Used and abused: UK's young girls

[Phoenall]

Bel Ange,

Any society which takes religion too seriously opens itself up for outside manipulation. That is why western countries encourage fundamentalist leaders in many parts of the world. They are easy to coerce and take advantage of.

It is also due to very poor and corrupt leadership in those countries that wants to keep the people at each others' throats and hating the rest of the world and blaming everyone else for their problems instead of their own corrupt leaders. This is a great way for their leaders to take attention off of the things that they are doing. Also, I believe that this is the reason why a lot of these countries have very poor education and amenities. This is how THEY want things. That is why it will never change, at least probably not in our lifetimes.

True look at the corruption in the Indian sub continent where senior officials line their pockets every chance they get, a good example of corruption is Arafat who creamed $billions from Palestinian aid and felted it away in a Swiss account. His wife now lives in luxury in France, not bad for a terrorist is it.

That was a stupid post.

But that is exactly what these dictators do. Why are they not to blame for the condition of their own countries? Why do people want to blame outside influences all the time? The condition of those countries is the fault of no one else but the people who live there and cannot seem to get along and the dictators who are controlling them.

That person is an idiot. He does not know anything about geography or geopolitics. You are welcome to take his post seriously if you wish. That is your choice.

Seems that I know a lot more than you, and you don't like seeing the facts laid out on the table.

 

[Phoenall]

Yet in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan etc. the men are marrying 9 to 11 year old girls all the time, it is part of that culture to do so. It is even commanded by their religion to have sex with very young girls, so don't try and blame the British for what is happening in your culture as well.

You are a racist and an idiot.

Since when has it been racist to speak the truth, and that is what is upsetting you the fact that you know it is the truth. Your cries of racist to suppress the truth no longer work as far too many people are checking for themselves and seeing the real islam. The one that is being RACIST is you by trying to cover up the reality of 3rd world cultures living in the 7C practising child sex abuse in the 21C

You are still a racist, bigot and an idiot.

Do show the racist comments that I have made, or retract and apologise

We have been through this before.

No we haven't, I have asked a simple question and you cant produce any evidence to support your claim. It is you that is racist when you screech racist because the person is telling the truth.

 

[Vikrant]

Bel Ange,

Any society which takes religion too seriously opens itself up for outside manipulation. That is why western countries encourage fundamentalist leaders in many parts of the world. They are easy to coerce and take advantage of.

It is also due to very poor and corrupt leadership in those countries that wants to keep the people at each others' throats and hating the rest of the world and blaming everyone else for their problems instead of their own corrupt leaders. This is a great way for their leaders to take attention off of the things that they are doing. Also, I believe that this is the reason why a lot of these countries have very poor education and amenities. This is how THEY want things. That is why it will never change, at least probably not in our lifetimes.

True look at the corruption in the Indian sub continent where senior officials line their pockets every chance they get, a good example of corruption is Arafat who creamed $billions from Palestinian aid and felted it away in a Swiss account. His wife now lives in luxury in France, not bad for a terrorist is it.

That was a stupid post.

WHY ? because it tells the truth. Even the UK government and media have commented on the fact the biggest majority of UK aid to Pakistan goes into the pockets of its leaders. Just as the world knew all about Arafat and his $millions stashed in a Swiss bank.

Now you are creating a straw man.

Yes, UK's money should be used to make the lives of people in UK better. It should not go to Pakistan or any other country. Nobody is saying anything contrary - at least I am not.

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Birmingham's first Islamic school 'spent £1m of public money on school in Pakistan'

Birmingham s first Islamic school spent 1m of public money on school in Pakistan - Education News - Education - The Independent

 

[Coyote]

^ There are lots of men who have seriously antagonistic attitude towards women. Men of this type are willing to do horrible things to women and sexual exploitation or sexual slavery is certainly not off the limit for them.

Just look at countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, where the whole country is broken up into "tribes" so to speak, and they are constantly fighting about . . . who knows what? It's been that way for what might as well be forever there and shows no signs of changing any time soon. What makes you think they can get along with anyone else?

Because when they immigrate, they often adopt western values and get along.

