We Need Government Healthcare Like Canada!

[OnePercenter]

If you want to see the left's heads explode, offer them universal healthcare with the stipulation that it is citizen run. No government or politician can touch it or the money. Their heads go BOOM!

I've been promoting universal healthcare run by a private, non-profit, for years. Conservatives call it "socialism."

 

[Markle]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Why can't we have both? Private insurance for those who want/can afford it?

Do we not have that already? Do we not have Medicaid for low-income households? Do we not have CHIP for the children of low-income households?

 

[BluesLegend]

If you want to see the left's heads explode, offer them universal healthcare with the stipulation that it is citizen run. No government or politician can touch it or the money. Their heads go BOOM!

I've been promoting universal healthcare run by a private, non-profit, for years. Conservatives call it "socialism."

We all know that if politicians and government controls it, it will be a corrupt mess. Also, able body mooching lazy deadbeats need not apply. I'm not going to work overtime to pay the healthcare bills for some fat ass lazy bum. I'm happy to contribute to the truly needy who can't work a job and need our help. I'm NOT going to fund FREE shit for everyone. Another stipulation, STOP demonizing doctors and nurses. Forcing them to work for less to fund this is not the answer. Our best and brightest will run from the healthcare profession in droves. You will get your healthcare from a bunch of stupid shit losers who scored a D- in school and accidently kill patients on a regular basis.

 

[Jitss617]

It’s funny you’re a Democrat do you like socialism which is communism which is what the Soviet union was. What do you think Putin is its like your your
Projecting what you really want lol

Long bow to draw. Pathetic.
Conservatives: Living in a sound bite world...and that's not a good thing. No substance.

It’s true.. democrats are communist (look at inner cities) soviet union was communist,, can you try to scare people and say Putin is a communist dictator like Stalin.. which you love! It’s like antifa they claim they are anti-fascist but they are the fascist lol

 

[Markle]

NOPE. I don't believe in benefits for those who don't earn them. Only exception in this case are children and the truly disabled.

PROGS want free healthcare because they're physically and mentally lazy. They expect the govt. to do their thinking for them, and take care of them, ON SOMEONE ELSE'S DIME. They lack the mental ability to comprehend they're feeding into weakness and laziness, though perhaps that's what they desire, misery loves company.

 

[Markle]

If Reagan hadn't deregulated the HMO Act we'd not be here today.

Why?

I've had an HMO for decades and it has been GREAT!

 

[Dragonlady]

Yet it is hard to find a Canadian who would trade their healthcare plan for ours

No, it really isn't. When we drivers are waiting to get loaded or unloaded, we have our BS sessions. When Canadian drivers are around, I always bring up healthcare to see what their view is. Younger and middle-aged driers told me how much they love it. The elderly drivers told me that stick with what we have, or we will be sorry in our later years.

Now I understand you're not a truck driver up north where you have this opportunity. But just go to any one of our northern hospitals and see all the Canadian patients we have. My sister works at the Cleveland Clinic, and she can find you plenty of Canadian patients that will tell you they'd love to trade their plan for ours.

You attend a "BS session" and you think all that's said is fact?

The question that comes to mind is; Who pays for the "plenty" of Canadian patients?

That I couldn't tell you. Most likely themselves. But it's not "A" BS session, we have them all the time. Not much else to do unless you want to play with your cell phone. At times it takes well over an hour to get loaded or unloaded.

A bunch of older truck drivers don't like the health care system. Ask older women how they feel about it. Older men are not really the best judges.

My poker buddy. 3 pack a day smoker, drinker, loved him some greasy food. Had a massive heart attack at 53, died in the emergency room, and the cracked his chest on the spot and brought him back, saving his life. He had quadruple by-pass surgery. 6 months later he could do nothing but complain. The doctor made him quit smoking, change his diet, and cut back his drinking. He had nothing good to say about him. He didn't like being told what to do.

Middle aged men are the worst patients ever and hardly the best judges of the system because men only go to the doctor when they have no other choice. I can count on the fingers of one hand how often my husband of 31 years went to the doctor, BEFORE he was diagnosed with high blood pressure at age 51. Thereafter, our family doctor made him go in every 6 months for monitoring and to renew his prescription. He didn't even GO to the doctor in the first 15 years of our marriage, except when he tore his finger off oiling his motorcycle chain. He wrapped it in a clean cloth and took it to the hospital where they reattached it, three months after our wedding. When he passed a kidney stone in year 15, he didn't even have a GP he could call.

