Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[gipper]

It didnt because America fought the communists to a standstill

You are a deamer and a warmongering statist.

 

[Mac-7]

You are a deamer and a warmongering statist.

So you have run out of arguments and only have personal insults left

 

[gipper]

So you have run out of arguments and only have personal insults left

My argument was made and you ignored it. You foolishly believe the domino theory even though it’s obviously propaganda disproven decades ago.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Gotta fight the commies.
Now we trade with Vietnam.
Look around your house or your next shopping purchase, a lot were made by the people that killed Americans.

U.S. goods and services trade with Vietnam totaled an estimated $92.2 billion in 2020. Exports were $12.1 billion; imports were $80.1 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Vietnam was $68.0 billion in 2020. Vietnam is currently our 10th largest goods trading partner with $89.5 billion.

Yet STILL have issues with Cuba................60 years later, they didn't kill Americans.

 

[Mac-7]

My argument was made and you ignored it.

Meaning that if people agree with you fine

But if not civility ends and you move on to personal insults instead

 

[Mac-7]

Gotta fight the commies.
Now we trade with Vietnam.
Look around your house or your next shopping purchase, a lot were made by the people that killed Americans.

U.S. goods and services trade with Vietnam totaled an estimated $92.2 billion in 2020. Exports were $12.1 billion; imports were $80.1 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Vietnam was $68.0 billion in 2020. Vietnam is currently our 10th largest goods trading partner with $89.5 billion.

Yet STILL have issues with Cuba................60 years later, they didn't kill Americans.

It sounds as if you are pissed that we arent still at war with Vietnam

 

[Smokin' OP]

It sounds as if you are pissed that we arent still at war with Vietnam

WOW, IS that what you got out of that?
NO, dumbass.

Cuba is 90 miles from the US.
Vietnam is 8300 miles from the US.

Why are we trading and traveling 8300 miles away but not 90miles away?

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[Mac-7]

WOW, IS that what you got out of that?
NO, dumbass.

Cuba is 90 miles from the US.
Vietnam is 8300 miles from the US.

Why are we trading and traveling 8300 miles away but not 90miles away?

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Vibrant, eclectic and exciting, Vietnam is a rapidly developing nation that’s filled with dreams for the future and reminders of the past.

Vietnam Hotel + Flights​

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We still have issues with Cuba that do not exist with Vietnam

My impression is that Ho Chi Min is dead and Vietnam is a communist country in name only

Cuba on the other hand is still ruled by the same tight dictatorship that it was in 1963

That could be a misimpression on my part because I dont follow events in Cuba at all

But other than cigars and baseball players what does cuba have to offer the US?

 

[Smokin' OP]

We still have issues with Cuba that do not exist with Vietnam

Really?
Like what?
THIS:
Vietnam systematically suppresses basic civil and political rights. The government, under the one-party rule of the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV), severely restricts freedom of expression, association, peaceful assembly, movement, and religion.

Prohibitions continued in 2021 on the formation or operation of independent unions and any other organizations or groups considered a threat to the Communist Party’s monopoly on power. Authorities blocked access to sensitive political websites and social media pages, and pressured social media and telecommunications companies to remove or restrict content critical of the government or the ruling party.

Critics of the government or party face police intimidation, harassment, restricted movement, arbitrary arrest and detention, and imprisonment.

My impression is that Ho Chi Min is dead and Vietnam is a communist country in name only

See above.

Cuba on the other hand is still ruled by the same tight dictatorship that it was in 1963

That could be a misimpression on my part because I dont follow events in Cuba at all

But other than cigars and baseball players what does cuba have to offer the US?

The same applies to Vietnam.......................8300 miles away.

 

[Mac-7]

Really?
Like what?
THIS:
Vietnam systematically suppresses basic civil and political rights. The government, under the one-party rule of the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV), severely restricts freedom of expression, association, peaceful assembly, movement, and religion.

Prohibitions continued in 2021 on the formation or operation of independent unions and any other organizations or groups considered a threat to the Communist Party’s monopoly on power. Authorities blocked access to sensitive political websites and social media pages, and pressured social media and telecommunications companies to remove or restrict content critical of the government or the ruling party.

Critics of the government or party face police intimidation, harassment, restricted movement, arbitrary arrest and detention, and imprisonment.

See above.

The same applies to Vietnam.......................8300 miles away.