 

[Vikrant]

You are a racist and an idiot.

Since when has it been racist to speak the truth, and that is what is upsetting you the fact that you know it is the truth. Your cries of racist to suppress the truth no longer work as far too many people are checking for themselves and seeing the real islam. The one that is being RACIST is you by trying to cover up the reality of 3rd world cultures living in the 7C practising child sex abuse in the 21C

You are still a racist, bigot and an idiot.

Do show the racist comments that I have made, or retract and apologise

We have been through this before.

No we haven't, I have asked a simple question and you cant produce any evidence to support your claim. It is you that is racist when you screech racist because the person is telling the truth.

You have been a racist and an idiot since the day one. I have called you on it a long time ago. I do not have time to discuss same thing again and again because I have things like work and other life commitments. You have in past advocated human rights violation of people of dark skinned color by proposing to make them stateless. Go back and read your demented posts yourself.

 

[Coyote]

It seems like UK has a culture of sex with minor girls/boys. Certain immigrants from certain background simply became suppliers of that demand. So, your racism is not going to help UK. In a country where police is directed to drop charges of pedophilia against a person just because he is VIP these kind of things are bound to happen.

Yet in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan etc. the men are marrying 9 to 11 year old girls all the time, it is part of that culture to do so. It is even commanded by their religion to have sex with very young girls, so don't try and blame the British for what is happening in your culture as well.

All the time? I'd like to see some stats on that 9-11 yr old range.

Granted - child marriages are a scrouge in many societies. Religion can play a part in it but it is also heavily driven by economic factors. Girl children are not regarded as having much value, and as a result families choose to marry them off rather than educate them. Economic conditions are a HUGE driving factor with poor people marrying daughters off to settle debts or have one less mouth to feed. The fate of child brides is usually dismal.

However, your claim that 9 and 11 year olds are married off "all the time" is a bit off as is your claim that it is widely accepted. It is more common in some areas than others and in less educated, backwards rural areas than in the more educated communities. Child marriages occur among Muslims, Hindus and Christians in those cultures. Education, economic opportunities and convincing people that there is value in educating their girl children is key to putting an end to this.

Child Brides - Child Marriage What We Know . NOW PBS

Contemporary Pedophilic Islamic Marriages - WikiIslam

The Islamic faith condones pedophilia. Therefore, contemporary pedophilic Islamic marriages are common practice around the globe.

In many Islamic countries, child marriages are common practice. Girls far below the age of puberty are often forcibly married to older persons (sometimes in their 50s and later) for various personal gains by the girls' guardian or with the intention to preserve family honor by helping her avoid pre-marital sex. Pedophilic Islamic marriages are most prevalent in Pakistan and Afghanistan, followed by other countries in the Middle East and Bangladesh.[1][2] This practice may also be prevalent to a lesser extent amongst other Muslim communities, and is on the rise among the growing Muslim populations in many non-Muslim countries, such as the United Kingdom[3] and the United States



Will this do you, or will you claim it is Zionist propaganda, seeing as the source is "Sahab is a former Sunni Muslim now agnostic from South Asia who joined the wiki in April 2009 and became an administrator in 2011"

For a person that demands "unbiased sources" WikiIslam is about as biased as you can get. Nice try.

What does Zionism have to do with any of this?

Because the usual cry by those defending islam is to blame it all on the Zionists.

Zionists have nothing to do with this.
Quit pulling the antisemite card.

 

[Coyote]

Since when has it been racist to speak the truth, and that is what is upsetting you the fact that you know it is the truth. Your cries of racist to suppress the truth no longer work as far too many people are checking for themselves and seeing the real islam. The one that is being RACIST is you by trying to cover up the reality of 3rd world cultures living in the 7C practising child sex abuse in the 21C

Speaking the truth is racist when those making such an accusation do so as a deliberate attempt to ensure the situation is allowed to continue. I don't really think Vikrant is doing this, mind you, but Coyote sure is.