Women have babies so that they're accustomed to going to the doctor if there is any kind of problem, because that's what we're told to do.

 

[Markle]

I don't know if I mentioned it but depending on the product you also have a $3000.00 to $8000.00 yearly deductible. Is it any wonder that consumer healthcare costs are the number one reason for bankruptcy?

 

[Markle]

Yet it is hard to find a Canadian who would trade their healthcare plan for ours

No, it really isn't. When we drivers are waiting to get loaded or unloaded, we have our BS sessions. When Canadian drivers are around, I always bring up healthcare to see what their view is. Younger and middle-aged driers told me how much they love it. The elderly drivers told me that stick with what we have, or we will be sorry in our later years.

Now I understand you're not a truck driver up north where you have this opportunity. But just go to any one of our northern hospitals and see all the Canadian patients we have. My sister works at the Cleveland Clinic, and she can find you plenty of Canadian patients that will tell you they'd love to trade their plan for ours.

You attend a "BS session" and you think all that's said is fact?

The question that comes to mind is; Who pays for the "plenty" of Canadian patients?

That I couldn't tell you. Most likely themselves. But it's not "A" BS session, we have them all the time. Not much else to do unless you want to play with your cell phone. At times it takes well over an hour to get loaded or unloaded.

A bunch of older truck drivers don't like the health care system. Ask older women how they feel about it. Older men are not really the best judges.

My poker buddy. 3 pack a day smoker, drinker, loved him some greasy food. Had a massive heart attack at 53, died in the emergency room, and the cracked his chest on the spot and brought him back, saving his life. He had quadruple by-pass surgery. 6 months later he could do nothing but complain. The doctor made him quit smoking, change his diet, and cut back his drinking. He had nothing good to say about him. He didn't like being told what to do.

Middle aged men are the worst patients ever and hardly the best judges of the system because men only go to the doctor when they have no other choice. I can count on the fingers of one hand how often my husband of 31 years went to the doctor, BEFORE he was diagnosed with high blood pressure at age 51. Thereafter, our family doctor made him go in every 6 months for monitoring and to renew his prescription. He didn't even GO to the doctor in the first 15 years of our marriage, except when he tore his finger off oiling his motorcycle chain. He wrapped it in a clean cloth and took it to the hospital where they reattached it, three months after our wedding. When he passed a kidney stone in year 15, he didn't even have a GP he could call.

Women have babies so that they're accustomed to going to the doctor if there is any kind of problem, because that's what we're told to do.

 

[August West]

Socialism doesn’t work why are you so angry?

Neither does pure capitalism. Just ask Cuba under Batista. Hell, just ask any South American or Central American shit hole...

No one is trying to escape from quasi-socialistic Costa Rica where they`ve enjoyed universal healthcare since 1961.

 

[Markle]

Yet it is hard to find a Canadian who would trade their healthcare plan for ours

The simple reason, they don't know anything else. They do know that if they want immediate and superior care, they have to go South of their border.

 

[Markle]

When was Bernie in Venezuela?

Bernie Sanders has profusely complimented the Socialism in Venezuela. What difference does it make if he visited the country?

FLASHBACK: When Bernie Sanders Agreed the American Dream Was Easier to Reach in Venezuela Than the U.S.

Katie Pavlich
Posted: Jan 25, 2019 12:20 PM

First up, Bernie Sanders. On his official Senate website, Sanders touts a "must read" op-ed that declares the American Dream more reachable in Venezuela than the United States.

These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?

FLASHBACK: When Bernie Sanders Agreed the American Dream Was Easier to Reach in Venezuela Than the U.S.

 

[Markle]

Huh

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What country do you live?

USA!

Then why did you write: "I worked with a guy who had to move to America because his pain level was a 7 and couldn’t be seen for months."

Freudian slip?

It's not that unusual and has been happening for quite some time.

Why Canadian premier seeks health care in U.S.

Millions of Americans do the same thing.
People are ditching US healthcare and flying to other countries for medical procedures they can actually afford
Americans still have to go abroad to get affordable health care

The numbers aren't even close.

Those who go out of the US for surgery are looking for procedures US physicians will not perform or are elective procedures after which many need corrective surgery in the US.

 

[Dr Grump]

Fishing and hunting is a right, everyone should be able to feed themselves.

Proof that neocon whackadoodles still live in the 19th century and wish for days gone by (whitey in charge, women in the kitchen, no EPA regs)

Now if you want healthcare, get a job and pay your own damn bills you lazy fat ass deadbeat moochers.

