"We are a nation of immigrants"

[KissMy]

The previous presidents set a bad president. If Jeb Bush ever gets elected, he will open the borders for the masses to roll in & then he will grant them amnesty. At least immigration has been net zero under Obama.

I am pissed that he is letting far too many stay here. Why shouldn't we charge a $50k fee for anyone to become an instant US citizen. That would eliminate the government moocher & cover the cost of immigration on our citizens.

The French who gave us the "Statue of Liberty" have restricted their immigration. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" for the French means give us only your high-skilled workers. We need to remove that wording from the statue.

Congress needs to get off their stupid partisan asses & fix these problems.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States.

This automatically denies the president the ability to grant citizenship.

Guess it's good he's not doing that then.

Can I inquire if you were just being sarcastic there?

Yes, you can.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

This automatically denies the president the ability to grant citizenship.

Guess it's good he's not doing that then.

Correct, he's not... as long as there's a Republican Congress to stop him.

What will the Congress do? They're a bunch of spineless bitches.

 

[g5000]

This automatically denies the president the ability to grant citizenship. An executive order is not meant to override laws passed by Congress, or the Constitution itself. The Congressional body was created to act as a check on the President's executive power.

The President has not granted citizenship, dipshit.

Your rant is built on a pile of warm bullshit.

 

[TemplarKormac]

This automatically denies the president the ability to grant citizenship. An executive order is not meant to override laws passed by Congress, or the Constitution itself. The Congressional body was created to act as a check on the President's executive power.

The President has not granted citizenship, dipshit.

Your rant is built on a pile of warm bullshit.

Sorry, he did.

The Executive Order would offer a legal reprieve to the undocumented parents of U.S. citizens and permanent residents who've resided in the country for at least five years. This would remove the constant threat of deportation. Many could also receive work permits. That would affect nearly 4 million illegal immigrants already here.

They must apply to this program every three years, too, so basically it is an open ended program that has no cutoff point. De facto citizenship.

 

[TemplarKormac]

As far as 'prosecutorial discretion' is concerned Andrew McCarthy puts it one way:

There are also many more fraud offenses committed in the U.S. than there are law-enforcement resources to prosecute them. So federal prosecutors, in an exercise of prosecutorial discretion, will often establish a fraud threshold amount — say, $10,000 – beneath which they will not open a case. But that does not mean you now have a right to steal $9,999.

If police in a big city are overwhelmed with violent crime and focus their attention strictly on murder, maiming, and rape, that does not mean it is now legal to go around punching people in the nose.

If the Justice Department decides it is going to target its anti-drug-trafficking resources against big time heroin and cocaine distributors, that does not mean that personal possession and sale of small amounts of those drugs is now legal — or, indeed, that the government should facilitate drug possession and sales.

Prosecutorial discretion means you are not required to prosecute every crime — which, since doing so would be impossible, is just a nod to reality. It does not mean that those crimes the executive chooses not to enforce are now no longer crimes.

Zachary S. Price of the Vanderbilt Law Review puts it another:

Without congressional action expanding executive discretion, the President’s nonenforcement authority extends neither to prospective licensing of prohibited conduct nor to policy-based nonenforcement of federal laws for entire categories of offenders. These forms of discretion, where they exist, require an affirmative delegation from Congress, because presuming them would conflict with another deeply rooted constitutional tradition: the principle that American Presidents, unlike English kings, lack authority to suspend statutes or grant dispensations that prospectively excuse legal violations. Moreover, even the Executive’s baseline nonenforcement authority is defeasible: Congress may restrict it by mandating enforcement in specified circumstances. ...

If the core executive function is to apply general laws to particular cases, the central legislative task is to formulate general laws and policies for the executive and judicial branches to implement. The executive branch thus exceeds its proper role, and enters the legislature’s domain, if without proper congressional authorization it uses enforcement discretion to categorically suspend enforcement or to license particular violations. This understanding ... has deep historical roots. English monarchs claimed “suspending” and “dispensing” powers—the authority to license illegal conduct either across the board or for particular individuals. Parliament repudiated these prerogatives in the Glorious Revolution of 1689, and compelling textual, structural, and normative considerations suggest that the Constitution entrenches a similar principle of legislative supremacy.

Enforcement Discretion and Executive Duty by Zachary Price SSRN

 

[TemplarKormac]

Just wait for Fox to tell you what Obama said.

Actually I prefer to read. Something beyond your capabilities.