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Agreed.
It is also senseless to attempt to placate people who will settle for nothing less than the destruction of the American government.
If someone trades in a Lincoln Continental for a much smaller Toyota Camry, what did they destroy? NOTHING is the answer.
Wanting a smaller, less intrusive and less expensive government cannot be considered the destruction of the government.
Trying to bring about a smaller, less intrusive and less expensive government through shutting down the government can hardly be considered productive except by extremists.
I didn't expect this at all!
Washington (CNN) -- He spent more than 21 straight hours railing against any government funding for Obamacare. Then Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas joined the other 99 senators from both parties in voting Wednesday to move ahead on a spending plan expected to do just that.
The rare 100-0 vote on a procedural step means the spending measure that would avoid a partial government shutdown next week now can be amended by Senate Democrats to restore funding for President Barack Obama's signature health care reforms, which had been eliminated last week by House Republicans.
Surprise! Obamacare foe Cruz votes with Democrats on spending plan - CNN.com
Current US policy is that we do not negotiate with terrorists
Shutting down the government is terrorism
Well, all I can say is that America's got one hell of a lot of RW terrorists out there because I've been listening to them call in to RW radio shows and, one after the other, they keep screaming to shut down the gov't unless they get what they want.
Talk radio and other RW pundits who have for years preached a "my-way-or-the-highway" take no prisoners philosophy of conservatism (which just so happens to reject compromise and careful analysis of issues as opposed to a knee-jerk emotional reaction which talk radio exploits) has created a nightmare for the GOP because they can't reign these people in. They won't listen to reason. Hell, they hate 'reason.'
You want to know one of the reasons why McCain lost in 2008 and Romney lost in 2012? They had to pander to these emotional extremists, and the rest of the electorate looked on in horror at the kind of people who now comprise the base of the Republican Party.
Let the rest of America take a good hard look at these RWers. My prediction (such as it is) is that after listening to this RW emotional hissy fit, it's just going to completely turn off the rest of the electorate, and no amount of voter outreach in the next 3 years is going to repair the damage in the eyes of people who don't want the inmates running the asylum.
Shutting down government, defaulting on debts, extortion
These are the current terroristic tactics embloyed by the GOP. How much longer will the American people tolerate it?
Well, all I can say is that America's got one hell of a lot of RW terrorists out there because I've been listening to them call in to RW radio shows and, one after the other, they keep screaming to shut down the gov't unless they get what they want.
Talk radio and other RW pundits who have for years preached a "my-way-or-the-highway" take no prisoners philosophy of conservatism (which just so happens to reject compromise and careful analysis of issues as opposed to a knee-jerk emotional reaction which talk radio exploits) has created a nightmare for the GOP because they can't reign these people in. They won't listen to reason. Hell, they hate 'reason.'
You want to know one of the reasons why McCain lost in 2008 and Romney lost in 2012? They had to pander to these emotional extremists, and the rest of the electorate looked on in horror at the kind of people who now comprise the base of the Republican Party.
Let the rest of America take a good hard look at these RWers. My prediction (such as it is) is that after listening to this RW emotional hissy fit, it's just going to completely turn off the rest of the electorate, and no amount of voter outreach in the next 3 years is going to repair the damage in the eyes of people who don't want the inmates running the asylum.
Shutting down government, defaulting on debts, extortion
These are the current terroristic tactics embloyed by the GOP. How much longer will the American people tolerate it?
In other countries world wide the Republicans in the Senate would be known as "Members of the Loyal Opposition".
Conservatives in the House and Senate have not been voted in to come to Washington to obey their party's wishes, nor to obey Obama, nor to kneel down before Harry Reid.
They are there to represent the people who voted them into their positions and to fulfill the wishes of their constituents.
Don't you understand that?
Or do you just think every one elected to Washington should just fall down on their knees and obey the Democrats?
I suspect you do. How disgusting.
It's the President and Senator Reid who are saying unless you fund everything we are going to shut the government down, who are shutting the government down.
I wish you would be honest for once.
For your remedial education on government, I suggest the "I'm Just a Bill" cartoon from the Schoolhouse Rock series.
That is, we do not pass laws by renegotiationg funding for every single law every time a budget comes up. To change a law, you ... get this ... pass a new law.
Therefore, if the Republicans would like to change the law, they need to win some elections so they can pass a new law. What seems to be happening is the Republicans are now admitting they have no hope of winning enough elections.
Agreed.
It is also senseless to attempt to placate people who will settle for nothing less than the destruction of the American government.
If someone trades in a Lincoln Continental for a much smaller Toyota Camry, what did they destroy? NOTHING is the answer.
Wanting a smaller, less intrusive and less expensive government cannot be considered the destruction of the government.
Trying to bring about a smaller, less intrusive and less expensive government through shutting down the government can hardly be considered productive except by extremists.
It's the vote to proceed you liberal wankers. Good grief. You really are more ignorant than I thought.
I know both countries procedures. For shame you libs that you don't even know how your own government works and yet you have the nerve to debate on a political forum.
From Ted's own mouth morons.
The first vote we are going to take on this is a vote on what is called cloture on the motion to proceed.
Very few people not on this floor have any idea what that means and even, I suspect, a fair number of people on this floor are not quite sure what that means.
That will simply be a vote whether to take up this bill and to begin debating this bill.
I expect that vote to pass overwhelmingly, if not unanimously. Everyone agrees we ought to take this up, we ought to start this conversation.
TRANSCRIPT: Sen. Ted Cruz's filibuster against Obamacare | The Washington Post
You guys keep saying this but the point is, why after the filibuster or whatever talking point you feel the need to use for what Cruz did for twenty some hours, would he vote to proceed. He doesn't want to debate anything. His plan is obstruction.
