Video emerges of Georgia jogger attack; case headed to grand jury

[Canon Shooter]

I said from the beginning, dude is not a "jogger". Media called him a "jogger" because that suppose to clear him of anything that he might have done. Even with an evidence that he was breaking into houses, they're keep pushing the narrative "he was good boy, he was turning his life around, he was going to church, dindu nuffin. Hey, he was just innocent "jogger", who like to go to neighborhoods, smell the roses, while thinking about life he could have... if he could've just break into right house and score big.

He was labeled a "jogger" because he was known to jog. It's what he enjoyed. Certainly in the video in which he's murdered, his gait is not that of someone fleeing anything or anyone. It's a jogger's gait.

And, in the end, it matters not. Travis McMichaels armed himself, chased him down, confronted him with a shotgun and killed him. Those are facts. They're not in dispute.

I got five bucks says McMichaels either becomes somebody's prison bitch or is killed in prison in short order...

 

[Norman]

My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Perhaps the person should have tried not stealing. Sometimes armed people might show up to defend the property, and then if you threaten them... well.

What makes this case so special anyway? People are gunned down in Chicago all the time, you know certain people are 13 percent of the population but commit 50 percent of the crime? Oh... the perpetrators were white... so fuck those guys who claim race does not matter.

 

[Gantlemagne]

My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Logic. AA had a gun in his hand. True statement. I'd stand on the side of the retired Police Officer, especially if he has a stellar racism free record, and maybe he was justly defending his home and neighborhood against a burglar? If he was a burglar, and was refusing to surrender before the police arrived, then going after that gun was a mighty big mistake. He might not have been shot if he didn't do that. But you gotta know what was going through McMichael's head if AA got a hold of that gun.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Perhaps the person should have tried not stealing. Sometimes armed people might show up to defend the property, and then if you threaten them... well.

But that's not what happened.

Travis McMichaels didn't see that video. He didn't see Arbery going into the house that was under construction. All he knows is that Daddy told him to get a gun, get the truck and chase him down. He got out of his pickup, armed with a shotgun, and confronted Arbery, killing him.

Those are facts which cannot be refuted.

There are times when deadly force is legal to use. It was not in this case. They can't claim self defense because they initiated the entire thing...

What makes this case so special anyway? People are gunned down in Chicago all the time, you know certain people are 13 percent of the population but commit 50 percent of the crime? Oh... the perpetrators were white... so fuck those guys who claim race does not matter.

Just so you're aware, I'm a white conservative in my late 50's, and I carry a gun every single day, so I don't base my opinions on race...

 

[Norman]

My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Logic. AA had a gun in his hand. True statement. I'd stand on the side of the retired Police Officer, especially if he has a stellar racism free record, and maybe he was justly defending his home and neighborhood against a burglar? If he was a burglar, and was refusing to surrender before the police arrived, then going after that gun was a mighty big mistake. He might not have been shot if he didn't do that. But you gotta know what was going through McMichael's head if AA got a hold of that gun.

Black people make bad moves like that all the time, just recently I read that two black men decided to steal some shoes, had a gun and shot down and killed white people for a pair of shoes. Strangely the media is nowhere to be found. We will see...

 

[Gantlemagne]

My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Logic. AA had a gun in his hand. True statement. I'd stand on the side of the retired Police Officer, especially if he has a stellar racism free record, and maybe he was justly defending his home and neighborhood against a burglar? If he was a burglar, and was refusing to surrender before the police arrived, then going after that gun was a mighty big mistake. He might not have been shot if he didn't do that. But you gotta know what was going through McMichael's head if AA got a hold of that gun.

Black people make bad moves like that all the time, just recently I read that two black men decided to steal some shoes, had a gun and shot down and killed white people for a pair of shoes. Strangely the media is nowhere to be found. We will see...

I don't see that story... but by the numbers reported in from 2000 to 2016, Sapiens are murdering Neanderthals more than the other way around. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

 

[Canon Shooter]

My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Logic. AA had a gun in his hand. True statement. I'd stand on the side of the retired Police Officer, especially if he has a stellar racism free record, and maybe he was justly defending his home and neighborhood against a burglar? If he was a burglar, and was refusing to surrender before the police arrived, then going after that gun was a mighty big mistake. He might not have been shot if he didn't do that. But you gotta know what was going through McMichael's head if AA got a hold of that gun.

Your comments could not be more devoid of logic.

How did that gun get into his hands? Travis McMichael got out of the truck that he chased Arbery down in, got out and confronted Arbery. He didn't know Arbery from Adam. He just acted on what his father told him, and that's just not a valid defense.