What a fallacy. Deadbeats wouldn't even make up 2 per cent of those that can't afford healthcare.
As an FYI, for your capitalist Utopia to work there has to be poor...so either look after them, or sow the seeds for communism and socialism...

 

[Dr Grump]

The numbers aren't even close.

Those who go out of the US for surgery are looking for procedures US physicians will not perform or are elective procedures after which many need corrective surgery in the US.

Link?

 

[Dragonlady]

Yet it is hard to find a Canadian who would trade their healthcare plan for ours

The simple reason, they don't know anything else. They do know that if they want immediate and superior care, they have to go South of their border.

The care is very inferior. You have a handful of excellent research hospitals, but your county hospitals are the pits. Unless you have the big bucks for the top hospitals you're screwed.

I could go to the United States and get a new knee for $50,000 next week. I can wait a few months and get one for $0. I'm not in pain, I don't walk with a cane. I get a pain every now and again, and I can't play tennis or dance - side to side motion is shot. So call me crazy, but I'm going to keep the $50,000 and get it done for free. I miss dancing but I'll miss the $50,000 even more.

 

[Markle]

I know Bernie used Sweden as example and Private Insurance there is $407 per year. What have you against Health Insurance that cost $407 a year?

Getting health insurance in Sweden: A complete guide

Tuesday, 04 September 2018
Sweden’s Universal Healthcare System Goes the Way of All Others
Written by Michael Tennant
[...]
Swedes, on average, pay over half their income in taxes, and their government’s healthcare spending is the third highest in the European Union. And what do they get for it?
[...]
Twenty-three-year-old Asia Nader, for instance, told AFP that she had to wait a year for surgery to repair a hole in her heart. A dental patient said he had to wait six months for a checkup. Prostate-cancer patients wait 120 days on average for surgery, but in one county the wait was as high as 217 days. Patients wait four hours on average to be seen in the emergency rooms of Stockholm’s major hospitals.

When patients do get to see doctors, they “complain about not being able to see their own regular general practitioner — and the ensuing lack of continuity — as a growing number of doctors and nurses are temporary hires employed by staffing companies,” notes AFP. Official numbers — which may understate the problem — suggest that 80 percent of the healthcare system is short of nurses.

Some hospitals are closing, while even new ones aren’t able to keep up with demand, reports AFP:

In Solleftea, the premier’s northern hometown with nearly 20,000 residents, the only maternity ward was shut down last year to save money.

With the closest maternity ward now 200 kilometers (125 miles) away, midwives offer parents-to-be classes on how to deliver babies in cars — which some have since done….

Frustrations peaked this year when it emerged that the bill for Stockholm’s over-budget state-of-the-art New Karolinska Hospital would tick in at 61.4 billion kronor (5.8 billion euros, $6.7 billion) — the most expensive hospital in the world.

And yet patients have had to be transferred to other overcrowded hospitals because some of the facilities are unusable.

Sweden’s Universal Healthcare System Goes the Way of All Others

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yet it is hard to find a Canadian who would trade their healthcare plan for ours

No, it really isn't. When we drivers are waiting to get loaded or unloaded, we have our BS sessions. When Canadian drivers are around, I always bring up healthcare to see what their view is. Younger and middle-aged driers told me how much they love it. The elderly drivers told me that stick with what we have, or we will be sorry in our later years.

Now I understand you're not a truck driver up north where you have this opportunity. But just go to any one of our northern hospitals and see all the Canadian patients we have. My sister works at the Cleveland Clinic, and she can find you plenty of Canadian patients that will tell you they'd love to trade their plan for ours.

You attend a "BS session" and you think all that's said is fact?

The question that comes to mind is; Who pays for the "plenty" of Canadian patients?

That I couldn't tell you. Most likely themselves. But it's not "A" BS session, we have them all the time. Not much else to do unless you want to play with your cell phone. At times it takes well over an hour to get loaded or unloaded.

A bunch of older truck drivers don't like the health care system. Ask older women how they feel about it. Older men are not really the best judges.

My poker buddy. 3 pack a day smoker, drinker, loved him some greasy food. Had a massive heart attack at 53, died in the emergency room, and the cracked his chest on the spot and brought him back, saving his life. He had quadruple by-pass surgery. 6 months later he could do nothing but complain. The doctor made him quit smoking, change his diet, and cut back his drinking. He had nothing good to say about him. He didn't like being told what to do.

