"We trusted you!" trump supporters on tax cuts

[JimH52]

trumpette....in all likelihood....

I don't even vote, fuckwit.

You ARE a sad person....

 

[Oddball]

You ARE a sad person....

Quite happy, thankyouverymuch....And I'm not the sad sack who's still butthurt about an election over two years ago, that didn't turn out the way he wanted.....Sorry little sap.

 

[JimH52]

You ARE a sad person....

Quite happy, thankyouverymuch....And I'm not the sad sack who's still butthurt about an election over two years ago, that didn't turn out the way he wanted.....Sorry little sap.

You are what is wrong with America. People like you helped elect Dumbo....

 

[Flopper]

i just want some options for financial aid for my kids. they can succeed if i can afford to put them through school

If you're writing about financial aid for college students, it's a pile of crap. I've helped my grand kids compete their FAFSA each year and have seen what happens financially as they go through college.

First off almost half of those who graduate with a 4 yr degree spend 6 years in college. Second, federal financial aid even for the most needy students still leaves the student with a college loan. And finally, most students find their degree does not get them a job in their field. Many then go for a post graduate degree just to be considered for a job and of course, federal aid is not available so students end up graduating with a large college loan to pay off. Instead of federal financial aid encouraging colleges to get student through in 4 years, it seems to do the opposite.

 

[Papageorgio]

'I trusted you!' Trump voters seethe after realizing they're getting screwed by the GOP's tax plan

I am hearing lots of complains from people as they begin to file their tax returns....the Repubs screw the middle class again...ENJOY!

I paid about $3000 less in taxes this year over last. Sorry to disappoint you. How much more did you pay?

 

[buckeye45_73]

As long as Relublicans have a say....people will "die in the streets."

America is a health-care outlier in the developed world

IOW, you moonbat freaks will continue lying.

BTW, bandwagon fallacy isn't an argument.

Yup....typical Repub....keep the poor down...screw the 99%....but shower the rich with breaks and favors.

So how are we keeping the poor down. And what model do you look at to keep the poor up?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Trust me I know they aren't. I saw many of these "right wingers" flee during the campaign, fuck those losers.
As for you, if you like capitalism and not killing kids, you wont go far on the left or the democrat party, because they hate capitalism and love killing kids (I mean the gov of VA actually said the baby would be born and THEN they would work with parents to decide the kids fate..........I mean how ghoulish do you have to be?)

The democrats are not against capitalism. This is part of what is being fed to you. They are against unregulated capitalism, which we are all for. Again, don't let them change the conversation. You and I have way more in common than you think.

I have no issue with finding common ground. but to make that statement means either one of us is full of shit or there is a miscommunication.

so when I say socialism, it means they want the government to take over private industry and have the government regulate our lives and business

Why do I say the democrats are socialist? they want single payer....that is as socialist as it gets
Also they want the government to regulate everything on earth due to climate change....again abolishing fossil fuels, painting cars black, forcing us to use certain lightbulbs, ect is all socialism. If they were for caplitalism.....they would make their alternatives more attractive and convince us to use them.....but they use the govt to force us to use things we don't want (electric cars, non fossil fuel energy, ect)

I am 100% against socialism as you've defined it above. Most people in this country are. I am for elements of shared responsibility where it makes sense. Ie. I think a fire and police department should be a shared cost by all of us. If my house doesn't burn down, I am not going to complain that I had to pay in towards the fire department but didn't get to see any benefit from that cost. That's the sort of "socialism" I can support.

How that extends to other areas of our lives, ie. healthcare, the environment, light bulbs and the color of our cars...etc....well that's where we need to have the conversation about what makes sense.

But we need to have that conversation and ignore what they tell us about what they want me to believe you stand for and what they want you to believe that I stand for.

Supporting police is not socialist.....the police are an important and actual job of government(the government does way too many things it shouldn't, but police and fire are legit gov abilities).

So to have the conversation....look at healthcare
I don't want the govt anywhere near it.
I think they should have simple and few regulations (say keeping hospitals clean, I'm on board with that one)
But outside of that, they should let people make their own decisions with regards to coverage and insurance.
One thing I like is that Trump wants to remove the restrictions on state boundaries......it's complicated, but in general, states choose which providers they will have and that choice is sometimes mandated by law and they are allowed to limit providers(they should not be allowed to do that)

Police and fire are "socialist" from a shared cost perspective. I am ok with sharing those costs for those services.

