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It is not an assertion it is fact proven by history it was not a civil warYou do not prove that by asserting it.
If the vast majority did not support anyone, we should have left them alone.
Why was it important? Vietnam is one of our trading partners now. Vietnam is the only country I can think of that decisively defeated the Army of Communist China. That happened during the spring of 1969. Remember?
All the United States needed to do to avoid that futile war was to sign and honor the Geneva Agreement of 1954.It is not an assertion it is fact proven by history it was not a civil war
We had a valid treaty and our treaty ally was attacked by a foreign power
Stopping communist affression is always important
All minh needed to do was hold elections and leave south vietnam aloneAll the United States needed to do to avoid that futile war was to sign and honor the Geneva Agreement of 1954.
All minh needed to do was hold elections and leave south vietnam alo
If you mean a Russian invasion or a Chinese invasion, I agree. I do not think we should protect unpopular dictatorships against popular insurgencies. We do not have any business telling the people of other countries which of their governments are acceptable to us and which are not.It is not an assertion it is fact proven by history it was not a civil war
We had a valid treaty and our treaty ally was attacked by a foreign power
Stopping communist affression is always important
And it was so easy for us to avoid that war. All we needed to do was to sign and honor the Geneva Agreement of 1954, and leave Vietnam alone.Vietnam was a debacle for America from start to finish, and we're still suffering from it.
Are you serious? You don't know that the Soviets and the Chinese provided massive aid to North Vietnam after the Paris Peace Accords? You really need to take a timeout and do some homework on the war.Can you document your assertion about massive Soviet aid and retraining after the Paris Peace Accords?
True. We were told that if we didn't fight 'them' over there we would have to fight them here.And it was so easy for us to avoid that war. All we needed to do was to sign and honor the Geneva Agreement of 1954, and leave Vietnam alone.
Eventually we did lose that wary, and make no mistake about it, we lost big time. What horrible things happened to us? Did the Viet Cong invade California? No they did not. Did we go stark raving Communist? No we did not.
Insurgency and invasion are the same thing and it was not popularIf you mean a Russian invasion or a Chinese invasion, I agree. I do not think we should protect unpopular dictatorships against popular insurgencies. We do not have any business telling the people of other countries which of their governments are acceptable to us and which are not.
As soon as we withdrew from South Vietnam the South Vietnamese government collapsed like a house of cards.
There was no reason to sign and honor the 1954 Geneva agreement.And it was so easy for us to avoid that war. All we needed to do was to sign and honor the Geneva Agreement of 1954, and leave Vietnam alone.
Eventually we did lose that wary, and make no mistake about it, we lost big time. What horrible things happened to us? Did the Viet Cong invade California? No they did not. Did we go stark raving Communist? No we did not.
Hector12 said:
Can you document your assertion about massive Soviet aid and retraining after the Paris Peace Accords?
mikegriffith1 said:
Are you serious? You don't know that the Soviets and the Chinese provided massive aid to North Vietnam after the Paris Peace Accords? You really need to take a timeout and do some homework on the war.
If you want to read about the Chinese and Soviet aid to North Vietnam after the Accords, you could start with Dr. George Jay Veith's book Black April: The Fall of South Vietnam, 1973-75 (Encounter Books, 2013) and Major General Ira Hunt's book Losing Vietnam: How America Abandoned Southeast Asia (University Press of Kentucky, 2013).
Why was that our concern?There was no reason to sign and honor the 1954 Geneva agreement.
Ming broke it called off elections and invaded
Insurgency is what happens to unpopular governments.Insurgency and invasion are the same thing and it was not popular
No it is what happens to any government when foriegn powers wish to overthrow themInsurgency is what happens to unpopular governments.
Because we had a treatyWhy was that our concern?
What did we gain by becoming involved in the War in Vietnam? How much worse would things be if we had left Vietnam alone?
We never should have agreed to that treaty. We should have sign ed an d honored the Geneva Agreement of 1954.Because we had a treaty
Communist insurgencies are unsuccessful against popular governments. That is why Thailand and India are not Communist.No it is what happens to any government when foriegn powers wish to overthrow them
We were right not to sign the 54 geneva agreement since Minh ignored and shredded it.We never should have agreed to that treaty. We should have sign ed an d honored the Geneva Agreement of 1954.
But they are launched against popular governmentCommunist insurgencies are unsuccessful against popular governments. That is why Thailand and India are not Communist.