Middle aged men are the worst patients ever and hardly the best judges of the system because men only go to the doctor when they have no other choice. I can count on the fingers of one hand how often my husband of 31 years went to the doctor, BEFORE he was diagnosed with high blood pressure at age 51. Thereafter, our family doctor made him go in every 6 months for monitoring and to renew his prescription. He didn't even GO to the doctor in the first 15 years of our marriage, except when he tore his finger off oiling his motorcycle chain. He wrapped it in a clean cloth and took it to the hospital where they reattached it, three months after our wedding. When he passed a kidney stone in year 15, he didn't even have a GP he could call.

Women have babies so that they're accustomed to going to the doctor if there is any kind of problem, because that's what we're told to do.

You'll probably find that in just about any country. But I was speaking of older guys; people in their late 50's or so. It was pretty much a consensus, just like the middle-aged and younger drivers who told me they love it. The older drivers told me about basically being ignored, living in pain, and pretty much being at the end of the line for non-life threatening care.

Doing a lot of reading on the subject, the only conclusion I can come to is that every healthcare system in the world has problems. Yes, we do too, it's just a different kind of problem other countries have. Ours is about access and affordability. Other places I've read where they can't find the personnel, long waiting times, avoidance of serious surgeries and things like that. In fact, I read an article about Canada several years ago and how they are facing a doctor shortage because so many females became doctors. When they started having children, they got out of practice to raise their family.

 

[Markle]

Yet it is hard to find a Canadian who would trade their healthcare plan for ours

The simple reason, they don't know anything else. They do know that if they want immediate and superior care, they have to go South of their border.

The care is very inferior. You have a handful of excellent research hospitals, but your county hospitals are the pits. Unless you have the big bucks for the top hospitals you're screwed.

I could go to the United States and get a new knee for $50,000 next week. I can wait a few months and get one for $0. I'm not in pain, I don't walk with a cane. I get a pain every now and again, and I can't play tennis or dance - side to side motion is shot. So call me crazy, but I'm going to keep the $50,000 and get it done for free. I miss dancing but I'll miss the $50,000 even more.

According to your profile, you live in Wisconsin.

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2019 Report
— Published on December 10, 2019
[...]
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have increased since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 20.9 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—longer than the wait of 19.8 weeks reported in 2018. This year’s wait time is just shy of the longest wait time recorded in this survey’s history (21.2 weeks in 2017) and is 124% longer than in 1993, when it was just 9.3 weeks.

There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Ontario reports the shortest total wait—16.0 weeks—while Prince Edward Island reports the longest—49.3 weeks. There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopaedic surgery (39.1 weeks), while those waiting for medical oncology begin treatment in 4.4 weeks.

The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.

From referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment increased from 8.7 weeks in 2018 to 10.1 weeks in 2019. This wait time is 173% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Quebec (7.2 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.8 weeks).

From the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment decreased from 11.0 weeks in 2018 to 10.8 weeks this year. This wait time is 92% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and about three and one-half weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable” (7.2 weeks). The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Ontario (8.0 weeks), while the longest are in Prince Edward Island (20.5 weeks).

It is estimated that, across the 10 provinces, the total number of procedures for which people are waiting in 2019 is 1,062,286. This means that, assuming that each person waits for only one procedure, 2.9% of Canadians are waiting for treatment in 2019. The proportion of the population waiting for treatment varies from a low of 1.7% in Quebec to a high of 5.8% in Nova Scotia. It is important to note that physicians report that only about 12.1% of their patients are on a waiting list because they requested a delay or postponement.

Patients also experience significant waiting times for various diagnostic technologies across the provinces. This year, Canadians could expect to wait 4.8 weeks for a computed tomography (CT) scan, 9.3 weeks for a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan, and 3.4 weeks for an ultrasound.

You are being redirected...

 

[Dragonlady]

Yet it is hard to find a Canadian who would trade their healthcare plan for ours

No, it really isn't. When we drivers are waiting to get loaded or unloaded, we have our BS sessions. When Canadian drivers are around, I always bring up healthcare to see what their view is. Younger and middle-aged driers told me how much they love it. The elderly drivers told me that stick with what we have, or we will be sorry in our later years.

Now I understand you're not a truck driver up north where you have this opportunity. But just go to any one of our northern hospitals and see all the Canadian patients we have. My sister works at the Cleveland Clinic, and she can find you plenty of Canadian patients that will tell you they'd love to trade their plan for ours.

You attend a "BS session" and you think all that's said is fact?

The question that comes to mind is; Who pays for the "plenty" of Canadian patients?