When hearing of Islamic men singling out vulnerable British children for sexual abuse, any sort of decent person is horrified and wants to know how the situation was allowed for so long as it was. It takes a special type of monster to show such solidarity with the perps that they devote themselves to creating the very situation that enabled it.

Coyote does not call people racist because she is simply a useful idiot. She does it quite knowingly and with full intent. This is a calculated, mindful agenda at work here, and not just the babbling of a bleeding heart whose heart bleeds for anybody but the victims. This creature does not give a rats ass about these British children -- only in making it impossible to protect them.

...still giving me so much head space? You're too funny. So now I'm some sort of evil Jihadi Islamist anti-semitic infiltrator who supports the abuse of children?

Your thought disorder gets more and more blatent the more you spew.

 

[Coyote]

Bel Ange,

Any society which takes religion too seriously opens itself up for outside manipulation. That is why western countries encourage fundamentalist leaders in many parts of the world. They are easy to coerce and take advantage of.

It is also due to very poor and corrupt leadership in those countries that wants to keep the people at each others' throats and hating the rest of the world and blaming everyone else for their problems instead of their own corrupt leaders. This is a great way for their leaders to take attention off of the things that they are doing. Also, I believe that this is the reason why a lot of these countries have very poor education and amenities. This is how THEY want things. That is why it will never change, at least probably not in our lifetimes.

True look at the corruption in the Indian sub continent where senior officials line their pockets every chance they get, a good example of corruption is Arafat who creamed $billions from Palestinian aid and felted it away in a Swiss account. His wife now lives in luxury in France, not bad for a terrorist is it.

That was a stupid post.

But that is exactly what these dictators do. Why are they not to blame for the condition of their own countries? Why do people want to blame outside influences all the time? The condition of those countries is the fault of no one else but the people who live there and cannot seem to get along and the dictators who are controlling them.

I disagree. It is far more complex then that. The conditions of those countries are built upon many factors. You can't exclude foreign interference from that list.

For example - colonialism, which really didn't end for some countries until the 1960's and 70's left a mixed legacy behind. Many colonial powers needed raw materials from those countries to ship to their own factories for value-added manufacturing. Local manufacturing industries were destroyed and the economy built primarily upon the export of raw materials or agriculture. That doesn't provide much value coming back to the people nor does it promote the growth of local industries. Add to that you have countries defined by artificial borders that force together ethnic and religious groups who have long hated each other. You can see the results of that in the Balkan states when the USSR broke apart and conflict arose. Sure you have huge amounts of corruption and democracies created without any of the necessary foundational institutions leading to life-time dictators. It doesn't help either that foreign powers like the US support those very dictators when it's in our interest. The problems are complicated.

 

[Coyote]

Do you, or do you not see the world as it really is watching it through your rose tinted spectacles from your ivory tower. There is no deliberate ,misrepresentation of the facts as the facts speak for themselves. In Scandanavian countries the muslim population is around 10% in total, yet the number of muslim rapes is over 50% of the total. Care to explain why this is and how it is a misrepresentation. The facts now are that many Europeans are not reporting rapes and serious sexual assaults as it is a complete waste of time, the culprits cry racism and are allowed to walk free. Is that right or is it pandering to a minority because they issue threats of violence

The way I look at it is that Coyote either is or is not Muslim. Considering the dishonest agenda here, it is impossible to tell.

If Muslim, then all the propaganda is intentional. It is right out of the C.A.I.R. handbook.

If not Muslim, then Coyote is, at best, a useful idiot, motivated by the need to feel good about herself (if, indeed, female) by this constant championing of anything to do with Islam. Some people just need a cause no matter how stupid, destructive and misguided, and her calling people racist is a projection of her own manifest hatred of anything that is not part of her Islamic cause. Of course, she supports all manner of vile, racist behavior as long as it is a Muslim doing it, but that doesn't stop her from seeking a sense of virtuousness by calling others racist for telling the truth.

So can you address any of the points being made in a rational manner or is that beyond your capacity?

Pedophile rings operating in the UK for years because the main violators are celebrities, politicians, doctors, policemen? That seems a huge issue and not an Islamic issue.

