Warren and the Divine Right of Capital: Accountable Capitalism Act

[Not2BSubjugated]

Maybe you hate Walmart. I certainly don't enjoy shopping there.

Fine admission.

But the fact that they did retail better than everybody else isn't inherently evil.

Never said it was. But never let facts stop you..
The consistent problem is having too much, just as having too little is obviously a problem. Not being too clever.

You're right, you never outright said that outcompeting other businesses is inherently evil. However. . .

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

Walmart isn't forcing them to work in Cambodian factories.

No one forced Walmart into Cambodia either, but Walmart sure moved its fat ass in there to exploit their cheap labor and loose environmental regulations. Did you know Walmart was a big "Buy American!" screamer until suddenly... they weren't anymore

No one forced Walmart into Cambodia either, but Walmart sure moved its fat ass in there

That's terrible!!

Paying Cambodians to make stuff.

And, oh, happy day! Just LOOK AT THEM NOW!

^^^MOM!^^..............................................................................^^POP^^^ (forced out of business by Walmart!)

Hey, work for Walmart or die bitches. Hmm, reminds me of the Republican HC plan.

Perhaps you remember posting this^?

You made the claim that Walmart put them out of business in order to portray how bad it was for Walmart to move into Cambodia. Even included, "Work for Walmart or die, bitches!" The obvious implication of that statement is that Walmart, by putting this family out of businesses, was essentially coercing this family into working for them on threat of starvation and death. There's a word for people coerced into labor on threat of death: Slave.

So you're going to imply that you believe that defeating a business competitor is tantamount to enslaving that businesses owner(s) and the owner(s) family(ies), and then bust my balls for assuming that you meant that defeating a business competitor is inherently evil? So you don't believe slavery to be inherently evil, or is this your tacit admission that most of your argument has been insincere rhetoric?

 

[georgephillip]

Georgephillip, and you other far left Socialists, between Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos they have acquired roughly a quarter of a TRILLION DOLLARS in my lifetime. Specifically how much has their earnings taken from your income and net worth?

Not a penny more than I lost in this crime ...
[propaganda_omitted] ...

Accumulating wealth isn't a crime. I understand that you want to make it a crime, but it isn't in a free society.

Accumulating wealth isn't a crime. I understand that you want to make it a crime, but it isn't in a free society.

There's nothing "free" about a parasitic class acquiring wealth as a return on money amassed through a nexus between corrupt business elites and their equally corrupt political whores.

The unmitigated corruption of capitalist politics

"A note on capitalist elections is in order here in case any readers might still believe that we are discussing any semblance of democratic process in the periodic charade that is presented to the world wherein two billionaires and their corporate sponsors and media vie for the nation’s top office.

"Democracy in capitalist America is for the rich only, whether it be in the electoral arena or in the rarified one percent world of big capital, in which the Obama administration bailed out the nation’s leading and virtually bankrupt banks and related institutions to the tune of $32 trillion."

 

[daveman]

"Thursday's" ($19 million) "report urged the Corps to shift its formulaic cost-benefit approach on how it decides what projects are worthwhile. The agency was urged to look at potential environmental, societal and cultural losses, "without reducing everything to one measure such as dollars."

HWhyyy...the daveman wouldn't be caught dead doing that!

As if that's not exactly what socialism does.

Piss off, you dimwit.

 

[daveman]

Who said "Who cares"? Oh, you again. What a mess you are.

It’s a familiar problem: multinational corporations use layers of subcontractors to duck responsibility.

Walmart in particular is notorious for failing to enforce its own rules. Its supplier standards make it responsible for contractors’ behavior, but instead of forcing improvements, when a factory is caught in violations, it is easiest for Walmart to cut and run—firing the contractor and leaving workers with nothing.

You care, you don't care......your whining is very convincing.

For the record: I care. You don't. And proudly so. That much is obvious.

You care about them only as long as you can use them to attack Walmart. That much is obvious.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Georgephillip, and you other far left Socialists, between Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos they have acquired roughly a quarter of a TRILLION DOLLARS in my lifetime. Specifically how much has their earnings taken from your income and net worth?

Not a penny more than I lost in this crime ...
[propaganda_omitted] ...

Accumulating wealth isn't a crime. I understand that you want to make it a crime, but it isn't in a free society.

Accumulating wealth isn't a crime. I understand that you want to make it a crime, but it isn't in a free society.