Your logic is akin to you falling into a swimming pool and then blaming the guy who filled the pool for your being wet...

 

[Faun]

My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Logic. AA had a gun in his hand. True statement. I'd stand on the side of the retired Police Officer, especially if he has a stellar racism free record, and maybe he was justly defending his home and neighborhood against a burglar? If he was a burglar, and was refusing to surrender before the police arrived, then going after that gun was a mighty big mistake. He might not have been shot if he didn't do that. But you gotta know what was going through McMichael's head if AA got a hold of that gun.

"But you gotta know what was going through McMichael's head if AA got a hold of that gun."

I would guess the same thing that was going through Arbery's mind as he saw a guy with a shotgun standing in his path for no apparent reason while they were yelling at him.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I said from the beginning, dude is not a "jogger".

So what? You say that because he is black.

 

[Canon Shooter]

My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Logic. AA had a gun in his hand. True statement. I'd stand on the side of the retired Police Officer, especially if he has a stellar racism free record, and maybe he was justly defending his home and neighborhood against a burglar? If he was a burglar, and was refusing to surrender before the police arrived, then going after that gun was a mighty big mistake. He might not have been shot if he didn't do that. But you gotta know what was going through McMichael's head if AA got a hold of that gun.

Black people make bad moves like that all the time, just recently I read that two black men decided to steal some shoes, had a gun and shot down and killed white people for a pair of shoes. Strangely the media is nowhere to be found. We will see...

Wow, that's interesting.

It also has exactly nothing to do with this case...

 

[Norman]

My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Logic. AA had a gun in his hand. True statement. I'd stand on the side of the retired Police Officer, especially if he has a stellar racism free record, and maybe he was justly defending his home and neighborhood against a burglar? If he was a burglar, and was refusing to surrender before the police arrived, then going after that gun was a mighty big mistake. He might not have been shot if he didn't do that. But you gotta know what was going through McMichael's head if AA got a hold of that gun.

Black people make bad moves like that all the time, just recently I read that two black men decided to steal some shoes, had a gun and shot down and killed white people for a pair of shoes. Strangely the media is nowhere to be found. We will see...

Wow, that's interesting.

It also has exactly nothing to do with this case...

What do you mean it has nothing to do with the case? If the races were swapped this would not even make the morning news.

I am tired of this bullshit. Can't they at least find a truly INNOCENT black man before rage baiting into these stories? It's always some clearly criminal idiot with a record, caught on the act itself.

 

[Canon Shooter]

What do you mean it has nothing to do with the case? If the races were swapped this would not even make the morning news.

Your whining about the inequality of news reporting has nothing to do with McMichaels murdering Aubery...

I am tired of this bullshit. Can't they at least find a truly INNOCENT black man before rage baiting into these stories? It's always some clearly criminal idiot with a record, caught on the act itself.

What was he caught doing? The video showing a person running into a house is hardly conclusive. You're assigning guilt based on skin color. At least be honest enough to admit that.

Nevertheless, he wasn't "caught" doing anything by the man who shot and killed him. You need to get that through that pointed little head of yours. Even if the person in the video was Aubery, McMichaels had no knowledge that video even existed, so he can't claim that he was pursuing the guy seen in the video.

At best, all McMichael's can claim is that he chased Aubery down because his Daddy told him to. That's a decision that he'll have a lot of time to regret while he sits in prison...

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

he must have though he would just snatch the gun and shoot the white guy with his own weapon.....surprise surprise dat white dude knew what he was doing...must have been well trained.

After doing a good amount of jogging, Arbery was not at full-strength to pull the gun away. Also, his hands were sweaty from jogging and may not have gotten a good grip on the gun. McMichael had both of these advantages.

 

[Lysistrata]

My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Perhaps the person should have tried not stealing. Sometimes armed people might show up to defend the property, and then if you threaten them... well.

What makes this case so special anyway? People are gunned down in Chicago all the time, you know certain people are 13 percent of the population but commit 50 percent of the crime? Oh... the perpetrators were white... so fuck those guys who claim race does not matter.

Are you crazy? Where does someone stealing something even come in? What was even taken from this construction site? Was there actually a theft from this site? How is whatever the theft was connected to Arbery?

For the geographically ignorant, Georgia is nowhere near Chicago.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Whatever it was, he certainly wasn’t thinking clearly.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand attacking an armed man, could result in your death.