Just like all the other teabaggers.
Liberals obviously can't grasp the simple truth that Senator Cruz was fulfilling his campaign promise to his constituents and other supporters to attempt to block Obamacare any way he could.
Liberals obviously can't wrap their brains around the difference between inside the beltway old rino assholes like McCain and a true public servant like Senator Cruz.
And there is no doubt now whatsoever that Liberals cannot grasp the meaning of integrity and living up to one's pledge to his voters.
Liberals obviously can't grasp the simple truth that Senator Cruz was fulfilling his campaign promise to his constituents and other supporters to attempt to block Obamacare any way he could.
Liberals obviously can't wrap their brains around the difference between inside the beltway old rino assholes like McCain and a true public servant like Senator Cruz.
And there is no doubt now whatsoever that Liberals cannot grasp the meaning of integrity and living up to one's pledge to his voters.
So, because Cruz lied to his constituents about being able to repeal Obamacare, he gets to shut down government to cover his ass
Liberals obviously can't grasp the simple truth that Senator Cruz was fulfilling his campaign promise to his constituents and other supporters to attempt to block Obamacare any way he could.
Liberals obviously can't wrap their brains around the difference between inside the beltway old rino assholes like McCain and a true public servant like Senator Cruz.
And there is no doubt now whatsoever that Liberals cannot grasp the meaning of integrity and living up to one's pledge to his voters.
So, because Cruz lied to his constituents about being able to repeal Obamacare, he gets to shut down government to cover his ass
Obama has over spent this nation by $7 trillion in less than 5 years.
Barack Obama is shutting down the government because he can't show an ounce of restraint and spend within his budget.
To much.So, because Cruz lied to his constituents about being able to repeal Obamacare, he gets to shut down government to cover his ass
Obama has over spent this nation by $7 trillion in less than 5 years.
Barack Obama is shutting down the government because he can't show an ounce of restraint and spend within his budget.
What did Obama spend $7 trillion on?
Bushs wars? Bushs tax cuts? Interest on Bushs debt?
Tell me how much Obama spending was?
Liberals obviously can't grasp the simple truth that Senator Cruz was fulfilling his campaign promise to his constituents and other supporters to attempt to block Obamacare any way he could.
Liberals obviously can't wrap their brains around the difference between inside the beltway old rino assholes like McCain and a true public servant like Senator Cruz.
And there is no doubt now whatsoever that Liberals cannot grasp the meaning of integrity and living up to one's pledge to his voters.
Actually..no.
This is what a filibuster SHOULD look like.
A Senator with a gripe, takes the floor and holds it.
I really agree with that.
I kinda praise both Rand Paul and Ted Cruz for doing that.
But..
Voting for Cloture????
Really???
No, not really.
100 Senators voted for cloture on the motion to proceed. What that means is whether to take up this bill and to begin to debate the bill or to continue to filibuster.
Some don't believe the Senate should debate a bill before voting for or against it. And, some don't know that cloture on a motion to proceed allows said debate to begin.
Some in the Senate were not familiar with this procedure. So naturally, posters would be confused on this.
Liberals obviously can't grasp the simple truth that Senator Cruz was fulfilling his campaign promise to his constituents and other supporters to attempt to block Obamacare any way he could.
Liberals obviously can't wrap their brains around the difference between inside the beltway old rino assholes like McCain and a true public servant like Senator Cruz.
And there is no doubt now whatsoever that Liberals cannot grasp the meaning of integrity and living up to one's pledge to his voters.
So, because Cruz lied to his constituents about being able to repeal Obamacare, he gets to shut down government to cover his ass
Your analogy doesn't work.
It's like trading a Boeing 777 commercial airliner for a fiat 500. It may well be smaller but it leaves alot of people out and doesn't go as far.
If the government were smaller it would be more efficient and there would be less waste and fraud ... because it would be smaller and easier to spot/find the problems. Who is 'left out' if the government is smaller?
Interesting..name one government in the world today..or throughout history that had a government like that.
I'd like to see how this model works.
Obama has over spent this nation by $7 trillion in less than 5 years.
Barack Obama is shutting down the government because he can't show an ounce of restraint and spend within his budget.
To much.Obama has over spent this nation by $7 trillion in less than 5 years.
Barack Obama is shutting down the government because he can't show an ounce of restraint and spend within his budget.
What did Obama spend $7 trillion on?
Bushs wars? Bushs tax cuts? Interest on Bushs debt?
Tell me how much Obama spending was?
Liberals obviously can't grasp the simple truth that Senator Cruz was fulfilling his campaign promise to his constituents and other supporters to attempt to block Obamacare any way he could.
Liberals obviously can't wrap their brains around the difference between inside the beltway old rino assholes like McCain and a true public servant like Senator Cruz.
And there is no doubt now whatsoever that Liberals cannot grasp the meaning of integrity and living up to one's pledge to his voters.
So, because Cruz lied to his constituents about being able to repeal Obamacare, he gets to shut down government to cover his ass
Obama has over spent this nation by $7 trillion in less than 5 years.
Barack Obama is shutting down the government because he can't show an ounce of restraint and spend within his budget.
No, not really.
100 Senators voted for cloture on the motion to proceed. What that means is whether to take up this bill and to begin to debate the bill or to continue to filibuster.
Some don't believe the Senate should debate a bill before voting for or against it. And, some don't know that cloture on a motion to proceed allows said debate to begin.
Some in the Senate were not familiar with this procedure. So naturally, posters would be confused on this.
Ah..so this is a common procedure eh?
Get up before a vote and speak for 22 hours?
Generally, that's referred to as a "filibuster". At least it was in the old days.
Damn whipper snappers and their new fangled watchma call its!