In regards to healthcare. I don't want government run healthcare. My ideal is a mixture of private insurance for those who want it and some sort of basic government coverage for those who truly can't afford it.

I agree with you that I want people to make their own healthcare decisions. The problem we have now is multi-faceted and both government and private industry are to blame. I wish we could move to a model where people pay their doctors directly and we didn't have to have layers of bullshit in between that only jack up the price. Healthcare is a complex issue but Obamacare is certainly not the answer and neither is letting people show up at the ER without some sort of coverage. The cost for those people doing that gets passed down to us eventually and the ER is as expensive as you can get. That isn't efficient at all.

the problem with Police and fire....is that is not socialism. those are actual functions of a govt. the gov is to organize an area (states, cities, national borders) as well as protect (military, police, fire).......Other than maybe currency.....the rest is NOT the role of gov.
I really think lefties don't understand or want to understand us righties position... We don't want zero government, we just want it to stick to the basics......not get into areas it's not supposed to.

It's not to make sure everyone has a house or a Nintendo, or a car.......that's on the person....not the govt.

Now....on healthcare, I do like some of you ideas....
First I hate lawyers and we do need to do something. I still think loser pays is the best.....because if you do get wronged....you can hire a bigtime lawyer because he thinks he'll get his money (because the loser has to pay his fees)
Second on paying doctors directly....I LOOOOOOOOVE that proposal. Because insurance drives up cost, because the patient doesn't care about it......with this, they would and cost would go down. Lets face it, you cant charge someone a ridiculous rate, because they cant pay it........no insurance to go to....absolutely on board with this approach.

This we should maybe start a thread and toss some ideas around.

 

[RDD_1210]

The democrats are not against capitalism. This is part of what is being fed to you. They are against unregulated capitalism, which we are all for. Again, don't let them change the conversation. You and I have way more in common than you think.

I have no issue with finding common ground. but to make that statement means either one of us is full of shit or there is a miscommunication.

so when I say socialism, it means they want the government to take over private industry and have the government regulate our lives and business

Why do I say the democrats are socialist? they want single payer....that is as socialist as it gets
Also they want the government to regulate everything on earth due to climate change....again abolishing fossil fuels, painting cars black, forcing us to use certain lightbulbs, ect is all socialism. If they were for caplitalism.....they would make their alternatives more attractive and convince us to use them.....but they use the govt to force us to use things we don't want (electric cars, non fossil fuel energy, ect)

I am 100% against socialism as you've defined it above. Most people in this country are. I am for elements of shared responsibility where it makes sense. Ie. I think a fire and police department should be a shared cost by all of us. If my house doesn't burn down, I am not going to complain that I had to pay in towards the fire department but didn't get to see any benefit from that cost. That's the sort of "socialism" I can support.

How that extends to other areas of our lives, ie. healthcare, the environment, light bulbs and the color of our cars...etc....well that's where we need to have the conversation about what makes sense.

But we need to have that conversation and ignore what they tell us about what they want me to believe you stand for and what they want you to believe that I stand for.

Supporting police is not socialist.....the police are an important and actual job of government(the government does way too many things it shouldn't, but police and fire are legit gov abilities).

So to have the conversation....look at healthcare
I don't want the govt anywhere near it.
I think they should have simple and few regulations (say keeping hospitals clean, I'm on board with that one)
But outside of that, they should let people make their own decisions with regards to coverage and insurance.
One thing I like is that Trump wants to remove the restrictions on state boundaries......it's complicated, but in general, states choose which providers they will have and that choice is sometimes mandated by law and they are allowed to limit providers(they should not be allowed to do that)

Police and fire are "socialist" from a shared cost perspective. I am ok with sharing those costs for those services.

In regards to healthcare. I don't want government run healthcare. My ideal is a mixture of private insurance for those who want it and some sort of basic government coverage for those who truly can't afford it.