There's nothing "free" about a parasitic class acquiring wealth as a return on money amassed through a nexus between corrupt business elites and their equally corrupt political whores.

The unmitigated corruption of capitalist politics

"A note on capitalist elections is in order here in case any readers might still believe that we are discussing any semblance of democratic process in the periodic charade that is presented to the world wherein two billionaires and their corporate sponsors and media vie for the nation’s top office.

"Democracy in capitalist America is for the rich only, whether it be in the electoral arena or in the rarified one percent world of big capital, in which the Obama administration bailed out the nation’s leading and virtually bankrupt banks and related institutions to the tune of $32 trillion."

the Obama administration bailed out the nation’s leading and virtually bankrupt banks and related institutions to the tune of $32 trillion."

Waahhh…..the Fed lent money overnight and the banks paid it back.

The banking system was saved......waahhh.

 

[georgephillip]

It's not about you.

Interesting discussion of that phrase. It can possibly be interpreted as supportive, damning, or anything in between. Context is necessary, but I'd venture it generally means "you are not the intended focus nor have "you" been asked to represent those who are.

of that phrase. It can possibly be interpreted as supportive, damning, or anything in between. Context is necessary, but I'd venture it generally means "you are not the intended focus nor have "you" been asked to represent those who are.

I had not considered the ambiguity of the sentence "it's not about you" when I wrote my response to Andy's latest anecdote about his time at McDonald's. I wanted to convey my belief that millions of other workers who may have found it difficult to find a "better job" toiled as wage slaves in an organization that paid its CEO 2124 times as much as the vast majority of its labor force.

Obviously, Andy's decision to leave McDonald's was all about him...

How to parse "It's not about you"

"As far as I could understand, this phrase somehow means 'You're acting selfishly and you don't have the right to do this'. But I am having a hard time putting that into the words 'it's not about you'.

"On the surface the words are gibberish.

"Of course a decision I make for myself is 'about me'. Does the phrase mean "a personal decision that affects you should not concern you'? That also makes little sense."

I wanted to convey my belief that millions of other workers who may have found it difficult to find a "better job"

I get that. You, or them, are both wrong.

You are wrong sir. Because I know these people, I've worked with them most of my life, and the moment they lose their job.... it's amazing how they are able to find another, after saying for years that they can't.

They are wrong. You are wrong too.

The current CEO of Walmart, started off as a crew member. Hourly wage, unloading trucks for Walmart. You can move up the corporate chain. You can choose to enroll in management training.

Or you can whine and cry, and post on a forum, that you can't get a better job.

Whiners stay where they are, typically because no one promotes a whiner. If you are store manager, and you have a whiner crying that they evil CEO makes too much, and they can't find a better job, and they are a wage slave.... would you promote them, so you have to work with that whiner more? No. I know this myself, because when I had to choose people to work with, I specifically did not pick whiny people to be promoted with me.

No one does.

Again, where you are in life, is 90% your choice, and only 10% your circumstance.

The current CEO of Walmart, started off as a crew member. Hourly wage, unloading trucks for Walmart. You can move up the corporate chain. You can choose to enroll in management training.

Why would you think succeeding at Walmart is a good thing, because YOU save money?

One SIMPLE thing you can do to avoid supporting sweatshops — Craig Greenfield

"According to this week's Phnom Penh Post, Cambodians working in factories supplying Walmart have been subjected to horrific workplace abuse ranging from forced labor to sexual harassment.

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

"And according to this report, "'almart’s commitment to labor rights in Cambodian factories is next to zero.'

"Disgusting. Walmart you make me sick."

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

Walmart isn't forcing them to work in Cambodian factories.

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

Walmart isn't forcing them to work in Cambodian factories.

Cambodians aren't forcing Walmart to exploit labor.
Which side gets rich?

Walmart’s black mark | Phnom Penh Post

"'Walmart is part of the International Labour Organization Better Factories Cambodia program, which covers all apparel and footwear factories in Cambodia,' the brand said. 'In addition, we actively engage with other brands, NGOs and the Cambodian government to support better transparency and dialogue among stakeholders.'"

"However, the study argues that Walmart is in fact 'notorious for being the most difficult large brand to communicate with'.