You're jogging along, there is a group of 3 white men in a pickup truck down south in Georgia following the jogger, yelling at him to "STOP" claiming they want to talk to him. At this point I'm sure Abery surmised that whatever they wanted or wanted to talk about was not good so he kept going, at one point it is reported, turning around possibly in an attempt to evade or escape them.

When they finally get ahead of him and block his pathway with the truck he goes around the truck only to discover at least one of the men who have been attempting to flag him down and get him to stop, standing there with a shotgun in his hands.

At this point he probably considered himself already under attack and may have reacted by what he considered as a fight for his life.

So can you not put yourself in his shoes just for a moment and think about what he must have experienced as these males were pursuing him? What if it were you and a group of three black guys were chasing you in a pick-up, yelling at you to stop running, that they want to talk to you, but when they exit the vehicle one or more of them are carrying long guns.

You know they train women to put up a fight if necessary rather than to let someone abduct them or go willingly. Maybe they had indicated to him that they were going to do something to him that he didn't want and figured it was better to die fighting than to let them do whatever it was they had in mind for him.

It's not like black men in the south haven't been dragged behind pickups, lynched, burned or murdered before.

And many times, the perpetrators were never prosecuted.

So, instead of continuing on or heading for the tree line, he runs over and tries to take a shotgun from one of the men?

Nah. He was not afraid. He was mad.

.

 

[Lysistrata]

Perhaps the person should have tried not stealing. Sometimes armed people might show up to defend the property, and then if you threaten them... well.

But that's not what happened.

Travis McMichaels didn't see that video. He didn't see Arbery going into the house that was under construction. All he knows is that Daddy told him to get a gun, get the truck and chase him down. He got out of his pickup, armed with a shotgun, and confronted Arbery, killing him.

Those are facts which cannot be refuted.

There are times when deadly force is legal to use. It was not in this case. They can't claim self defense because they initiated the entire thing...

What makes this case so special anyway? People are gunned down in Chicago all the time, you know certain people are 13 percent of the population but commit 50 percent of the crime? Oh... the perpetrators were white... so fuck those guys who claim race does not matter.

Just so you're aware, I'm a white conservative in my late 50's, and I carry a gun every single day, so I don't base my opinions on race...

And there is nothing that connects Arbery to the house under construction, either. As far as I know, there is no evidence that anything was stolen from the construction site by anyone. The owner of the house claims to have some film from a motion-activated camera on the property of a person moving around the property, which he refuses to release. There is no link here to Arbery. And what is the link between the McMichaels and the owner that they would know about this?

 

[Lysistrata]

Whatever it was, he certainly wasn’t thinking clearly.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand attacking an armed man, could result in your death.

You're jogging along, there is a group of 3 white men in a pickup truck down south in Georgia following the jogger, yelling at him to "STOP" claiming they want to talk to him. At this point I'm sure Abery surmised that whatever they wanted or wanted to talk about was not good so he kept going, at one point it is reported, turning around possibly in an attempt to evade or escape them.

When they finally get ahead of him and block his pathway with the truck he goes around the truck only to discover at least one of the men who have been attempting to flag him down and get him to stop, standing there with a shotgun in his hands.

At this point he probably considered himself already under attack and may have reacted by what he considered as a fight for his life.

So can you not put yourself in his shoes just for a moment and think about what he must have experienced as these males were pursuing him? What if it were you and a group of three black guys were chasing you in a pick-up, yelling at you to stop running, that they want to talk to you, but when they exit the vehicle one or more of them are carrying long guns.

You know they train women to put up a fight if necessary rather than to let someone abduct them or go willingly. Maybe they had indicated to him that they were going to do something to him that he didn't want and figured it was better to die fighting than to let them do whatever it was they had in mind for him.

It's not like black men in the south haven't been dragged behind pickups, lynched, burned or murdered before.

And many times, the perpetrators were never prosecuted.

So, instead of continuing on or heading for the tree line, he runs over and tries to take a shotgun from one of the men?

Nah. He was not afraid. He was mad.

.

Why was travis in the middle of the street holding a loaded shotgun? I just spoke with my cousin in Atlanta last night, but I'll call him again. Do people in Georgia just stand out in the middle of the road with shotguns? Is this a local custom?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Logic. AA had a gun in his hand. True statement. I'd stand on the side of the retired Police Officer, especially if he has a stellar racism free record, and maybe he was justly defending his home and neighborhood against a burglar? If he was a burglar, and was refusing to surrender before the police arrived, then going after that gun was a mighty big mistake. He might not have been shot if he didn't do that. But you gotta know what was going through McMichael's head if AA got a hold of that gun.