I agree with you that I want people to make their own healthcare decisions. The problem we have now is multi-faceted and both government and private industry are to blame. I wish we could move to a model where people pay their doctors directly and we didn't have to have layers of bullshit in between that only jack up the price. Healthcare is a complex issue but Obamacare is certainly not the answer and neither is letting people show up at the ER without some sort of coverage. The cost for those people doing that gets passed down to us eventually and the ER is as expensive as you can get. That isn't efficient at all.

the problem with Police and fire....is that is not socialism. those are actual functions of a govt. the gov is to organize an area (states, cities, national borders) as well as protect (military, police, fire).......Other than maybe currency.....the rest is NOT the role of gov.
I really think lefties don't understand or want to understand us righties position... We don't want zero government, we just want it to stick to the basics......not get into areas it's not supposed to.

It's not to make sure everyone has a house or a Nintendo, or a car.......that's on the person....not the govt.

Now....on healthcare, I do like some of you ideas....
First I hate lawyers and we do need to do something. I still think loser pays is the best.....because if you do get wronged....you can hire a bigtime lawyer because he thinks he'll get his money (because the loser has to pay his fees)
Second on paying doctors directly....I LOOOOOOOOVE that proposal. Because insurance drives up cost, because the patient doesn't care about it......with this, they would and cost would go down. Lets face it, you cant charge someone a ridiculous rate, because they cant pay it........no insurance to go to....absolutely on board with this approach.

This we should maybe start a thread and toss some ideas around.

See, we aren't so different or far apart when we really talk to each other. And conservatives like you don't want zero government, just like liberals like me don't want government running everything. There is a common sense middle that I think most of us can find common ground but it's hard to do when we don't open our eyes to who is trying to control the narrative...and that's not us.

 

[JimH52]

'I trusted you!' Trump voters seethe after realizing they're getting screwed by the GOP's tax plan

I am hearing lots of complains from people as they begin to file their tax returns....the Repubs screw the middle class again...ENJOY!

I paid about $3000 less in taxes this year over last. Sorry to disappoint you. How much more did you pay?

So you were not a victim of the deductions that trump stole....good for you.

 

[Papageorgio]

'I trusted you!' Trump voters seethe after realizing they're getting screwed by the GOP's tax plan

I am hearing lots of complains from people as they begin to file their tax returns....the Repubs screw the middle class again...ENJOY!

I paid about $3000 less in taxes this year over last. Sorry to disappoint you. How much more did you pay?

So you were not a victim of the deductions that trump stole....good for you.

So, how much more did you pay?

 

[buckeye45_73]

I have no issue with finding common ground. but to make that statement means either one of us is full of shit or there is a miscommunication.

so when I say socialism, it means they want the government to take over private industry and have the government regulate our lives and business

Why do I say the democrats are socialist? they want single payer....that is as socialist as it gets
Also they want the government to regulate everything on earth due to climate change....again abolishing fossil fuels, painting cars black, forcing us to use certain lightbulbs, ect is all socialism. If they were for caplitalism.....they would make their alternatives more attractive and convince us to use them.....but they use the govt to force us to use things we don't want (electric cars, non fossil fuel energy, ect)

I am 100% against socialism as you've defined it above. Most people in this country are. I am for elements of shared responsibility where it makes sense. Ie. I think a fire and police department should be a shared cost by all of us. If my house doesn't burn down, I am not going to complain that I had to pay in towards the fire department but didn't get to see any benefit from that cost. That's the sort of "socialism" I can support.

How that extends to other areas of our lives, ie. healthcare, the environment, light bulbs and the color of our cars...etc....well that's where we need to have the conversation about what makes sense.

But we need to have that conversation and ignore what they tell us about what they want me to believe you stand for and what they want you to believe that I stand for.

Supporting police is not socialist.....the police are an important and actual job of government(the government does way too many things it shouldn't, but police and fire are legit gov abilities).

So to have the conversation....look at healthcare
I don't want the govt anywhere near it.
I think they should have simple and few regulations (say keeping hospitals clean, I'm on board with that one)
But outside of that, they should let people make their own decisions with regards to coverage and insurance.
One thing I like is that Trump wants to remove the restrictions on state boundaries......it's complicated, but in general, states choose which providers they will have and that choice is sometimes mandated by law and they are allowed to limit providers(they should not be allowed to do that)

Police and fire are "socialist" from a shared cost perspective. I am ok with sharing those costs for those services.