"'Whereas other large brands, even those who have received negative attention in recent years, have representatives on the ground in Asian countries, Walmart remains one of the few large brands that do not provide local representation for compliance issues,' it says."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Interesting discussion of that phrase. It can possibly be interpreted as supportive, damning, or anything in between. Context is necessary, but I'd venture it generally means "you are not the intended focus nor have "you" been asked to represent those who are.

of that phrase. It can possibly be interpreted as supportive, damning, or anything in between. Context is necessary, but I'd venture it generally means "you are not the intended focus nor have "you" been asked to represent those who are.

I had not considered the ambiguity of the sentence "it's not about you" when I wrote my response to Andy's latest anecdote about his time at McDonald's. I wanted to convey my belief that millions of other workers who may have found it difficult to find a "better job" toiled as wage slaves in an organization that paid its CEO 2124 times as much as the vast majority of its labor force.

Obviously, Andy's decision to leave McDonald's was all about him...

How to parse "It's not about you"

"As far as I could understand, this phrase somehow means 'You're acting selfishly and you don't have the right to do this'. But I am having a hard time putting that into the words 'it's not about you'.

"On the surface the words are gibberish.

"Of course a decision I make for myself is 'about me'. Does the phrase mean "a personal decision that affects you should not concern you'? That also makes little sense."

I wanted to convey my belief that millions of other workers who may have found it difficult to find a "better job"

I get that. You, or them, are both wrong.

You are wrong sir. Because I know these people, I've worked with them most of my life, and the moment they lose their job.... it's amazing how they are able to find another, after saying for years that they can't.

They are wrong. You are wrong too.

The current CEO of Walmart, started off as a crew member. Hourly wage, unloading trucks for Walmart. You can move up the corporate chain. You can choose to enroll in management training.

Or you can whine and cry, and post on a forum, that you can't get a better job.

Whiners stay where they are, typically because no one promotes a whiner. If you are store manager, and you have a whiner crying that they evil CEO makes too much, and they can't find a better job, and they are a wage slave.... would you promote them, so you have to work with that whiner more? No. I know this myself, because when I had to choose people to work with, I specifically did not pick whiny people to be promoted with me.

No one does.

Again, where you are in life, is 90% your choice, and only 10% your circumstance.

The current CEO of Walmart, started off as a crew member. Hourly wage, unloading trucks for Walmart. You can move up the corporate chain. You can choose to enroll in management training.

Why would you think succeeding at Walmart is a good thing, because YOU save money?

One SIMPLE thing you can do to avoid supporting sweatshops — Craig Greenfield

"According to this week's Phnom Penh Post, Cambodians working in factories supplying Walmart have been subjected to horrific workplace abuse ranging from forced labor to sexual harassment.

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

"And according to this report, "'almart’s commitment to labor rights in Cambodian factories is next to zero.'

"Disgusting. Walmart you make me sick."

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

Walmart isn't forcing them to work in Cambodian factories.

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

Walmart isn't forcing them to work in Cambodian factories.

Cambodians aren't forcing Walmart to exploit labor.
Which side gets rich?

Walmart’s black mark | Phnom Penh Post

"'Walmart is part of the International Labour Organization Better Factories Cambodia program, which covers all apparel and footwear factories in Cambodia,' the brand said. 'In addition, we actively engage with other brands, NGOs and the Cambodian government to support better transparency and dialogue among stakeholders.'"

"However, the study argues that Walmart is in fact 'notorious for being the most difficult large brand to communicate with'.

"'Whereas other large brands, even those who have received negative attention in recent years, have representatives on the ground in Asian countries, Walmart remains one of the few large brands that do not provide local representation for compliance issues,' it says."

Who said anything about getting rich?
You don't want to make cheap goods for Walmart......don't.

 

[georgephillip]

Few killers have filled more mass graves than capitalism

So, to prove how evil capitalism is, you post a graphic showing deaths caused by tyrannical government.

That didn't work out so great for you, did it?

So, to prove how evil capitalism is, you post a graphic showing deaths caused by tyrannical government.

Tyrannical capitalist government, you mean?


"Put on the U2 and The Cranberries and let’s down some green brew folks, it’s that time of year again.

"But while St. Patrick’s Day is cause to celebrate everything Irish-American, it’s also a good time to ponder just why more than a million Irish were forced to leave Ireland while another million were dying of starvation in such a short period of time in the first place.

"The answer, which also explains why millions of children are currently going without enough food in the U.S., has much more to do with market systems than Mother Nature."