Your comments could not be more devoid of logic.

How did that gun get into his hands? Travis McMichael got out of the truck that he chased Arbery down in, got out and confronted Arbery. He didn't know Arbery from Adam. He just acted on what his father told him, and that's just not a valid defense.

Your logic is akin to you falling into a swimming pool and then blaming the guy who filled the pool for your being wet...

You have CLEARLY made up your mind despite what video evidence shows.

Do I need to walk you though the video again?

McMichael never approached Arbery on the passenger side of the truck. It was Arbery who ran around the right side of the truck, the darted toward McMichael. The shotgun goes off bad Arbery is pulling on it on the driver-side.

One could easily conclude, based on the video evidence, that Arbery unnecessarily escalated the incident. One could further conclude that his actions confirm guilt. His aggressive charge toward McMichael indicates that he was mad that he got caught. And no soft-looking fat little red-headed cracker was going to catch him. He was gonna take that shotgun and take out witnesses to his burglary.

I’m not saying that’s how it happened, but the video evidence supports that conclusion just as easily (if not more easily) than your unwarranted conclusion of murder.



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My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

I based My decision off of the evidence. "Evidence being gathered includes security surveillance video from the home under construction, as well as surveillance video from other homes in the neighborhood, Barnhill said." Source: Shooting death presents conflict of interest for local DA's office

How much of that footage have you seen?

 

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My initial gut feeling tells Me, AA was involved in some kind burglary, and maybe even was armed. He was caught, ditched his gun, might have even shot at the guys chasing after him, and then the result was that he was caught, tried to fight them off, and then got shot when he went for the other guys gun. He was a thief... maybe he didn't learn his lesson. And that's just what My gut is telling Me as an investigator. And you know how the Black community politicizes and mobilizes even when the evidence is clear that the Black criminal who is shot was threatening and firing with deadly force at Police Officers.

What happened to Ariel in Chicago is much worse.

There is no way you're an investigator based on the above.

I investigated insurance claims. Took statements, reviewed evidence, police reports. Decided on whether to pay or not.

And you base your decision whether or not to pay a claim on your gut rather than the evidence and/or the police reports?

Here's some more additional evidence:

Could the quality of that video be worse?

But, even if it is Arbery, he was still chased down by the two armed men (who hadn't seen that video, btw) and killed. Arbery was unarmed. Because they chased him down and confronted him with a firearm, they can't claim self defense...

Because he grabbed the gun, he had a gun in his hand.

What??

An unarmed man was chased down by two armed men. The unarmed man was shot and killed.

Because the white guys armed themselves and chased him, they can't claim self defense. They instigated the entire incident.

Your logic is almost as bad as another idiot here who proclaimed that, because the pickup got in front of Arbery, that Arbery was chasing the truck.

Use a little common sense...

Logic. AA had a gun in his hand. True statement. I'd stand on the side of the retired Police Officer, especially if he has a stellar racism free record, and maybe he was justly defending his home and neighborhood against a burglar? If he was a burglar, and was refusing to surrender before the police arrived, then going after that gun was a mighty big mistake. He might not have been shot if he didn't do that. But you gotta know what was going through McMichael's head if AA got a hold of that gun.

Your comments could not be more devoid of logic.

How did that gun get into his hands? Travis McMichael got out of the truck that he chased Arbery down in, got out and confronted Arbery. He didn't know Arbery from Adam. He just acted on what his father told him, and that's just not a valid defense.

Your logic is akin to you falling into a swimming pool and then blaming the guy who filled the pool for your being wet...

You have CLEARLY made up your mind despite what video evidence shows.

Do I need to walk you though the video again?

McMichael never approached Arbery on the passenger side of the truck. It was Arbery who ran around the right side of the truck, the darted toward McMichael. The shotgun goes off bad Arbery is pulling on it on the driver-side.

One could easily conclude, based on the video evidence, that Arbery unnecessarily escalated the incident. One could further conclude that his actions confirm guilt. His aggressive charge toward McMichael indicates that he was mad that he got caught. And no soft-looking fat little red-headed cracker was going to catch him. He was gonna take that shotgun and take out witnesses to his burglary.

I’m not saying that’s how it happened, but the video evidence supports that conclusion just as easily (if not more easily) than your unwarranted conclusion of murder.



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McMichael created the situation which makes him the initial aggressor and can not claim self defense.

And no one can say if McMichael moved across the front of the truck. That’s obscured in the video.