We really need to understand there are differences

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Lots more background for white people to latch onto, hundreds of years. Why would Black Americans not be racist? Reading about Nat Turner's violence and anger forced me to remind myself, and look up slave punishments: backs broken, babies tossed with pitchforks, skin flayed..........all on a regular basis to PROPERTY. Yes, many whites were against it........but when did it end? Only with war, and hundreds of thousands dead. Notes of a Native Son, The Fire Next Time, the entire Harlem Reanissance is not enough.

Hundreds of thousands of dead whites. They died so you could be free.


Why would Black America not be racist? There is a couple hundred thousands of reasons right there.

Millions of dead blacks who really died so I could be free.

Nope. THeir deaths were part of the system and contributed nothing towards ending it.

That was white people fighting, the United States army, that freed your ancestors.

Wrong.

Blacks died fighting for freedom from day 1 long before the civil war. So stop lying to yourself.

He wasn't tanking about the small percentage of union, (or confederate) troops that were black. He was talking about slaves.


The deaths of slaves though the normal course of slavery, did not contribute to the end of slavery, other than in the pity it stirred in the hearts of whites.

Yes it did. Just get that lie out of your head asswipe, that whites died to make us free while we did nothing. The whites fighting in the civil war weren't even fighting to free slaves n the first place. That is not what they were told.

 

[IM2]

If you don't know, shut up.

He or she was trying to say something TO ME, so why don't you be the one to shut up.

No.

Then saying something that doesn't embarrass you with your stupidity.

You are the only one here embarrassing yourself bigot.

And you know that you are lying.

Nah. I know that you are trying to pawn off make believe history that makes loser whites like you feel good about yourselves.

 

[Correll]

Hundreds of thousands of dead whites. They died so you could be free.


Why would Black America not be racist? There is a couple hundred thousands of reasons right there.

Millions of dead blacks who really died so I could be free.

Nope. THeir deaths were part of the system and contributed nothing towards ending it.

That was white people fighting, the United States army, that freed your ancestors.

Wrong.

Blacks died fighting for freedom from day 1 long before the civil war. So stop lying to yourself.

He wasn't tanking about the small percentage of union, (or confederate) troops that were black. He was talking about slaves.


The deaths of slaves though the normal course of slavery, did not contribute to the end of slavery, other than in the pity it stirred in the hearts of whites.

Yes it did. Just get that lie out of your head asswipe, that whites died to make us free while we did nothing. The whites fighting in the civil war weren't even fighting to free slaves n the first place. That is not what they were told.

You were slaves. You did not have the opportunity to do very much. It is in the nature of slavery.


The northern whites elected a president knowing that he was a rabid anti-slavery guy, and that south would be very unhappy about that.


THey fought knowing that if not for the slavery issue, the fight would likely not be happening.


The end result was America as it was, but without slavery. And a much poorer south.

 

[Correll]

He or she was trying to say something TO ME, so why don't you be the one to shut up.

No.

Then saying something that doesn't embarrass you with your stupidity.

You are the only one here embarrassing yourself bigot.

And you know that you are lying.

Nah. I know that you are trying to pawn off make believe history that makes loser whites like you feel good about yourselves.

Nope. YOu know that's a lie too.

 

[IM2]

Black lives, bodies and children.

Which is what motivated the anti-slavery people like Lincoln to fight such a bloody war.

Does that count for anything in your world?

Here we go with this shit again. Lincoln didn't give a damn about blacks..

Yep. Like many (all?) politicians he said different things to different people, depending on political reasons.


SO what do you do then?


Look at his actions to see which he really meant.


What were his actions?


Grinding the South to powder and freeing the slaves.

His action was done to save the union. Because when you read the EP, he never freed any slaves but those in the confederacy and they were not part of the US.

 

[Correll]

Which is what motivated the anti-slavery people like Lincoln to fight such a bloody war.

Does that count for anything in your world?

Here we go with this shit again. Lincoln didn't give a damn about blacks..

Yep. Like many (all?) politicians he said different things to different people, depending on political reasons.


SO what do you do then?


Look at his actions to see which he really meant.


What were his actions?


Grinding the South to powder and freeing the slaves.