EarthRx: The Irish Potato Famine Was Caused by Capitalism, Not a Fungus

Your first item: "Hurricane Katrina (deliberate faulty construction): 1,836"

It's handy when your first item is bullshit. Makes it easier to dismiss the rest as worthless, too.

Your first item: "Hurricane Katrina (deliberate faulty construction): 1,836"

It's handy when your first item is bullshit. Makes it easier to dismiss the rest as worthless, too.

What makes you"think" it's bullshit?
Something Trump told you.

No. Reality.

You blame capitalism for the deaths caused when NOLA flooded.

But reality is that it was a failure of government to adequately engineer and construct the flood protection system.

Government killed those people, not capitalism.

No. Reality.

You blame capitalism for the deaths caused when NOLA flooded.

But reality is that it was a failure of government to adequately engineer and construct the flood protection system.

Government killed those people, not capitalism.

Government owned by crony capitalists killed those people.
Your link:

Katrina Report Blames Levees

"Robert Bea, a University of California at Berkeley engineer and Corps critic, called Strock's comments and the report signs of 'a leadership in growth.'

"'They're catching up with the 1,000 years of progress of the Dutch,' Bea said, referring to the Netherlands' long, and mostly successful, history of battling the North Sea."

 

[georgephillip]

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

Walmart isn't forcing them to work in Cambodian factories.

No one forced Walmart into Cambodia either, but Walmart sure moved its fat ass in there to exploit their cheap labor and loose environmental regulations. Did you know Walmart was a big "Buy American!" screamer until suddenly... they weren't anymore

You should stop shopping at WalMart until they make all their goods in the US...….

You should stop shopping at WalMart until they make all their goods in the US...….

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

Walmart isn't forcing them to work in Cambodian factories.

No one forced Walmart into Cambodia either, but Walmart sure moved its fat ass in there to exploit their cheap labor and loose environmental regulations. Did you know Walmart was a big "Buy American!" screamer until suddenly... they weren't anymore

You should stop shopping at WalMart until they make all their goods in the US...….

You should stop shopping at WalMart until they make all their goods in the US...….

They pay more than 7% on their profits now...…..

 

[daveman]

So, to prove how evil capitalism is, you post a graphic showing deaths caused by tyrannical government.

That didn't work out so great for you, did it?

So, to prove how evil capitalism is, you post a graphic showing deaths caused by tyrannical government.

Tyrannical capitalist government, you mean?


"Put on the U2 and The Cranberries and let’s down some green brew folks, it’s that time of year again.

"But while St. Patrick’s Day is cause to celebrate everything Irish-American, it’s also a good time to ponder just why more than a million Irish were forced to leave Ireland while another million were dying of starvation in such a short period of time in the first place.

"The answer, which also explains why millions of children are currently going without enough food in the U.S., has much more to do with market systems than Mother Nature."

EarthRx: The Irish Potato Famine Was Caused by Capitalism, Not a Fungus

Your first item: "Hurricane Katrina (deliberate faulty construction): 1,836"

It's handy when your first item is bullshit. Makes it easier to dismiss the rest as worthless, too.

Your first item: "Hurricane Katrina (deliberate faulty construction): 1,836"

It's handy when your first item is bullshit. Makes it easier to dismiss the rest as worthless, too.

What makes you"think" it's bullshit?
Something Trump told you.

No. Reality.

You blame capitalism for the deaths caused when NOLA flooded.

But reality is that it was a failure of government to adequately engineer and construct the flood protection system.

Government killed those people, not capitalism.

No. Reality.

You blame capitalism for the deaths caused when NOLA flooded.

But reality is that it was a failure of government to adequately engineer and construct the flood protection system.

Government killed those people, not capitalism.

Government owned by crony capitalists killed those people.
Your link:

Katrina Report Blames Levees

"Robert Bea, a University of California at Berkeley engineer and Corps critic, called Strock's comments and the report signs of 'a leadership in growth.'

"'They're catching up with the 1,000 years of progress of the Dutch,' Bea said, referring to the Netherlands' long, and mostly successful, history of battling the North Sea."

That doesn't support your claim.

Hey, George, quick question here:

Have you talked anyone into supporting your political philosophy?

 

[Markle]

Government owned by crony capitalists killed those people.
Your link:

Katrina Report Blames Levees

"Robert Bea, a University of California at Berkeley engineer and Corps critic, called Strock's comments and the report signs of 'a leadership in growth.'