One advantage Vietnam has in my opinion is that they are not allied with china

We should be trading more with Vietnam and less with China

 

[rightwinger]

By his own admission he was a war criminal

 

[Smokin' OP]

One advantage Vietnam has in my opinion is that they are not allied with china

We should be trading more with Vietnam and less with China

Diversified sources should be implemented.

Your dear leader pulled out of one, that didn't involve China at all.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), or Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, was a highly contested proposed trade agreement between 12 Pacific Rim economies, Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam, and the United States.

After taking office, the newly elected President Donald Trump formally withdrew the United States from TPP in January 2017, therefore the TPP could not be ratified as required and did not enter into force. The remaining countries negotiated a new trade agreement called Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, which incorporates most of the provisions of the TPP and which entered into force on 30 December 2018.

But not only did Trump bail out US farmers to the tune of $48 billion but signed a trade agreement with China INCREASING trade by $200 billion a year.

 

[Mac-7]

Diversified sources should be implemented.

Your dear leader pulled out of one, that didn't involve China at all.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), or Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, was a highly contested proposed trade agreement between 12 Pacific Rim economies, Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam, and the United States.

After taking office, the newly elected President Donald Trump formally withdrew the United States from TPP in January 2017, therefore the TPP could not be ratified as required and did not enter into force. The remaining countries negotiated a new trade agreement called Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, which incorporates most of the provisions of the TPP and which entered into force on 30 December 2018.

But not only did Trump bail out US farmers to the tune of $48 billion but signed a trade agreement with China INCREASING trade by $200 billion a year.

TPP has a poison pill in that international court could overrule US laws

 

[Smokin' OP]

TPP has a poison pill in that international court could overrule US laws

WTF?
THAT is a new one.
How would that even happen, or WHEN did it happen, ever?
On a trade agreement?

 

[Mac-7]

WTF?
THAT is a new one.
How would that even happen, or WHEN did it happen, ever?
On a trade agreement?

It was reported

Which is just the sort of America Last policy preferred by obama

The Big Problem With TPP's Super Court That We're Not Talking About

Financiers will use it to bet on lawsuits, while taxpayers foot the bill.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Smokin' OP]

It was reported

Which is just the sort of America Last policy preferred by obama

The Big Problem With TPP's Super Court That We're Not Talking About

Financiers will use it to bet on lawsuits, while taxpayers foot the bill.

www.huffpost.com

Not just Obama.

Conceived of in the 1950s, the system was intended to benefit both developing nations and the foreign companies that sought to invest in them. The companies would gain a fair, neutral referee if a rogue regime seized their property or discriminated against them in favor of domestic companies. And the countries would gain the roads or hospitals or industries that those foreign corporations would, as a result, feel confident building.

This system is already in place, operating behind closed doors in office buildings and conference rooms in cities around the world. Known as investor-state dispute settlement, or ISDS, it is written into a vast network of treaties that govern international trade and investment, including NAFTA and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which Congress must soon decide whether to ratify.

But over the last two decades, ISDS has morphed from a rarely used last resort, designed for egregious cases of state theft or blatant discrimination, into a powerful tool that corporations brandish ever more frequently, often against broad public policies that they claim crimp profits.

Because the system is so secretive, it is not possible to know the total number of ISDS cases, but lawyers in the field say it is skyrocketing. Indeed, of the almost 700 publicly known cases across the last half century, more than a tenth were filed just last year.

• A Dubai real estate mogul and former business partner of Donald Trump was sentenced to prison for collaborating on a deal that would swindle the Egyptian people out of millions of dollars — but then he turned to ISDS and got his prison sentence wiped away.

Regardless, information I, as well as many others didn't know existed.
Politicians and their bankroll (corporations) certainly do.

 

[rupol2000]

I recently wrote on this subject. The genocide in Cambodia is the fault of the hippies. The fact that the United States is now in the ass is a direct consequence of the shameful surrender of Vietnam. It wasn't over yet, but then US also fucked by Taliban, and it even without hippi, biden and trump was enough

 

[rupol2000]

Radicals like Jane Fonda, David Dellinger, and Tom Hayden stormed the country, denouncing anyone who opposed communist victory in Cambodia and Vietnam. On the campuses, in the media, and in Congress, it was taken on faith that a Khmer Rouge victory would bring peace and enlightened leadership to Cambodia. American leftists were Pol Pot's cheerleaders - The Boston Globe

 

[Frankeneinstein]

nice! a tapping out emoji

 

[Frankeneinstein]

btw, why did ya substitute "Hanoi Jane" with Kerry, what did he have to do with this? did you feel it would be easier to get away with?