Strange that these only came to the attention of the people after the Pakistani muslim men were being arrested and charged, and the full scale of the problem was being seen. How many girls have been raped in the UK by Pakistani muslim men 2 million, 4 million or even 10 million That is the scale of the problem and because the numbers are huge people struggle to get their heads round them. The belief in the UK is that high profile celebrities are being outed to take the muslims of the radar before civil unrest starts in the UK and the muslim get a taste of their own medicine

Do you have an actual (unbiased) source showing how many girls have been raped by Muslim men in the UK?

Are you promoting violence against British Muslims?

 

[Coyote]

Eck, this stuff is horrible. I just can't believe that there are so many people willing to mistreat kids.

It is the lack of response to the mistreatment that is just as horrible.

Agree. It's the cover up and the way this has been allowed to go unchanged for so many years largely because the people involved are VIP's. When the coverup includes law enforcement and politicians it's particularly revolting - those are the very people who are supposed to be protecting the citizens.

With so many creatures such as Coyote frothing at the mouth about "Islamophobia" on a veritable witch hunt to stamp out any possibility that Muslims can ever be held accountable for what they do and to try to intimidate people into silence, an entire culture has sprung up where people have been so beaten into submission by the bullying that they refuse to see what is before their very eyes.

It's humorous the amount of headspace you give me rent free with your obsession. Islamophobia is like anti-semitism and it lends itself to witch hunts and a complete disregard for rational discourse. For example - this - what occurred in Rotherham.

The people running the ring and supplying the victims to perverts were mostly Pakistani. Criticism was rightly levied at the police for being reluctant to pursue this fully for fear of being charged with racism. That has definately got to change - crimes like this should not be in anyway affect by PC in terms of who is questioned or pursued.

The real racism is people who use this and insist it's a "Muslim pedophile epidemic" and a "Muslim problem". As if Muslims around the world are identical regardless of culture. In this case the perpetrators were almost overwelmingly Pakistani. Just one of many Muslim immigrant groups in the UK and in numbers hardly representative of Pakistani's as a whole. What they are is criminals.

It is a case of the Emperor's new clothes, where these vile things demand that others create an alternate reality and are ready to punish them lest they speak the truth.

Telling the truth is not an "alternate reality" and insisting on rationality is hardly vile. Your racism doesn't explain what seems to be a long standing British attitude in looking the other way when the perverts are VIP's. It doesn't explain many of these other incidents coming to light that do not involve Muslims. By painting it as a Muslim problem you are chopping off most of the real issue. Is your real focus and concern on child abuse or is it on Muslims?

Pakistani men rape British children as an expression of supremacism and misogyny. Coyote and her revolting ilk do everything in their power to ensure they continue by throwing up such an impenetrable cacophony of background noise that it becomes impossible to stop them without accusations of racism.

You are now descending into the realm of Stupid. "Pakistani men rape British children as an expression of supremacism and misogyny"? Really now? The men involved in these activities are largely doing it for money. Human trafficking is a HUGE problem AROUND THE WORLD. Or have you not realized that? Modern media makes it easier for people to engage in it and profit from it. Your silly statement doesn't even begin to explain how many of the "customers" abusing these children are not even of Pakistani origin. Can you be any more racist?

Do you live in the UK like I do, have you seen the Pakistani muslims grooming 11 year old girls and the police stood by while it goes on. Have you been threatened by the police and social services when you complain about the grooming and rape, then faced muslim gangs threatening you with violence. It is not done for money at all, it is done purely out of racism and hatred as a form of terrorism. It is showing the people that Pakistani muslims are superior to them and have the government in their pockets. Now the people are fighting back and are demanding the government does something to stop the abuse. All we want to see now is arrest warrants for the 250 Pakistani men that are laughing at the British justice system and bragging about getting away with murder. Yes that is what they have also done, been recorded saying so and the government released them and gave them compensation. The ones who are RACIST are those that try and defend the Pakistani muslim men and make claims that have no foundation in reality.

You want to know how many of the "customers" were not muslims, the answer is NONE. Every single one was a muslim adult male whether Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Afghani, Somali, Palestinian, Egyptian or any other muslim nationality you can think of. It is all part of the Islamic culture that see Islamic property as being muslim for ever.