"'They're catching up with the 1,000 years of progress of the Dutch,' Bea said, referring to the Netherlands' long, and mostly successful, history of battling the North Sea."

New Orleans is widely known as one of the most corrupt cities in our country.

They are made up of numerous different, competing, levy boards. Each levy board would be allocated Federal funds to improve and maintain their levies. Much of the money was spent on self-aggrandizing projects for their particular area.

Ray Nagin, former mayor of New Orlean during Hurricane Katrina is currently serving time in prison for corruption and has been ordered to pay restitution of something over half a million dollars. He has claimed that he is destitute.

Ray Nagin is the mayor who promised that New Orleans would be rebuilt as a "CHOCOLATE CITY".

 

[Andylusion]

Interesting discussion of that phrase. It can possibly be interpreted as supportive, damning, or anything in between. Context is necessary, but I'd venture it generally means "you are not the intended focus nor have "you" been asked to represent those who are.

of that phrase. It can possibly be interpreted as supportive, damning, or anything in between. Context is necessary, but I'd venture it generally means "you are not the intended focus nor have "you" been asked to represent those who are.

I had not considered the ambiguity of the sentence "it's not about you" when I wrote my response to Andy's latest anecdote about his time at McDonald's. I wanted to convey my belief that millions of other workers who may have found it difficult to find a "better job" toiled as wage slaves in an organization that paid its CEO 2124 times as much as the vast majority of its labor force.

Obviously, Andy's decision to leave McDonald's was all about him...

How to parse "It's not about you"

"As far as I could understand, this phrase somehow means 'You're acting selfishly and you don't have the right to do this'. But I am having a hard time putting that into the words 'it's not about you'.

"On the surface the words are gibberish.

"Of course a decision I make for myself is 'about me'. Does the phrase mean "a personal decision that affects you should not concern you'? That also makes little sense."

I wanted to convey my belief that millions of other workers who may have found it difficult to find a "better job"

I get that. You, or them, are both wrong.

You are wrong sir. Because I know these people, I've worked with them most of my life, and the moment they lose their job.... it's amazing how they are able to find another, after saying for years that they can't.

They are wrong. You are wrong too.

The current CEO of Walmart, started off as a crew member. Hourly wage, unloading trucks for Walmart. You can move up the corporate chain. You can choose to enroll in management training.

Or you can whine and cry, and post on a forum, that you can't get a better job.

Whiners stay where they are, typically because no one promotes a whiner. If you are store manager, and you have a whiner crying that they evil CEO makes too much, and they can't find a better job, and they are a wage slave.... would you promote them, so you have to work with that whiner more? No. I know this myself, because when I had to choose people to work with, I specifically did not pick whiny people to be promoted with me.

No one does.

Again, where you are in life, is 90% your choice, and only 10% your circumstance.

The current CEO of Walmart, started off as a crew member. Hourly wage, unloading trucks for Walmart. You can move up the corporate chain. You can choose to enroll in management training.

Why would you think succeeding at Walmart is a good thing, because YOU save money?

One SIMPLE thing you can do to avoid supporting sweatshops — Craig Greenfield

"According to this week's Phnom Penh Post, Cambodians working in factories supplying Walmart have been subjected to horrific workplace abuse ranging from forced labor to sexual harassment.

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

"And according to this report, "'almart’s commitment to labor rights in Cambodian factories is next to zero.'

"Disgusting. Walmart you make me sick."

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

Walmart isn't forcing them to work in Cambodian factories.

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

Walmart isn't forcing them to work in Cambodian factories.

Cambodians aren't forcing Walmart to exploit labor.
Which side gets rich?

Walmart’s black mark | Phnom Penh Post

"'Walmart is part of the International Labour Organization Better Factories Cambodia program, which covers all apparel and footwear factories in Cambodia,' the brand said. 'In addition, we actively engage with other brands, NGOs and the Cambodian government to support better transparency and dialogue among stakeholders.'"

"However, the study argues that Walmart is in fact 'notorious for being the most difficult large brand to communicate with'.

"'Whereas other large brands, even those who have received negative attention in recent years, have representatives on the ground in Asian countries, Walmart remains one of the few large brands that do not provide local representation for compliance issues,' it says."

Then don't work there. Are you suggesting that those people have no choice but to work for Walmart? Like, are they marched in under guard like it was Stalin Russia all over again?

No. So just don't work there.

