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Get back to us when you've had an education Frank. For now, though, do you accept or reject the report that the oceans have warmed - continuing to warm even during what you claim has been a hiatus in warming?
Get back to us when you've had an education Frank. For now, though, do you accept or reject the report that the oceans have warmed - continuing to warm even during what you claim has been a hiatus in warming?
A little warmer will only cost us hundreds of billions. A lot warmer will cost us a great deal more. And with opinions like yours, the "lots warmer" is virtually guaranteed.
Two out of three aint bad. But CO2 is the same GHouse gas 24 hours a day as far as back radiation is concerned. Unless you simply meant theres more heat loss at night without solar driven convection, .I love trick questions.. CO2 and its IR output at 14-16um does not penetrate the 0.1um of the surface of the ocean. it has no thermal value. Water vapor from the suns direct rays will carry off more heat than thermal IR can slow down. At night the heat loss is not retarded by CO2.No number.
Odd
Let's try again
How much will the oceans cool for each 10PPM reduction in CO2?
The answer is less than 0.05W/M^2 per cubic foot. (pretty close to zero)
Water vapor and convection at night can not be stopped by CO2. Thermal loss and lack of penetration into oceans means that loss is all that is going to happen at night. 3/3
Co2 doesnt Stop water vapor. As far as long wave IR (heat) goes, its the other way round.. water vapor kills a large portion of the heat absorption for CO2.
Co2 AND water vapor for that matter do the same IR absorption and back radiation to the surface at night, that they do during the day. Clear nights are colder than cloudy nights. Same deal with Co2, but its better homogenized than water vapor.....
PS: Where did you get 0.4? The Earth's temperature has increased over 0.9C. That would be over 1.6F. And the factor of 700 is not a ratio of degrees. It is a ratio of the amount of heat (measured in calories or Joules) required to raise the temperature of a given mass of a given material a given amount. A Joule, for instance, will raise one gram of water one Kelvin (Centigrade) degree. It will not raise one gram of air one Kelvin degree due to the difference between the specific heat capacity of water and that of air's.
Terribly sorry the universe is not as simply as you'd like.
A little warmer will only cost us hundreds of billions. A lot warmer will cost us a great deal more. And with opinions like yours, the "lots warmer" is virtually guaranteed.
Yeah right and all the apocalyptic predictions have come true so far.
Sorry but the world will not end if temps are a little warmer
PS: Where did you get 0.4? The Earth's temperature has increased over 0.9C. That would be over 1.6F. And the factor of 700 is not a ratio of degrees. It is a ratio of the amount of heat (measured in calories or Joules) required to raise the temperature of a given mass of a given material a given amount. A Joule, for instance, will raise one gram of water one Kelvin (Centigrade) degree. It will not raise one gram of air one Kelvin degree due to the difference between the specific heat capacity of water and that of air's.
Terribly sorry the universe is not as simply as you'd like.
And you have no clue...
700 times the amount of heat to raise water 1 deg C than it takes to raise air 1 Deg C. whether it is in joules or deg C the math is the same.
We would have to be experiencing massive heat in flux to create ocean temp rise that we are not seeing empirically.
0.02 deg C is not massive and within normal year to year temperature variations.
Just slight changes in the AMO and ADO will cause +/- 2 deg C regionally altering the global number far beyond the imagined increase.
Frank just needs you to post another graph for him. He shouldn't be playing with numbers like he is. That's for our scientistGet back to us when you've had an education Frank. For now, though, do you accept or reject the report that the oceans have warmed - continuing to warm even during what you claim has been a hiatus in warming?
As i read through these fear mongering threads it is surprising how many people do not think for themselves. Take what our government propagandists say as truth and fail to look objectively at their claims.
Were talking just 2 hundredths of a degree in temp rise. that amount is consistent with statistical error and inside the physical error bars of the measuring instruments. This level of error significance renders their dire predictions suspect to total fabrication and their scientific abilities/creditability as less than zero.
With their results within in known inability to measure accurately, this is total crap. Fear mongering.. Alarmist drivel.
Frank just needs you to post another graph for him. He shouldn't be playing with numbers like he is. That's for our scientistGet back to us when you've had an education Frank. For now, though, do you accept or reject the report that the oceans have warmed - continuing to warm even during what you claim has been a hiatus in warming?