His action was done to save the union. Because when you read the EP, he never freed any slaves but those in the confederacy and they were not part of the US.

If he had resigned, and let his vp have the office, the war would never have happened, now would it?


Hell, if he had not run, there would have been no threat to the union.

 

[IM2]

Millions of dead blacks who really died so I could be free.

Nope. THeir deaths were part of the system and contributed nothing towards ending it.

That was white people fighting, the United States army, that freed your ancestors.

Wrong.

Blacks died fighting for freedom from day 1 long before the civil war. So stop lying to yourself.

He wasn't tanking about the small percentage of union, (or confederate) troops that were black. He was talking about slaves.


The deaths of slaves though the normal course of slavery, did not contribute to the end of slavery, other than in the pity it stirred in the hearts of whites.

Yes it did. Just get that lie out of your head asswipe, that whites died to make us free while we did nothing. The whites fighting in the civil war weren't even fighting to free slaves n the first place. That is not what they were told.

You were slaves. You did not have the opportunity to do very much. It is in the nature of slavery.


The northern whites elected a president knowing that he was a rabid anti-slavery guy, and that south would be very unhappy about that.


THey fought knowing that if not for the slavery issue, the fight would likely not be happening.


The end result was America as it was, but without slavery. And a much poorer south.

We were slaves but we fought slavery. And died doing so. We fought slavery from he beginning of it.

Your imaginary version of history just is not so.

 

[IM2]

Here we go with this shit again. Lincoln didn't give a damn about blacks..

Yep. Like many (all?) politicians he said different things to different people, depending on political reasons.


SO what do you do then?


Look at his actions to see which he really meant.


What were his actions?


Grinding the South to powder and freeing the slaves.

His action was done to save the union. Because when you read the EP, he never freed any slaves but those in the confederacy and they were not part of the US.

If he had resigned, and let his vp have the office, the war would never have happened, now would it?


Hell, if he had not run, there would have been no threat to the union.

Your imaginary version of history is just not so.

 

[IM2]

No.

Then saying something that doesn't embarrass you with your stupidity.

You are the only one here embarrassing yourself bigot.

And you know that you are lying.

Nah. I know that you are trying to pawn off make believe history that makes loser whites like you feel good about yourselves.

Nope. YOu know that's a lie too.

Apparently it is not.

 

[IM2]

For too many times here I have argued with mods about the content here in this section. Far too many times I get responses back with false equivalences of equal racism between blacks and whites. I think we need to understand that there is a difference here and an important distinction needs to be made relative to this matter.

What we call racism by standard has been a general belief by whites not based on anything but a shared ideal that certain people are inferior to whites, What is referred to as black racism is the angry response to people who tell us we are inferior.

There is a major difference and intelligent adults should be able to recognize that difference and try understanding how you would feel if you were the group told how you were all stupid, that your race has never done anything, and that if not for the white man you'd be nothing. I don't think you'd appreciate being called a racist for saying your race is superior after reading pages of how inferior you are to whites in every way. Only a human with no personal pride would accept this kind if constant denigration without fighting back. Yet here blacks doing this are called racists.

Blacks did not choose to come here on the Mayflower with a belief they were superior and more civilized than everyone else. We were bought here on ships like the Amistad then sold into lifetime bondage because of that belief. Then after slavery was made illegal whites created another system on inequality that continued to enforce that same belief for an additional 100 plus years. Only in the last 52 years have blacks been at least free from overt racist beliefs from whites. 52 YEARS! Therefore to try making our experiences here the same and our responses to race and racism the same as whites is erroneous and this error is what needs to stop .

We were bought here on ships like the Amistad then sold into lifetime bondage because of that belief.

We?
Just how old are you?

Old enough to say we were bought over here on ships just like you whites say we were freed from Britain.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nope. THeir deaths were part of the system and contributed nothing towards ending it.

That was white people fighting, the United States army, that freed your ancestors.

Wrong.

Blacks died fighting for freedom from day 1 long before the civil war. So stop lying to yourself.

He wasn't tanking about the small percentage of union, (or confederate) troops that were black. He was talking about slaves.


The deaths of slaves though the normal course of slavery, did not contribute to the end of slavery, other than in the pity it stirred in the hearts of whites.