Sorry Coyote, but because of Muhammad and Aisha, marrying and having sexual relationships with children is not frowned upon in many Muslim dominated countries. Why do you continue to deny this? Why does this offend you so much? It is just the truth. The reason WHY we have so many issues is because of people who don't want to face the truth head on and would rather avoid it or make excuses for it. I suppose now we will get a barrage of reports about British natives having been convicted for pedophilia, and yes, there are pedophiles of all ethnicities, but this is a rampant problem in some Muslim countries, so much so that human rights organizations are involved.

It offends me because it's not the entire truth and people focus on religion and ignore the rest because it drives their own agenda which is to demonize the religion as one of pedophilia.

I don't disagree that religion plays a part in it but it's not the major part driving child marriages. There are pedophiles in every culture and they are no more common in Islam than in Catholicism though Islam, does grant them more latitude.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Do you have an actual (unbiased) source showing how many girls have been raped by Muslim men in the UK?

Are you promoting violence against British Muslims?

Come on, Coyote -- they are just Kaffir children to you and don't count, so why does it matter?

All that matters is your protecting the rapists from criticism, and since all they raped were Kaffir Children, how dare anybody object, right?.

 

[Coyote]

Do you have an actual (unbiased) source showing how many girls have been raped by Muslim men in the UK?

Are you promoting violence against British Muslims?

Come on, Coyote -- they are just Kaffir children to you and don't count, so why does it matter?

All that matters is your protecting the rapists from criticism, and since all they raped were Kaffir Children, how dare anybody object, right?.

Don't impose your personal bigotry on me. All children matter.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Don't impose your personal bigotry on me. All children matter.

More taqiyya from an inveterate liar.

I have scraped better stuff than you off the bottom of my shoe.

 

[ChrisL]

Bel Ange,

Any society which takes religion too seriously opens itself up for outside manipulation. That is why western countries encourage fundamentalist leaders in many parts of the world. They are easy to coerce and take advantage of.

It is also due to very poor and corrupt leadership in those countries that wants to keep the people at each others' throats and hating the rest of the world and blaming everyone else for their problems instead of their own corrupt leaders. This is a great way for their leaders to take attention off of the things that they are doing. Also, I believe that this is the reason why a lot of these countries have very poor education and amenities. This is how THEY want things. That is why it will never change, at least probably not in our lifetimes.

True look at the corruption in the Indian sub continent where senior officials line their pockets every chance they get, a good example of corruption is Arafat who creamed $billions from Palestinian aid and felted it away in a Swiss account. His wife now lives in luxury in France, not bad for a terrorist is it.

That was a stupid post.

But that is exactly what these dictators do. Why are they not to blame for the condition of their own countries? Why do people want to blame outside influences all the time? The condition of those countries is the fault of no one else but the people who live there and cannot seem to get along and the dictators who are controlling them.

I disagree. It is far more complex then that. The conditions of those countries are built upon many factors. You can't exclude foreign interference from that list.

For example - colonialism, which really didn't end for some countries until the 1960's and 70's left a mixed legacy behind. Many colonial powers needed raw materials from those countries to ship to their own factories for value-added manufacturing. Local manufacturing industries were destroyed and the economy built primarily upon the export of raw materials or agriculture. That doesn't provide much value coming back to the people nor does it promote the growth of local industries. Add to that you have countries defined by artificial borders that force together ethnic and religious groups who have long hated each other. You can see the results of that in the Balkan states when the USSR broke apart and conflict arose. Sure you have huge amounts of corruption and democracies created without any of the necessary foundational institutions leading to life-time dictators. It doesn't help either that foreign powers like the US support those very dictators when it's in our interest. The problems are complicated.

They were able to do all of these things because of weak leadership and infighting to begin with. These warring tribes existed long before the 1800s.

 

[Coyote]

Don't impose your personal bigotry on me. All children matter.

More taqiyya from an inveterate liar.

I have scraped better stuff than you off the bottom of my shoe.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however little it may count for since you habitually make up stuff about other posters and never support it.