So Oh Great Karnak how warm will it get?Too bad it won't be just "a bit".
its funny the increase of ice caps is increasing pressure and heating the water underneath. Just another sign of global warmingAs i read through these fear mongering threads it is surprising how many people do not think for themselves. Take what our government propagandists say as truth and fail to look objectively at their claims.
Were talking just 2 hundredths of a degree in temp rise. that amount is consistent with statistical error and inside the physical error bars of the measuring instruments. This level of error significance renders their dire predictions suspect to total fabrication and their scientific abilities/creditability as less than zero.
With their results within in known inability to measure accurately, this is total crap. Fear mongering.. Alarmist drivel.
Unless of course we're in a natural cooling period and man made global warming is countering this cooling period, of course.
And you have no clue...
I've got one hell of a lot more of a clue than do you. Have you taken thermo yet?
700 times the amount of heat to raise water 1 deg C than it takes to raise air 1 Deg C. whether it is in joules or deg C the math is the same.
I never said otherwise.
We would have to be experiencing massive heat in flux to create ocean temp rise that we are not seeing empirically.
What are you suggesting? Is something else warming the oceans or are they not warming as the scientists tell us it is?
0.02 deg C is not massive and within normal year to year temperature variations.
The increase in ocean heat content over the last 150 years is not with normal variations. Such a claim is patently absurd.
Just slight changes in the AMO and ADO will cause +/- 2 deg C regionally altering the global number far beyond the imagined increase.
"Regionally". The report is not one of regional changes numbnuts.
It's f
its funny the increase of ice caps is increasing pressure and heating the water underneath. Just another sign of global warmingAs i read through these fear mongering threads it is surprising how many people do not think for themselves. Take what our government propagandists say as truth and fail to look objectively at their claims.
Were talking just 2 hundredths of a degree in temp rise. that amount is consistent with statistical error and inside the physical error bars of the measuring instruments. This level of error significance renders their dire predictions suspect to total fabrication and their scientific abilities/creditability as less than zero.
With their results within in known inability to measure accurately, this is total crap. Fear mongering.. Alarmist drivel.
Unless of course we're in a natural cooling period and man made global warming is countering this cooling period, of course.
Oh they'll never give you numbers billy bob, so don't bother figuring it outIt's f
its funny the increase of ice caps is increasing pressure and heating the water underneath. Just another sign of global warmingAs i read through these fear mongering threads it is surprising how many people do not think for themselves. Take what our government propagandists say as truth and fail to look objectively at their claims.
Were talking just 2 hundredths of a degree in temp rise. that amount is consistent with statistical error and inside the physical error bars of the measuring instruments. This level of error significance renders their dire predictions suspect to total fabrication and their scientific abilities/creditability as less than zero.
With their results within in known inability to measure accurately, this is total crap. Fear mongering.. Alarmist drivel.
Unless of course we're in a natural cooling period and man made global warming is countering this cooling period, of course.
To be fair, the ice reflects heat from the sun but retains ocean heat under it. I'm not sure how much heat would be generated by pressures though, Not enough to melt it, that would have to come from external sources such as Volcano's..
Two out of three aint bad. But CO2 is the same GHouse gas 24 hours a day as far as back radiation is concerned. Unless you simply meant theres more heat loss at night without solar driven convection, .I love trick questions.. CO2 and its IR output at 14-16um does not penetrate the 0.1um of the surface of the ocean. it has no thermal value. Water vapor from the suns direct rays will carry off more heat than thermal IR can slow down. At night the heat loss is not retarded by CO2.No number.
Odd
Let's try again
How much will the oceans cool for each 10PPM reduction in CO2?
The answer is less than 0.05W/M^2 per cubic foot. (pretty close to zero)
Water vapor and convection at night can not be stopped by CO2. Thermal loss and lack of penetration into oceans means that loss is all that is going to happen at night. 3/3
Co2 doesnt Stop water vapor. As far as long wave IR (heat) goes, its the other way round.. water vapor kills a large portion of the heat absorption for CO2.
Co2 AND water vapor for that matter do the same IR absorption and back radiation to the surface at night, that they do during the day. Clear nights are colder than cloudy nights. Same deal with Co2, but its better homogenized than water vapor.....
The convection process does not lend itself to back-radiation (if there is such a thing) as the heat is trapped in water vapor which rises through the atmosphere unstopped by CO2.