Yes it did. Just get that lie out of your head asswipe, that whites died to make us free while we did nothing. The whites fighting in the civil war weren't even fighting to free slaves n the first place. That is not what they were told.

You were slaves. You did not have the opportunity to do very much. It is in the nature of slavery.


The northern whites elected a president knowing that he was a rabid anti-slavery guy, and that south would be very unhappy about that.


THey fought knowing that if not for the slavery issue, the fight would likely not be happening.


The end result was America as it was, but without slavery. And a much poorer south.

We were slaves but we fought slavery. And died doing so. We fought slavery from he beginning of it.

Your imaginary version of history just is not so.

We were slaves but we fought slavery.

You were never a slave. Not even for a moment.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For too many times here I have argued with mods about the content here in this section. Far too many times I get responses back with false equivalences of equal racism between blacks and whites. I think we need to understand that there is a difference here and an important distinction needs to be made relative to this matter.

What we call racism by standard has been a general belief by whites not based on anything but a shared ideal that certain people are inferior to whites, What is referred to as black racism is the angry response to people who tell us we are inferior.

There is a major difference and intelligent adults should be able to recognize that difference and try understanding how you would feel if you were the group told how you were all stupid, that your race has never done anything, and that if not for the white man you'd be nothing. I don't think you'd appreciate being called a racist for saying your race is superior after reading pages of how inferior you are to whites in every way. Only a human with no personal pride would accept this kind if constant denigration without fighting back. Yet here blacks doing this are called racists.

Blacks did not choose to come here on the Mayflower with a belief they were superior and more civilized than everyone else. We were bought here on ships like the Amistad then sold into lifetime bondage because of that belief. Then after slavery was made illegal whites created another system on inequality that continued to enforce that same belief for an additional 100 plus years. Only in the last 52 years have blacks been at least free from overt racist beliefs from whites. 52 YEARS! Therefore to try making our experiences here the same and our responses to race and racism the same as whites is erroneous and this error is what needs to stop .

We were bought here on ships like the Amistad then sold into lifetime bondage because of that belief.

We?
Just how old are you?

Old enough to say we were bought over here on ships just like you whites say we were freed from Britain.

Old enough to say we were bought over here on ships just like you

You weren't brought here on a ship. Neither was I.

 

[IM2]

For too many times here I have argued with mods about the content here in this section. Far too many times I get responses back with false equivalences of equal racism between blacks and whites. I think we need to understand that there is a difference here and an important distinction needs to be made relative to this matter.

What we call racism by standard has been a general belief by whites not based on anything but a shared ideal that certain people are inferior to whites, What is referred to as black racism is the angry response to people who tell us we are inferior.

There is a major difference and intelligent adults should be able to recognize that difference and try understanding how you would feel if you were the group told how you were all stupid, that your race has never done anything, and that if not for the white man you'd be nothing. I don't think you'd appreciate being called a racist for saying your race is superior after reading pages of how inferior you are to whites in every way. Only a human with no personal pride would accept this kind if constant denigration without fighting back. Yet here blacks doing this are called racists.

Blacks did not choose to come here on the Mayflower with a belief they were superior and more civilized than everyone else. We were bought here on ships like the Amistad then sold into lifetime bondage because of that belief. Then after slavery was made illegal whites created another system on inequality that continued to enforce that same belief for an additional 100 plus years. Only in the last 52 years have blacks been at least free from overt racist beliefs from whites. 52 YEARS! Therefore to try making our experiences here the same and our responses to race and racism the same as whites is erroneous and this error is what needs to stop .

We were bought here on ships like the Amistad then sold into lifetime bondage because of that belief.

We?
Just how old are you?

Old enough to say we were bought over here on ships just like you whites say we were freed from Britain.

Old enough to say we were bought over here on ships just like you

You weren't brought here on a ship. Neither was I.

We were bought here on ships. And this attempt to derail with this common stupidity just isn't going to get you anywhere.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For too many times here I have argued with mods about the content here in this section. Far too many times I get responses back with false equivalences of equal racism between blacks and whites. I think we need to understand that there is a difference here and an important distinction needs to be made relative to this matter.

What we call racism by standard has been a general belief by whites not based on anything but a shared ideal that certain people are inferior to whites, What is referred to as black racism is the angry response to people who tell us we are inferior.