In regards to healthcare. I don't want government run healthcare. My ideal is a mixture of private insurance for those who want it and some sort of basic government coverage for those who truly can't afford it.

I agree with you that I want people to make their own healthcare decisions. The problem we have now is multi-faceted and both government and private industry are to blame. I wish we could move to a model where people pay their doctors directly and we didn't have to have layers of bullshit in between that only jack up the price. Healthcare is a complex issue but Obamacare is certainly not the answer and neither is letting people show up at the ER without some sort of coverage. The cost for those people doing that gets passed down to us eventually and the ER is as expensive as you can get. That isn't efficient at all.

the problem with Police and fire....is that is not socialism. those are actual functions of a govt. the gov is to organize an area (states, cities, national borders) as well as protect (military, police, fire).......Other than maybe currency.....the rest is NOT the role of gov.
I really think lefties don't understand or want to understand us righties position... We don't want zero government, we just want it to stick to the basics......not get into areas it's not supposed to.

It's not to make sure everyone has a house or a Nintendo, or a car.......that's on the person....not the govt.

Now....on healthcare, I do like some of you ideas....
First I hate lawyers and we do need to do something. I still think loser pays is the best.....because if you do get wronged....you can hire a bigtime lawyer because he thinks he'll get his money (because the loser has to pay his fees)
Second on paying doctors directly....I LOOOOOOOOVE that proposal. Because insurance drives up cost, because the patient doesn't care about it......with this, they would and cost would go down. Lets face it, you cant charge someone a ridiculous rate, because they cant pay it........no insurance to go to....absolutely on board with this approach.

This we should maybe start a thread and toss some ideas around.

See, we aren't so different or far apart when we really talk to each other. And conservatives like you don't want zero government, just like liberals like me don't want government running everything. There is a common sense middle that I think most of us can find common ground but it's hard to do when we don't open our eyes to who is trying to control the narrative...and that's not us.

No I do agree, and Trump is the one that really opened it for me. Once I saw the republican elite hated him...that's when I embraced him. so now I look at it not as left vs right so much (I'm very much a right winger still), but elites vs normals....and the elites (DC, Academia, Hollywood, the media) must be taken down.......awful people.....


Rich republicans are cool, they are honest and I understand them. I don't get rich democrats....seems like lots of self loathing and virtue signaling, and hypocrisy. If you don't like rich people, give your money away.....I don't expect that from republicans, because they don't make up the same bullshit democrats and lefties do

 

[Lesh]

So who are people going to believe?

Their own lying eyes (when they see their tax bill) or some Trumper clown on the internet?

 

[Siete]

So who are people going to believe?

Their own lying eyes (when they see their tax bill) or some Trumper clown on the internet?

Middle Class Dads Freak Out About Trump Tax Hike

 

[deanrd]

So who are people going to believe?

Their own lying eyes (when they see their tax bill) or some Trumper clown on the internet?

Middle Class Dads Freak Out About Trump Tax Hike

. However, with the new tax system now in place, Americans are discovering that most of the tax relief from the bill is actually being experienced by corporations.

Meanwhile, many people are seeing an increase in taxes due to the bill eliminating many of the deductions that were used by middle-class families in order to lower the amount of taxes they were required to pay. Most notably, the tax reform placed a cap on deductions for taxes on both state and local levels.

......
I like the part where they said that Democrats are not making fun of Republicans instead they’re feeling sympathy for what Donald Trump did to them.

 

[deanrd]

So who are people going to believe?

Their own lying eyes (when they see their tax bill) or some Trumper clown on the internet?

Trumper clowns will believe Trump obviously.

 

[deanrd]

i just want some options for financial aid for my kids. they can succeed if i can afford to put them through school

If you're writing about financial aid for college students, it's a pile of crap. I've helped my grand kids compete their FAFSA each year and have seen what happens financially as they go through college.

First off almost half of those who graduate with a 4 yr degree spend 6 years in college. Second, federal financial aid even for the most needy students still leaves the student with a college loan. And finally, most students find their degree does not get them a job in their field. Many then go for a post graduate degree just to be considered for a job and of course, federal aid is not available so students end up graduating with a large college loan to pay off. Instead of federal financial aid encouraging colleges to get student through in 4 years, it seems to do the opposite.