Now what I usually get from you people is.... they can't find another job.

Ok, but if you guys have your way, then Walmart would close down. They won't have job under your solution either.

So if both solutions result in them not having a job.... why not give them a choice? You know.... a free-market capitalist based choice.

If they really don't like working at Walmart, they can work elsewhere.

If they do like it, then they can keep working there.

If it was really that terrible, then no one would work there.

Why do you people always think you need to impose yourselves on everyone? Why do you feel the need to shove your nose, up everyone's butt?

Again, didn't you have parents that taught you to mind your own business?

 

[georgephillip]

"Section 5(b)(2) requires US corporations to have the purpose of 'creating a general public benefit', while section 5(c) requires that directors have a duty to consider the interests of shareholders, employees (including of subsidiaries and suppliers), customers, the community, environment, and the long-term."

The United States is in a minority of countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development that gives no representation of the workforce in corporate governance.[2]

The theory/practical gap has already been witnessed George

They always find a way to pit one worker ant against another

~S~

The theory/practical gap has already been witnessed George

They always find a way to pit one worker ant against another

I think that's true for an economy that depends on private for-profit capitalists to supply a majority of jobs, but what about New Deal jobs? FDR created about ten million jobs when the US workforce totaled about 50 million workers. If we apply the same ratio to today's workforce of 160 million, a unionized Green New Deal could lay the foundation for an economy where a majority of workers decides what, where, and when production will occur.

If we apply the same ratio to today's workforce of 160 million, a unionized Green New Deal

We already have enough unionized government employees leeching off the taxpayer.
We don't need millions more wasting our tax dollars to build more expensive, less reliable "green energy" idiocy.

More production.
Less Finance.

MAGA much?

Finance is useful. Finance adds value.

Unlike you.

Why don't you show the same chart for government? DURR.

Finance is useful. Finance adds value.

Unlike you.

Why don't you show the same chart for government? DURR.

Finance adds value.
Speculation destroys it.

America’s FIRE Economy

"We suspect you’ve seen a version of the following chart, which illustrates the secular decline in manufacturing and the rise of finance, insurance, and real estate (FIRE) in proportion to U.S. GDP.

"We’ve added a few years to the data series to give a better historical perspective of what’s taken place in the U.S. economy over the past 60 years.

"Note the crossover in 1986 and depending on where you sit it was either the Death Cross or the Golden Goldman Cross"

 

[Andylusion]

Government owned by crony capitalists killed those people.
Your link:

Katrina Report Blames Levees

"Robert Bea, a University of California at Berkeley engineer and Corps critic, called Strock's comments and the report signs of 'a leadership in growth.'

"'They're catching up with the 1,000 years of progress of the Dutch,' Bea said, referring to the Netherlands' long, and mostly successful, history of battling the North Sea."

New Orleans is widely known as one of the most corrupt cities in our country.

They are made up of numerous different, competing, levy boards. Each levy board would be allocated Federal funds to improve and maintain their levies. Much of the money was spent on self-aggrandizing projects for their particular area.

Ray Nagin, former mayor of New Orlean during Hurricane Katrina is currently serving time in prison for corruption and has been ordered to pay restitution of something over half a million dollars. He has claimed that he is destitute.

Ray Nagin is the mayor who promised that New Orleans would be rebuilt as a "CHOCOLATE CITY".

Yeah, that guy was a total hoot. Did you ever look up the NGO that he created after Katrina?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/craynagin

CRN Initiatives, LLC
Jul 2010 – Present9 years 5 months

Greater New Orleans & Dallas Areas

* Established to specialize in Management/Emergency Preparedness Consulting, Public Speaking and Green Energy Technology development.
* Travels extensively giving speeches and lectures.
* In 2011 published "Katrina's Secrets" book which provides a shocking first-hand account on how New Orleans overcame unimaginable devastation after Hurricane Katrina. It is available on all e-book formats and Amazon.
* Working to finalize and market unique self-sustaining solar powered street and red light systems along with compact residential and commercial solar generators.* Established to specialize in Management/Emergency Preparedness Consulting, Public Speaking and Green Energy Technology development.
​

He created an NGO to promote Emergency Preparedness....... and Green Energy Technology.

You know... because if I'm sending in large trucks with medical equipment.... it's very important that those trucks and medical equipment are not powered by something damaging the environment.

