We should rid ourselves of redundant Federal Bureaucracies...and use the money more wisely.

[Votto]

Wrong.

How about we cut defense spending from 800-900 billion down to 200 billion and use that 600-700 billion to invest in our people?

Any department that is mirrored by a state level department is redundant and should be dismantled, starting with the Department of Education.

I'm sure once upon a time this agency was established with the best intentions...but now it's time to return these duties and responsibilities back to the States.

We should be using these wasted funds for something NOT redundant. Perhaps a federally funded Innocence Project that reviews the cases of convicted criminals to combat miscarriages of justice like this one...

https://people.com/sandra-hemme-woman-conviction-murder-overturned-judge-believes-cop-did-it-8664950

But money is not unlimited. We need to end redundancy and put part of the savings to better use.

Silly boy

Governments are like stars in the sky. The life span of a star is that they get bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and bigger, until the sheer weight of their being causes it to implode on itself due to its increased mass and forms a black hole that sucks in and destroys anything remotely close to it.

 

[IM2]

Could you do that and not sacrifice training, equipment, advancement in technology? In other words, we pay a price for having the best and most highly trained military with the best equipment. If we reduced our spending, would we be able to maintain that kind of standard?

Yes we could. We need to have the best educated, equiped and advanced citizenry relative to labor and job performance.

 

[IM2]

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Silly boy

Governments are like stars in the sky. The life span of a star is that they get bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and bigger, until the sheer weight of their being causes it to implode on itself due to the increase mass and forms a black hole that sucks in and destroys anything remotely close to it.

Wrong.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Easy....Send the two aircraft carriers currently under construction to the breakers, quit buying crappy weapons systems that none of the generals have asked for, and cut the MIC lobbying corps by about 99%.

Ok, but would dropping our military budget to 200bn as IM2 suggests, would that have a negative effect on our military preparedness, training, and capability ?

 

[candycorn]

Why? Why not just cut spending, reduce the money flowing from the states to the government?

There are plenty of federal priorities that need to be addressed. Schools are crumbling but, for some reason, school districts are still magically able to find money to send kids across the state to play meaningless football and softball games.

What is the purpose of the states sending money to the government, only to have the government turn around and give it back to the states? That’s an inefficient way of doing it.
Just let the states keep their money.

And as we've seen from many previous experiences, states spend money unevenly. Such as 3 hour wait times to vote in Atlanta.



Gee, whatdoyaknow....in a black neighborhood too. I'm sure its just a coincidence.

The space force is actually a good idea. First you have to get the image of Star Wars out of your mind and see that, having an organization to monitor and protect our interests in that frontier isn’t a bad thing.

There’s a lot going on up there…seems feasible to have a military branch dedicated to keeping our interests up there secure, isn’t it?

The Air Force space command was doing a fine job at that mission.

 

[Oddball]

Ok, but would dropping our military budget to 200bn as IM2 suggests, would that have a negative effect on our military preparedness, training, and capability ?

No.

The Pentagon is as fucked up and wasteful as HHS.....You could cut their budget in half, bring all the troops home and give them raises, and there'd be no degradation of preparedness.

 

[candycorn]

Ok, but would dropping our military budget to 200bn as IM2 suggests, would that have a negative effect on our military preparedness, training, and capability ?

Who are we preparing to fight that is spending as much as we have?

 

[Missourian]

There needs to be national standards for education. Fuck that states rights garbage. It didn't work and created Jim Crow, so it is not something we should try to start again.

The Office of Education has been around since 1867.

It didn't stop Jim Crow, the Supreme Court did.

And getting rid of the Department of Education wouldn't bring back Jim Crow. Black students are overwhelmingly failing to get a quality education today...under the department of education.

IOW, it ain't helping you.

Let it go. It's nothing but a hole into which we throw money.

My old man, son of a dirt farmer, got a better education in a one room schoolhouse and went on to get a PhD.

This is a sacred cow that needs to be slaughtered.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Yes we could. We need to have the best educated, equiped and advanced citizenry relative to labor and job performance.

That’s great, what does that do for our military? Realize that we only have the best military and firepower because we spend so much, if we cut our military budget to 200bn, we’d lose that adavantage. Also remember, our government overspends on…everything. So, that 800bn we spend….what does that get us compared to other countries that spend 200bn on their military?

 

[Oddball]

There are plenty of federal priorities that need to be addressed. Schools are crumbling but, for some reason, school districts are still magically able to find money to send kids across the state to play meaningless football and softball games.

As though this is evidence that more money and bureaucracy need to be thrown at them???....ROFLMFAO!!!

 

[ThisIsMe]

Who are we preparing to fight that is spending as much as we have?

Nobody..but that’s the point. Other countries are not going to take shots at another country that has a bigger gun.

If you take away that big gun and give them a little gun…someone might be more apt to take some pot shots.

 

[Crepitus]

Any department that is mirrored by a state level department is redundant and should be dismantled, starting with the Department of Education.

I'm sure once upon a time this agency was established with the best intentions...but now it's time to return these duties and responsibilities back to the States.

We should be using these wasted funds for something NOT redundant. Perhaps a federally funded Innocence Project that reviews the cases of convicted criminals to combat miscarriages of justice like this one...

https://people.com/sandra-hemme-woman-conviction-murder-overturned-judge-believes-cop-did-it-8664950

But money is not unlimited. We need to end redundancy and put part of the savings to better use.

 

[Missourian]

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I'll ask you the same question.

What does the federal department of education do that can't be handled by the state level department of education?

 

[Crepitus]

I'll ask you the same question.

What does the federal department of education do that can't be handled by the state level department of education?

keep the RWNJs from turning schools into religious indoctrination centers.

 

[Missourian]

Schools are crumbling but, for some reason, school districts are still magically able to find money to send kids across the state to play meaningless football and softball games.

While I tend to agree with you on this...these are the fouled up priorities of our society.

Entertainers, whether actors, singers or professional athletes are idolized and mathematicians, scientists, astronomers, economists, engineers and philosophers are relegated to the stereotype of socially awkward nerds and geeks.

 

[Missourian]

keep the RWNJs from turning schools into religious indoctrination centers.

Doesn't the Constitution do that?

Right now LWNJs are turning schools into homosexual lifestyle indoctrination centers...which is at a minimum no better than the alternative...so...no...sorry...still not valid reasoning to continue wasteful redundancy.

 

[candycorn]

While I tend to agree with you on this...these are the fouled up priorities of our society.

Entertainers, whether actors, singers or professional athletes are idolized and mathematicians, scientists, astronomers, economists, engineers and philosophers are relegated to the stereotype of socially awkward nerds and geeks.

You've seen the light (for the moment).

 

[candycorn]

Nobody..but that’s the point. Other countries are not going to take shots at another country that has a bigger gun.

If you take away that big gun and give them a little gun…someone might be more apt to take some pot shots.

Okay. Lets say you have a 50 gazillion mm howitzer in your garage. I have a slingshot. Its 2024.

Do you buy another 100 gazillion mm howitzer in 2025 because I've upgraded to a BB gun?

Thats what we're doing in defense.

Why?

Jobs. Pork. Nothing else.

 

[Samofvt]

You are far too polite, Missourian

 

[Missourian]

You've seen the light (for the moment).

Q: How do you change the priorities of a society?

A: Glacially slowly.