I studied engineering and was able to retire a few years ago at 63.
But even then, I had the G.I. Bill, money from work and I was working full-time and still when I finished school I owed $56,000.

We have to do better than that as a country.

 

[Lesh]

I am 100% against socialism as you've defined it above. Most people in this country are. I am for elements of shared responsibility where it makes sense. Ie. I think a fire and police department should be a shared cost by all of us. If my house doesn't burn down, I am not going to complain that I had to pay in towards the fire department but didn't get to see any benefit from that cost. That's the sort of "socialism" I can support.

How that extends to other areas of our lives, ie. healthcare, the environment, light bulbs and the color of our cars...etc....well that's where we need to have the conversation about what makes sense.

But we need to have that conversation and ignore what they tell us about what they want me to believe you stand for and what they want you to believe that I stand for.

Supporting police is not socialist.....the police are an important and actual job of government(the government does way too many things it shouldn't, but police and fire are legit gov abilities).

So to have the conversation....look at healthcare
I don't want the govt anywhere near it.
I think they should have simple and few regulations (say keeping hospitals clean, I'm on board with that one)
But outside of that, they should let people make their own decisions with regards to coverage and insurance.
One thing I like is that Trump wants to remove the restrictions on state boundaries......it's complicated, but in general, states choose which providers they will have and that choice is sometimes mandated by law and they are allowed to limit providers(they should not be allowed to do that)

Police and fire are "socialist" from a shared cost perspective. I am ok with sharing those costs for those services.

In regards to healthcare. I don't want government run healthcare. My ideal is a mixture of private insurance for those who want it and some sort of basic government coverage for those who truly can't afford it.

I agree with you that I want people to make their own healthcare decisions. The problem we have now is multi-faceted and both government and private industry are to blame. I wish we could move to a model where people pay their doctors directly and we didn't have to have layers of bullshit in between that only jack up the price. Healthcare is a complex issue but Obamacare is certainly not the answer and neither is letting people show up at the ER without some sort of coverage. The cost for those people doing that gets passed down to us eventually and the ER is as expensive as you can get. That isn't efficient at all.

the problem with Police and fire....is that is not socialism. those are actual functions of a govt. the gov is to organize an area (states, cities, national borders) as well as protect (military, police, fire).......Other than maybe currency.....the rest is NOT the role of gov.
I really think lefties don't understand or want to understand us righties position... We don't want zero government, we just want it to stick to the basics......not get into areas it's not supposed to.

It's not to make sure everyone has a house or a Nintendo, or a car.......that's on the person....not the govt.

Now....on healthcare, I do like some of you ideas....
First I hate lawyers and we do need to do something. I still think loser pays is the best.....because if you do get wronged....you can hire a bigtime lawyer because he thinks he'll get his money (because the loser has to pay his fees)
Second on paying doctors directly....I LOOOOOOOOVE that proposal. Because insurance drives up cost, because the patient doesn't care about it......with this, they would and cost would go down. Lets face it, you cant charge someone a ridiculous rate, because they cant pay it........no insurance to go to....absolutely on board with this approach.

This we should maybe start a thread and toss some ideas around.

See, we aren't so different or far apart when we really talk to each other. And conservatives like you don't want zero government, just like liberals like me don't want government running everything. There is a common sense middle that I think most of us can find common ground but it's hard to do when we don't open our eyes to who is trying to control the narrative...and that's not us.

No I do agree, and Trump is the one that really opened it for me. Once I saw the republican elite hated him...that's when I embraced him. so now I look at it not as left vs right so much (I'm very much a right winger still), but elites vs normals....and the elites (DC, Academia, Hollywood, the media) must be taken down.......awful people.....


Rich republicans are cool, they are honest and I understand them. I don't get rich democrats....seems like lots of self loathing and virtue signaling, and hypocrisy. If you don't like rich people, give your money away.....I don't expect that from republicans, because they don't make up the same bullshit democrats and lefties do

I can almost guarantee that the loss of property tax and state income tax deduction in Ohio will wipe out any tax benefit you might have gotten. It may even add to your tax bill...

In states like NY.NJ. California and others...it would add substantially

 

[edward37]

Supporting police is not socialist.....the police are an important and actual job of government(the government does way too many things it shouldn't, but police and fire are legit gov abilities).