After all... what's the point of putting that guy on a ventilator if the ventilator is powered by a diesel generator? Seriously.... you are going to revive someone who almost drowned in hurricane flood waters, just to have him choke to death from diesel fumes?

Either use a solar panel.... or just don't revive him at all. His family will thank you for being so considerate.
(shhhhhh... don't bring up that it is usually cloudy after a hurricane).

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The theory/practical gap has already been witnessed George

They always find a way to pit one worker ant against another

~S~

The theory/practical gap has already been witnessed George

They always find a way to pit one worker ant against another

I think that's true for an economy that depends on private for-profit capitalists to supply a majority of jobs, but what about New Deal jobs? FDR created about ten million jobs when the US workforce totaled about 50 million workers. If we apply the same ratio to today's workforce of 160 million, a unionized Green New Deal could lay the foundation for an economy where a majority of workers decides what, where, and when production will occur.

If we apply the same ratio to today's workforce of 160 million, a unionized Green New Deal

We already have enough unionized government employees leeching off the taxpayer.
We don't need millions more wasting our tax dollars to build more expensive, less reliable "green energy" idiocy.

More production.
Less Finance.

MAGA much?

Finance is useful. Finance adds value.

Unlike you.

Why don't you show the same chart for government? DURR.

Finance is useful. Finance adds value.

Unlike you.

Why don't you show the same chart for government? DURR.

Finance adds value.
Speculation destroys it.

America’s FIRE Economy

"We suspect you’ve seen a version of the following chart, which illustrates the secular decline in manufacturing and the rise of finance, insurance, and real estate (FIRE) in proportion to U.S. GDP.

"We’ve added a few years to the data series to give a better historical perspective of what’s taken place in the U.S. economy over the past 60 years.

"Note the crossover in 1986 and depending on where you sit it was either the Death Cross or the Golden Goldman Cross"

Finance adds value.​

Speculation destroys it.​

investment in stocks, property, or other ventures in the hope of gain but with the risk of loss.

Durr

 

[Andylusion]

"45000 Cambodians work in factories supplying Walmart alone.

Walmart isn't forcing them to work in Cambodian factories.

No one forced Walmart into Cambodia either, but Walmart sure moved its fat ass in there to exploit their cheap labor and loose environmental regulations. Did you know Walmart was a big "Buy American!" screamer until suddenly... they weren't anymore

You should stop shopping at WalMart until they make all their goods in the US...….

You should stop shopping at WalMart until they make all their goods in the US...….

You people never learn do you?

The whole reason Apple invested so heavily into Ireland, was because of the lower tax rate.

Increase taxes on corporations will only result in corporations investing more and more outside the US.
When will you people ever learn? How many times do you have to keep trying the same failed policies, before you figure out they don't work?

 

[Andylusion]

So, to prove how evil capitalism is, you post a graphic showing deaths caused by tyrannical government.

That didn't work out so great for you, did it?

So, to prove how evil capitalism is, you post a graphic showing deaths caused by tyrannical government.

Tyrannical capitalist government, you mean?


"Put on the U2 and The Cranberries and let’s down some green brew folks, it’s that time of year again.

"But while St. Patrick’s Day is cause to celebrate everything Irish-American, it’s also a good time to ponder just why more than a million Irish were forced to leave Ireland while another million were dying of starvation in such a short period of time in the first place.

"The answer, which also explains why millions of children are currently going without enough food in the U.S., has much more to do with market systems than Mother Nature."

EarthRx: The Irish Potato Famine Was Caused by Capitalism, Not a Fungus

Your first item: "Hurricane Katrina (deliberate faulty construction): 1,836"

It's handy when your first item is bullshit. Makes it easier to dismiss the rest as worthless, too.

Your first item: "Hurricane Katrina (deliberate faulty construction): 1,836"

It's handy when your first item is bullshit. Makes it easier to dismiss the rest as worthless, too.

What makes you"think" it's bullshit?
Something Trump told you.

No. Reality.

You blame capitalism for the deaths caused when NOLA flooded.

But reality is that it was a failure of government to adequately engineer and construct the flood protection system.

Government killed those people, not capitalism.

No. Reality.

You blame capitalism for the deaths caused when NOLA flooded.

But reality is that it was a failure of government to adequately engineer and construct the flood protection system.

Government killed those people, not capitalism.