There is a major difference and intelligent adults should be able to recognize that difference and try understanding how you would feel if you were the group told how you were all stupid, that your race has never done anything, and that if not for the white man you'd be nothing. I don't think you'd appreciate being called a racist for saying your race is superior after reading pages of how inferior you are to whites in every way. Only a human with no personal pride would accept this kind if constant denigration without fighting back. Yet here blacks doing this are called racists.

Blacks did not choose to come here on the Mayflower with a belief they were superior and more civilized than everyone else. We were bought here on ships like the Amistad then sold into lifetime bondage because of that belief. Then after slavery was made illegal whites created another system on inequality that continued to enforce that same belief for an additional 100 plus years. Only in the last 52 years have blacks been at least free from overt racist beliefs from whites. 52 YEARS! Therefore to try making our experiences here the same and our responses to race and racism the same as whites is erroneous and this error is what needs to stop .

We were bought here on ships like the Amistad then sold into lifetime bondage because of that belief.

We?
Just how old are you?

Old enough to say we were bought over here on ships just like you whites say we were freed from Britain.

Old enough to say we were bought over here on ships just like you

You weren't brought here on a ship. Neither was I.

We were bought here on ships. And this attempt to derail with this common stupidity just isn't going to get you anywhere.

We were bought here on ships

Bullshit.

You were born here.
I was born here.

Do you ever stop whining?

 

[Correll]

Then saying something that doesn't embarrass you with your stupidity.

You are the only one here embarrassing yourself bigot.

And you know that you are lying.

Nah. I know that you are trying to pawn off make believe history that makes loser whites like you feel good about yourselves.

Nope. YOu know that's a lie too.

Apparently it is not.

Totally, and you know it.

 

[Correll]

Nope. THeir deaths were part of the system and contributed nothing towards ending it.

That was white people fighting, the United States army, that freed your ancestors.

Wrong.

Blacks died fighting for freedom from day 1 long before the civil war. So stop lying to yourself.

He wasn't tanking about the small percentage of union, (or confederate) troops that were black. He was talking about slaves.


The deaths of slaves though the normal course of slavery, did not contribute to the end of slavery, other than in the pity it stirred in the hearts of whites.

Yes it did. Just get that lie out of your head asswipe, that whites died to make us free while we did nothing. The whites fighting in the civil war weren't even fighting to free slaves n the first place. That is not what they were told.

You were slaves. You did not have the opportunity to do very much. It is in the nature of slavery.


The northern whites elected a president knowing that he was a rabid anti-slavery guy, and that south would be very unhappy about that.


THey fought knowing that if not for the slavery issue, the fight would likely not be happening.


The end result was America as it was, but without slavery. And a much poorer south.

We were slaves but we fought slavery. And died doing so. We fought slavery from he beginning of it.

Your imaginary version of history just is not so.

Any long lasting system of slavery is all about dealing with the resistance of people who don't want to work for nothing.



That's more than "part of slavery", that's what slavery IS.


The failed resistance of a slave here or there, or a few that managed to run away is not what ended slavery.


It was these guys.

 

[Correll]

Yep. Like many (all?) politicians he said different things to different people, depending on political reasons.


SO what do you do then?


Look at his actions to see which he really meant.


What were his actions?


Grinding the South to powder and freeing the slaves.

His action was done to save the union. Because when you read the EP, he never freed any slaves but those in the confederacy and they were not part of the US.

If he had resigned, and let his vp have the office, the war would never have happened, now would it?


Hell, if he had not run, there would have been no threat to the union.

Your imaginary version of history is just not so.

You quote from Lincoln said all he wanted was to save the union.


The easiest way to do that would have been to give the southern states what they wanted.


If they don't rebel, the union is fine.


Instead, he just happened to find that the best way to save the union was to end slavery and crush the South.


You judge a politician by what he does, not what he says.

 

[IM2]

Wrong.

Blacks died fighting for freedom from day 1 long before the civil war. So stop lying to yourself.

He wasn't tanking about the small percentage of union, (or confederate) troops that were black. He was talking about slaves.


The deaths of slaves though the normal course of slavery, did not contribute to the end of slavery, other than in the pity it stirred in the hearts of whites.