 

[Coyote]

It is also due to very poor and corrupt leadership in those countries that wants to keep the people at each others' throats and hating the rest of the world and blaming everyone else for their problems instead of their own corrupt leaders. This is a great way for their leaders to take attention off of the things that they are doing. Also, I believe that this is the reason why a lot of these countries have very poor education and amenities. This is how THEY want things. That is why it will never change, at least probably not in our lifetimes.

True look at the corruption in the Indian sub continent where senior officials line their pockets every chance they get, a good example of corruption is Arafat who creamed $billions from Palestinian aid and felted it away in a Swiss account. His wife now lives in luxury in France, not bad for a terrorist is it.

That was a stupid post.

But that is exactly what these dictators do. Why are they not to blame for the condition of their own countries? Why do people want to blame outside influences all the time? The condition of those countries is the fault of no one else but the people who live there and cannot seem to get along and the dictators who are controlling them.

I disagree. It is far more complex then that. The conditions of those countries are built upon many factors. You can't exclude foreign interference from that list.

For example - colonialism, which really didn't end for some countries until the 1960's and 70's left a mixed legacy behind. Many colonial powers needed raw materials from those countries to ship to their own factories for value-added manufacturing. Local manufacturing industries were destroyed and the economy built primarily upon the export of raw materials or agriculture. That doesn't provide much value coming back to the people nor does it promote the growth of local industries. Add to that you have countries defined by artificial borders that force together ethnic and religious groups who have long hated each other. You can see the results of that in the Balkan states when the USSR broke apart and conflict arose. Sure you have huge amounts of corruption and democracies created without any of the necessary foundational institutions leading to life-time dictators. It doesn't help either that foreign powers like the US support those very dictators when it's in our interest. The problems are complicated.

They were able to do all of these things because of weak leadership and infighting to begin with. These warring tribes existed long before the 1800s.

Yes but they weren't forced together in the boundaries of one nation. There are other factors as well. For example in some countries, under colonial rule - one ethnic group was favored over another and priveledged. When the powers left, all hell broke out.

 

[ChrisL]

Don't impose your personal bigotry on me. All children matter.

More taqiyya from an inveterate liar.

I have scraped better stuff than you off the bottom of my shoe.

I disagree.

True look at the corruption in the Indian sub continent where senior officials line their pockets every chance they get, a good example of corruption is Arafat who creamed $billions from Palestinian aid and felted it away in a Swiss account. His wife now lives in luxury in France, not bad for a terrorist is it.

That was a stupid post.

But that is exactly what these dictators do. Why are they not to blame for the condition of their own countries? Why do people want to blame outside influences all the time? The condition of those countries is the fault of no one else but the people who live there and cannot seem to get along and the dictators who are controlling them.

I disagree. It is far more complex then that. The conditions of those countries are built upon many factors. You can't exclude foreign interference from that list.

For example - colonialism, which really didn't end for some countries until the 1960's and 70's left a mixed legacy behind. Many colonial powers needed raw materials from those countries to ship to their own factories for value-added manufacturing. Local manufacturing industries were destroyed and the economy built primarily upon the export of raw materials or agriculture. That doesn't provide much value coming back to the people nor does it promote the growth of local industries. Add to that you have countries defined by artificial borders that force together ethnic and religious groups who have long hated each other. You can see the results of that in the Balkan states when the USSR broke apart and conflict arose. Sure you have huge amounts of corruption and democracies created without any of the necessary foundational institutions leading to life-time dictators. It doesn't help either that foreign powers like the US support those very dictators when it's in our interest. The problems are complicated.

They were able to do all of these things because of weak leadership and infighting to begin with. These warring tribes existed long before the 1800s.

Yes but they weren't forced together in the boundaries of one nation. There are other factors as well. For example in some countries, under colonial rule - one ethnic group was favored over another and priveledged. When the powers left, all hell broke out.

They can only blame outside influences so much. The problems come from within. I think that much is quite obvious. Should Americans still be angry with the British? THAT is how stupid it is.