That I couldn't tell you. Most likely themselves. But it's not "A" BS session, we have them all the time. Not much else to do unless you want to play with your cell phone. At times it takes well over an hour to get loaded or unloaded.

A bunch of older truck drivers don't like the health care system. Ask older women how they feel about it. Older men are not really the best judges.

My poker buddy. 3 pack a day smoker, drinker, loved him some greasy food. Had a massive heart attack at 53, died in the emergency room, and the cracked his chest on the spot and brought him back, saving his life. He had quadruple by-pass surgery. 6 months later he could do nothing but complain. The doctor made him quit smoking, change his diet, and cut back his drinking. He had nothing good to say about him. He didn't like being told what to do.

Middle aged men are the worst patients ever and hardly the best judges of the system because men only go to the doctor when they have no other choice. I can count on the fingers of one hand how often my husband of 31 years went to the doctor, BEFORE he was diagnosed with high blood pressure at age 51. Thereafter, our family doctor made him go in every 6 months for monitoring and to renew his prescription. He didn't even GO to the doctor in the first 15 years of our marriage, except when he tore his finger off oiling his motorcycle chain. He wrapped it in a clean cloth and took it to the hospital where they reattached it, three months after our wedding. When he passed a kidney stone in year 15, he didn't even have a GP he could call.

Women have babies so that they're accustomed to going to the doctor if there is any kind of problem, because that's what we're told to do.

You'll probably find that in just about any country. But I was speaking of older guys; people in their late 50's or so. It was pretty much a consensus, just like the middle-aged and younger drivers who told me they love it. The older drivers told me about basically being ignored, living in pain, and pretty much being at the end of the line for non-life threatening care.

Doing a lot of reading on the subject, the only conclusion I can come to is that every healthcare system in the world has problems. Yes, we do to, it's just a different kind of problem other countries have. Ours is about access and affordability. Other places I've read where they can't find the personnel, long waiting times, avoidance of serious surgeries and things like that. In fact, I read an article about Canada several years ago and how they are facing a doctor shortage because so many females became doctors. When they started having children, they got out of practice to raise their family.

I read something a while ago that made a lot of logical sense:

Everyone wants healthcare that is good, cheap and fast. But you can't have all three. You can have good and cheap (Canada, UK), but it won't be fast. You can have good and fast (USA) but it won't be cheap.

Just to be clear. Not everyone waits, and God help you if you don't. My friend started feeling poorly Christmas Eve a few years ago. Cold and flu were going around, so she took cold pills and carried on. On December 29th, she went downtown shopping and collapsed on the street. She tolk her husband she thought her cold had turned to pneumonia. Her husband took her to Sunnybrook Hospital Emergency (near their home) where she was diagnosed with an extremely quick and deadly form of blood cancer, and told that had she gone home, she would have died in the night. She started chemo on January 2nd, as soon as her condition was stabilized, and they could get a full lab workup done. She stayed in hospital (very unusual) through 2 rounds of chemo, in the "safe zone", and an outpatient round of chemo when she returned home to solidify her recovery, when she was finally deemed to be in remission, but it was short lived. She was added to a research trial, to start in July, but by then she was done, and declined the offer. The cancer had drained her of all of her fight and she was ready to go. I miss her still.

This past summer my sister called and said she was going for lung cancer testing. She went to her doctor on Thursday, who sent her to the oncologist the following Tuesday, who scheduled bloodwork and an MRI for Thursday and biopsy on Monday. I dropped everything, made arrangements for a cat sitter and took the train to Montreal on Sunday. My sister is saying "I don't know why everybody complains about wait times. They must not have a good doctor, like mine". I nearly burst into tears at the dinner table. The good news is she did not have lung cancer. Instead it's another issue for which she will require a medication costing thousands of dollars every month. They have no private health insurance. My sister and her husband are solid home-owning working class folk. The kind of people who would be wiped out by the co-pays on all of this in the USA. She's hads to go through a extra hoops to get the drug, but she's getting it and all of this is being covered by her Canadian health care.

My husband's grandmother received cancer surgery at the age of 92, when she was so addled by dementia she didn't recognize any of us. I couldn't believe they didn't just make her comfortable and let her go. I can tell you similar stories about everyone in my family, myself included. I have never in my adult life received a bill, paid a co-pay on doctor or hospital, been refused or denied treatment, and this is the first time in my entire life I've had to wait for surgery.

Sign in a Canadian Emergency Waiting Room: Be grateful you have to wait. It means you're in no danger of dying. Thank you for your patience.