Yes it did. Just get that lie out of your head asswipe, that whites died to make us free while we did nothing. The whites fighting in the civil war weren't even fighting to free slaves n the first place. That is not what they were told.

You were slaves. You did not have the opportunity to do very much. It is in the nature of slavery.


The northern whites elected a president knowing that he was a rabid anti-slavery guy, and that south would be very unhappy about that.


THey fought knowing that if not for the slavery issue, the fight would likely not be happening.


The end result was America as it was, but without slavery. And a much poorer south.

We were slaves but we fought slavery. And died doing so. We fought slavery from he beginning of it.

Your imaginary version of history just is not so.

Any long lasting system of slavery is all about dealing with the resistance of people who don't want to work for nothing.



That's more than "part of slavery", that's what slavery IS.


The failed resistance of a slave here or there, or a few that managed to run away is not what ended slavery.


It was these guys.

Too bad that's not so.

 

[Correll]

He wasn't tanking about the small percentage of union, (or confederate) troops that were black. He was talking about slaves.


The deaths of slaves though the normal course of slavery, did not contribute to the end of slavery, other than in the pity it stirred in the hearts of whites.

Yes it did. Just get that lie out of your head asswipe, that whites died to make us free while we did nothing. The whites fighting in the civil war weren't even fighting to free slaves n the first place. That is not what they were told.

You were slaves. You did not have the opportunity to do very much. It is in the nature of slavery.


The northern whites elected a president knowing that he was a rabid anti-slavery guy, and that south would be very unhappy about that.


THey fought knowing that if not for the slavery issue, the fight would likely not be happening.


The end result was America as it was, but without slavery. And a much poorer south.

We were slaves but we fought slavery. And died doing so. We fought slavery from he beginning of it.

Your imaginary version of history just is not so.

Any long lasting system of slavery is all about dealing with the resistance of people who don't want to work for nothing.



That's more than "part of slavery", that's what slavery IS.


The failed resistance of a slave here or there, or a few that managed to run away is not what ended slavery.


It was these guys.

Too bad that's not so.

The Union army did not win the Civil War and end slavery in the United States?


Tell me some more about how educated you are! LOL!!!

 

[IM2]

Yep. Like many (all?) politicians he said different things to different people, depending on political reasons.


SO what do you do then?


Look at his actions to see which he really meant.


What were his actions?


Grinding the South to powder and freeing the slaves.

His action was done to save the union. Because when you read the EP, he never freed any slaves but those in the confederacy and they were not part of the US.

If he had resigned, and let his vp have the office, the war would never have happened, now would it?


Hell, if he had not run, there would have been no threat to the union.

Your imaginary version of history is just not so.

You quote from Lincoln said all he wanted was to save the union.


The easiest way to do that would have been to give the southern states what they wanted.


If they don't rebel, the union is fine.


Instead, he just happened to find that the best way to save the union was to end slavery and crush the South.


You judge a politician by what he does, not what he says.

The war was not fought over slavery. We've been over that The OP here is not about slavery.

It is about the different experiences we have had and how it is called racism by those like you.

Yes it did. Just get that lie out of your head asswipe, that whites died to make us free while we did nothing. The whites fighting in the civil war weren't even fighting to free slaves n the first place. That is not what they were told.

You were slaves. You did not have the opportunity to do very much. It is in the nature of slavery.


The northern whites elected a president knowing that he was a rabid anti-slavery guy, and that south would be very unhappy about that.


THey fought knowing that if not for the slavery issue, the fight would likely not be happening.


The end result was America as it was, but without slavery. And a much poorer south.

We were slaves but we fought slavery. And died doing so. We fought slavery from he beginning of it.

Your imaginary version of history just is not so.

Any long lasting system of slavery is all about dealing with the resistance of people who don't want to work for nothing.



That's more than "part of slavery", that's what slavery IS.


The failed resistance of a slave here or there, or a few that managed to run away is not what ended slavery.


It was these guys.

Too bad that's not so.

The Union army did not win the Civil War and end slavery in the United States?


Tell me some more about how educated you are! LOL!!!

The war was not fought to end slavery. We've been over that.

The OP is not about the civil war.