 

[Coyote]

Don't impose your personal bigotry on me. All children matter.

More taqiyya from an inveterate liar.

I have scraped better stuff than you off the bottom of my shoe.

I disagree.

That was a stupid post.

But that is exactly what these dictators do. Why are they not to blame for the condition of their own countries? Why do people want to blame outside influences all the time? The condition of those countries is the fault of no one else but the people who live there and cannot seem to get along and the dictators who are controlling them.

I disagree. It is far more complex then that. The conditions of those countries are built upon many factors. You can't exclude foreign interference from that list.

For example - colonialism, which really didn't end for some countries until the 1960's and 70's left a mixed legacy behind. Many colonial powers needed raw materials from those countries to ship to their own factories for value-added manufacturing. Local manufacturing industries were destroyed and the economy built primarily upon the export of raw materials or agriculture. That doesn't provide much value coming back to the people nor does it promote the growth of local industries. Add to that you have countries defined by artificial borders that force together ethnic and religious groups who have long hated each other. You can see the results of that in the Balkan states when the USSR broke apart and conflict arose. Sure you have huge amounts of corruption and democracies created without any of the necessary foundational institutions leading to life-time dictators. It doesn't help either that foreign powers like the US support those very dictators when it's in our interest. The problems are complicated.

They were able to do all of these things because of weak leadership and infighting to begin with. These warring tribes existed long before the 1800s.

Yes but they weren't forced together in the boundaries of one nation. There are other factors as well. For example in some countries, under colonial rule - one ethnic group was favored over another and priveledged. When the powers left, all hell broke out.

They can only blame outside influences so much. The problems come from within. I think that much is quite obvious. Should Americans still be angry with the British? THAT is how stupid it is.

Up to a point I agree, but we've had 250 years to make our peace. Many of these countries have had only a couple of generations.

 

[ChrisL]

Do you have an actual (unbiased) source showing how many girls have been raped by Muslim men in the UK?

Are you promoting violence against British Muslims?

Come on, Coyote -- they are just Kaffir children to you and don't count, so why does it matter?

All that matters is your protecting the rapists from criticism, and since all they raped were Kaffir Children, how dare anybody object, right?.

I don't think she wants to protect rapists.

 

[ChrisL]

Don't impose your personal bigotry on me. All children matter.

More taqiyya from an inveterate liar.

I have scraped better stuff than you off the bottom of my shoe.

I disagree.

But that is exactly what these dictators do. Why are they not to blame for the condition of their own countries? Why do people want to blame outside influences all the time? The condition of those countries is the fault of no one else but the people who live there and cannot seem to get along and the dictators who are controlling them.

I disagree. It is far more complex then that. The conditions of those countries are built upon many factors. You can't exclude foreign interference from that list.

For example - colonialism, which really didn't end for some countries until the 1960's and 70's left a mixed legacy behind. Many colonial powers needed raw materials from those countries to ship to their own factories for value-added manufacturing. Local manufacturing industries were destroyed and the economy built primarily upon the export of raw materials or agriculture. That doesn't provide much value coming back to the people nor does it promote the growth of local industries. Add to that you have countries defined by artificial borders that force together ethnic and religious groups who have long hated each other. You can see the results of that in the Balkan states when the USSR broke apart and conflict arose. Sure you have huge amounts of corruption and democracies created without any of the necessary foundational institutions leading to life-time dictators. It doesn't help either that foreign powers like the US support those very dictators when it's in our interest. The problems are complicated.

They were able to do all of these things because of weak leadership and infighting to begin with. These warring tribes existed long before the 1800s.

Yes but they weren't forced together in the boundaries of one nation. There are other factors as well. For example in some countries, under colonial rule - one ethnic group was favored over another and priveledged. When the powers left, all hell broke out.

They can only blame outside influences so much. The problems come from within. I think that much is quite obvious. Should Americans still be angry with the British? THAT is how stupid it is.

Up to a point I agree, but we've had 250 years to make our peace. Many of these countries have had only a couple of generations.

But it isn't just Americans or the British. They seem to have a lot of hate for everyone.