Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[Mac-7]

No. Immigration has been a problem for decades. Did you forget Ronnie’s amnesty? W tried to give an amnesty too.

Ds represent the interests of their donors, just as Rs do. This will blow your mind…their donors are the same people.

I didnt forget

It was a mistake that bleeding heart libs are eager to repeat over and over

 

[rightwinger]

So would "Hanoi Jane" consider Kennedy to be "Hitler"?

or did they just point fingers at those they politically opposed?

that's all well and good if you want to pin that on those who started and sustained the war, but what do you call the ones who ended the war?, the ones who did what "Hanoi Jane" and John Kerry couldn't and didn't do...
..."HJ" calls them Hitler, while sparing those who had no part in ending the war, this is just the type of finger pointing the left excels at.

Tactfully asking them to end the war did not seem to be working

 

[rightwinger]

As much proof as any informed person needs

Where is your ironclad “proof” that the war was wrong?

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2 million needlessly died

 

[Frankeneinstein]

If that was the case, where was the world domination

One need only look at a map from 1945 through 1980 to see how much redder the world became through the policies of appeasement, communism was metastasizing and the politics of "HJ" was a placebo that contributed to its spread.

when the Communists won in 1975?

the American communists, but just 5 years later a man would come along whose wrath the commies are feeling to this day

All the fear mongering that kept us in the war for ten years and killed over a million people never happened

Do you thank Nixon and Ford for putting an end to that or did/do ya point fingers?...but anyway it was happening, until of course an American hero put an end to it...an end that still has the smattering of communists gnashing their teeth at the mere mention of his name.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Tactfully asking them to end the war did not seem to be working

You're referring to the "hitlers"? and not the one who did actually stop the war? is that right?...now do you believe "HJ" considered Kennedy to be hitler?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

2 million needlessly died

Yeah but in the communist world that is a small number even during times of peace...And you have yet to deify the man who put an end to all your suffering during that time...give him his props bro

 

[rightwinger]

Yeah but in the communist world that is a small number even during times of peace...And you have yet to deify the man who put an end to all your suffering during that time...give him his props bro

To the millions of families who lost loved ones, that is not small

We killed millions just so they wouldn’t turn communist

 

[Frankeneinstein]

To the millions of families who lost loved ones, that is not small

It is in the communist world

We killed millions just so they wouldn’t turn communist

Thanks to men like John Kerry

 

[rightwinger]

It is in the communist world

Thanks to men like John Kerry

John Kerry was a Patriot

 

[AZrailwhale]

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Nope. Take out the North Vietnamese government and the Russians and Chinese would have had no one to ship the massive amounts of arms, missiles, ammo and food to. The only reason the war lasted past 1965 was that the Communist Bloc was completely supporting North Vietnam. The PRVN couldn't even grow enough food to feed itself, let alone prosecute the war.

 

[rightwinger]

Nope. Take out the North Vietnamese government and the Russians and Chinese would have had no one to ship the massive amounts of arms, missiles, ammo and food to. The only reason the was lasted past 1965 was that the Communist Bloc was completely supporting North Vietnam. The PRVN couldn't even grow enough food to feed itself, let alone prosecute the war.

They maintained a war for 20 years
We were not wearing them out

 

[Mac-7]

2 million needlessly died

Sez you

How many innocent people died in WWII?

By your logic all of those deaths were needless if we had simply given up peacefully to the Axis powers

 

[Frankeneinstein]

John Kerry was a Patriot

As were all the men who fought the communist scourge, that's why I said it was "thanks to him" and men like him...
...and it is typical that a white liberal would point the fickle finger at his political opponents while holding up those who actually committed the offenses you point at as patriotic...
it is white liberal privilege that allows for this type of behavior and blinds the left from the obviousness double speak it engages in...
...and ya never got around to the "HJ" question, probably just an oversight.

 

[rightwinger]

Sez you

How many innocent people died in WWII?

By your logic all of those deaths were needless if we had simply given up peacefully to the Axis powers

If we supported Vietnamese independence after WWII none of the next 30 years would have been necessary

Instead, we sold them out to the French

 

[AZrailwhale]

You missed the lesson from Korea didn’t you?

Occupying the North would have brought China into the conflict

China could not even defeat Vietnam in the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979. It would have stood no chance against the ARVN supported by the US. The Chinese knew this, the PLA was a light infantry army that hadn't seen combat since 1952 and was far less capable than the soldiers of the Korean War who were battle-hardened veterans of the Chinese Civil War.

 

[Mac-7]

If we supported Vietnamese independence after WWII none of the next 30 years would have been necessary

Instead, we sold them out to the French

There is some truth to that

Unfortunately the early years of the Cold War were chaotic with the Soviet Union threatening to bury us and Uncle Ho appeared to be a Stalin puppet

So we supported the French against the communists

 

[AZrailwhale]

Nixon scuttled LBJs attempt at peace before the 68 election

LBJ's only possible peace would have been total capitulation to the North. He spent his entire presidency "sending messages" to the PRVN with American blood trying to convince them if they'd just stop their invasion of the RVN he'd pull all the American troops out. McNamara said in his book Vietnamese War that he and LBJ had no desire to defeat the PRVN.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

They maintained a war for 20 years

Its called "a war of attrition", and because the left wing government weren't the ones dying in it, everyone else pays the price while the lefties appropriate the seats and levers of power at little or no expense to themselves ...
the people of Nam were nothing more than their shield much like today's minorities in America are the white liberal privilege class' shield...
...no matter what crisis presents itself white liberals are the only ones who do not pay a price for it, as long as there is strife and they're not held accountable they will continue to reap power and then point that infamous finger at others.

We were not wearing them out

Yeah, they seemed to enjoy it.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You can’t destroy guerilla forces. They just disappear into the brush looking for an opportunity. The Viet Cong were not going away....especially with the US forces out of the way.

Same goes for the Taliban

After Tet, the Viet Cong were completely destroyed. The invasion force was entirely NVA. Today, you won't find a single Viet Cong official anywhere in the Vietnamese government.

 

[gipper]

There is some truth to that

Unfortunately the early years of the Cold War were chaotic with the Soviet Union threatening to bury us and Uncle Ho appeared to be a Stalin puppet

So we supported the French against the communists

Which was a dumb mistake resulting in lots of death and destruction.