapons the US sends is either being destroyed or taken as loot.

You however, as an American, should be angry at your government for wasting billions of dollars in "Aid" and weapons into yet another lost cause.

You can throw everything you have at Russia, the outcome will be ultimately the same.
Russia won the Chechen War
Russia won the Georgian War
And Russia will win the war in Ukraine and put an end to NATOs goals in the country.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The "Mercenaries", being the Wagner, Chechens and Volunteers from Russia, Syria etc. make only a small percentage of the Russian forces, but they do perform great.
Why should i be offended when Russian forces are making steady gains in the Donbas and decimating Ukrainian forces. They are too tired and exhausted to fight on, the professional soldiers that die are replaced with canon fodder. Whatever weapons the US sends is either being destroyed or taken as loot.

You however, as an American, should be angry at your government for wasting billions of dollars in "Aid" and weapons into yet another lost cause.

You can throw everything you have at Russia, the outcome will be ultimately the same.
Russia won the Chechen War
Russia won the Georgian War
And Russia will win the war in Ukraine and put an end to NATOs goals in the country.

You still cannot. explain NATOs goals in Ukraine.

Let's face it, your wonderful Russian military that should have taken Ukraine in 3 days is now 4 months behind schedule and incurred horrific losses of men, and equipment. Your military was a paper tiger!

 

[CaptainRussia]

You still cannot. explain NATOs goals in Ukraine.

Let's face it, your wonderful Russian military that should have taken Ukraine in 3 days is now 4 months behind schedule and incurred horrific losses of men, and equipment. Your military was a paper tiger!

Why are you still insisting on a made up deadline again? Ukraine is Europes largest country and has Europes largest army (Turkey excluded).

Are you even paying attention to the news in Russia? If you stopped watching your liberal propaganda machine and get some real news about Ukraine, you will find that Russian forces are fulfilling their objectives and making steady gains in the Donbas currently while sucessfull repelling Ukrainian attacks near Kherson.
Russia already destroyed the majority of Ukraines military infrastructure, airforce, fuel depots and hardware and their best soldiers either die or surrender.
This is the first time in the 21th century that 2 modern armies are at war.

It takes much longer to defeat a country with a modern army than a third world country with outdated weapons like Iraq.

Suffice to say, your army spent 20 years in Afghanistan and you made no substantial gains against the Taliban. I do not see how the US could ever stand to a modern army like Russia or China for the matter when they cant even deal with some guerillas.

Russia already knows how to deal with those back in Chechen wars and in Syria.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why are you still insisting on a made up deadline again? Ukraine is Europes largest country and has Europes largest army (Turkey excluded).

Are you even paying attention to the news in Russia? If you stopped watching your liberal propaganda machine and get some real news about Ukraine, you will find that Russian forces are fulfilling their objectives and making steady gains in the Donbas currently while sucessfull repelling Ukrainian attacks near Kherson.
Russia already destroyed the majority of Ukraines military infrastructure, airforce, fuel depots and hardware and their best soldiers either die or surrender.
This is the first time in the 21th century that 2 modern armies are at war.

It takes much longer to defeat a country with a modern army than a third world country with outdated weapons like Iraq.

Suffice to say, your army spent 20 years in Afghanistan and you made no substantial gains against the Taliban. I do not see how the US could ever stand to a modern army like Russia or China for the matter when they cant even deal with some guerillas.

Russia already knows how to deal with those back in Chechen wars and in Syria.

Why would ever listen to Russian news, i.e propaganda?

Your post is full of it! Our intelligence operations say you are a lying sack of shit!

Iraq was the third most powerful military in the world at the time.

Comparing guerilla warfare (Afghanistan) to open field warfare like against Iraq, Russia and China is just plain stupid. How many major battles did the Taliban win against the US? ZERO!

Why does your Army suck so badly at urban warfare?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Why would ever listen to Russian news, i.e propaganda?

Your post is full of it! Our intelligence operations say you are a lying sack of shit!

Iraq was the third most powerful military in the world at the time.

Comparing guerilla warfare (Afghanistan) to open field warfare like against Iraq, Russia and China is just plain stupid. How many major battles did the Taliban win against the US? ZERO!

Why does your Army suck so badly at urban warfare?

There is a simple reason for that. WE TRY VERY HARD TO AVIOD COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Unlike the Russian Army where collateral damage is considered and advantage and is eagerly sought to terrify the enemy civilians.