Government owned by crony capitalists killed those people.
Your link:

Katrina Report Blames Levees

"Robert Bea, a University of California at Berkeley engineer and Corps critic, called Strock's comments and the report signs of 'a leadership in growth.'

"'They're catching up with the 1,000 years of progress of the Dutch,' Bea said, referring to the Netherlands' long, and mostly successful, history of battling the North Sea."

The US Army Corp of Engineers, is not a bunch of Capitalists. Unless you can prove somehow, they were operating in a free-market capitalist system of levy building..... and good luck with that.

Moreover, since when is the local problems of a specific city, the problem of the US Federal Military?

New Orleans should be fixing New Orlean's problems.

Lastly, only idiot would look at a socialized system, run by a government, as being a Capitalist caused problem.

 

[dudmuck]

Trump was on Twitter calling for boycots of specific companies, encouraging the use of others, handing out my tax dollars as subsidies to farmers and billioniare business owners.

Thats your idea of free markets?

No of course not. That's why I didn't vote for him.

If you read something that is not a Free-Market Capitalist idea.... and I'm advocating Free-market Capitalism..... you are free to assume that I am not in support of an idea that isn't an idea I said I supported. Pretty easy.

Logic sir. Try it.

By the way, boycots are free-market capitalist ideas. You are free to go to...or not to go to... any company you do or do not wish to go to. That's free-market sir. Trump can't make me, or prevent me, from going anywhere. Free-market capitalism.

But subsidies.... no, I'm not in favor of taking money from one person, and giving it to another. I am not in favor of that when it is Medicare, Social Security, or Green-energy grants.

I'm against all subsidies. Again... I support free-market capitalism.

An explanation of how boycotts arent free market.

You might have a case if the boycott were called upon by a private individual, but when the highest government official is doing so, this is government intervention.

Subsidies: 9 of 10 counties that voted for Trump get subsidy.

You might have a case if the boycott were called upon by a private individual, but when the highest government official is doing so, this is government intervention.

Speaking about the economy at an event in New Hampshire, Mr Obama told Americans: “When times are tough, you tighten your belts.

“You don’t go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage. You don’t blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you’re trying to save for college. You prioritise. You make tough choices.”

The economy of the world’s most famous gambling and entertainment destination is heavily dependent on tourism and Las Vegans were already incensed by a comment from Mr Obama last year that companies should not use federal bail out money for trips to the city.


Barack Obama tells Americans 'don't go to Las Vegas'

You really want taxpayer funds to pay for play time in Las Vegas?

Obama was just telling people to spend money wisely when times are tough.
This is different than boycotting specific companies.

There are a SHIT TON of conventions held in Vegas regarding virtually every profitable industry you can imagine, due in no small part to insanely affordable weekday lodging rates during non-Holiday periods and the fact that there are few cities as well set up for conventions as is Las Vegas. Thousands of companies send managers and employees to such conventions every year, and very few of these companies use company funds, regardless of the source, to fund the recreation in which those employees engage while in Vegas.

If you don't presume that everybody in the private sector is a robber baron, that advice doesn't make a lot of sense.

Obama didnt boycott anything.
Trump called for plenty of boycotts

 

[Grumblenuts]

You made the claim that Walmart put them out of business in order to portray how bad it was for Walmart to move into Cambodia. Even included, "Work for Walmart or die, bitches!" The obvious implication of that statement is that Walmart, by putting this family out of businesses, was essentially coercing this family into working for them on threat of starvation and death. There's a word for people coerced into labor on threat of death: Slave.

Jokingly and already retracted besides. Responding seriously to Mr. Patriot's crap would just be silly. Sorry about your balls. I had no idea. But thanks for reintroducing wage slavery. Andy refused to believe the concept even possible earlier.

So you're going to imply that you believe that defeating a business competitor is tantamount to enslaving that businesses owner(s) and the owner(s) family(ies), and then bust my balls for assuming that you meant that defeating a business competitor is inherently evil? So you don't believe slavery to be inherently evil, or is this your tacit admission that most of your argument has been insincere rhetoric?

"So you're going to imply" is a lovely way to introduce your strawman to stab at. Beats "I infer" any day.. to launch such paragraphs of insincere rhetoric. Here's the actual telling part you somehow conveniently skipped right over:

The consistent problem is having too much, just as having too little is obviously a problem.

Want to get serious? Address that. Why do you suppose no one ever does? The sky is always presumed the limit.. Until one actually thinks about it..