So to have the conversation....look at healthcare
I don't want the govt anywhere near it.
I think they should have simple and few regulations (say keeping hospitals clean, I'm on board with that one)
But outside of that, they should let people make their own decisions with regards to coverage and insurance.
One thing I like is that Trump wants to remove the restrictions on state boundaries......it's complicated, but in general, states choose which providers they will have and that choice is sometimes mandated by law and they are allowed to limit providers(they should not be allowed to do that)

Police and fire are "socialist" from a shared cost perspective. I am ok with sharing those costs for those services.

In regards to healthcare. I don't want government run healthcare. My ideal is a mixture of private insurance for those who want it and some sort of basic government coverage for those who truly can't afford it.

I agree with you that I want people to make their own healthcare decisions. The problem we have now is multi-faceted and both government and private industry are to blame. I wish we could move to a model where people pay their doctors directly and we didn't have to have layers of bullshit in between that only jack up the price. Healthcare is a complex issue but Obamacare is certainly not the answer and neither is letting people show up at the ER without some sort of coverage. The cost for those people doing that gets passed down to us eventually and the ER is as expensive as you can get. That isn't efficient at all.

the problem with Police and fire....is that is not socialism. those are actual functions of a govt. the gov is to organize an area (states, cities, national borders) as well as protect (military, police, fire).......Other than maybe currency.....the rest is NOT the role of gov.
I really think lefties don't understand or want to understand us righties position... We don't want zero government, we just want it to stick to the basics......not get into areas it's not supposed to.

It's not to make sure everyone has a house or a Nintendo, or a car.......that's on the person....not the govt.

Now....on healthcare, I do like some of you ideas....
First I hate lawyers and we do need to do something. I still think loser pays is the best.....because if you do get wronged....you can hire a bigtime lawyer because he thinks he'll get his money (because the loser has to pay his fees)
Second on paying doctors directly....I LOOOOOOOOVE that proposal. Because insurance drives up cost, because the patient doesn't care about it......with this, they would and cost would go down. Lets face it, you cant charge someone a ridiculous rate, because they cant pay it........no insurance to go to....absolutely on board with this approach.

This we should maybe start a thread and toss some ideas around.

See, we aren't so different or far apart when we really talk to each other. And conservatives like you don't want zero government, just like liberals like me don't want government running everything. There is a common sense middle that I think most of us can find common ground but it's hard to do when we don't open our eyes to who is trying to control the narrative...and that's not us.

No I do agree, and Trump is the one that really opened it for me. Once I saw the republican elite hated him...that's when I embraced him. so now I look at it not as left vs right so much (I'm very much a right winger still), but elites vs normals....and the elites (DC, Academia, Hollywood, the media) must be taken down.......awful people.....


Rich republicans are cool, they are honest and I understand them. I don't get rich democrats....seems like lots of self loathing and virtue signaling, and hypocrisy. If you don't like rich people, give your money away.....I don't expect that from republicans, because they don't make up the same bullshit democrats and lefties do

I can almost guarantee that the loss of property tax and state income tax deduction in Ohio will wipe out any tax benefit you might have gotten. It may even add to your tax bill...

In states like NY.NJ. California and others...it would add substantially

I'm a New Yorker and may trump die in extreme pain.....broke

 

[Flopper]

i just want some options for financial aid for my kids. they can succeed if i can afford to put them through school

If you're writing about financial aid for college students, it's a pile of crap. I've helped my grand kids compete their FAFSA each year and have seen what happens financially as they go through college.

First off almost half of those who graduate with a 4 yr degree spend 6 years in college. Second, federal financial aid even for the most needy students still leaves the student with a college loan. And finally, most students find their degree does not get them a job in their field. Many then go for a post graduate degree just to be considered for a job and of course, federal aid is not available so students end up graduating with a large college loan to pay off. Instead of federal financial aid encouraging colleges to get student through in 4 years, it seems to do the opposite.

I studied engineering and was able to retire a few years ago at 63.
But even then, I had the G.I. Bill, money from work and I was working full-time and still when I finished school I owed $56,000.

We have to do better than that as a country.

One thing that we should be doing now is helping students seeking a 4 year degree to graduate in 4 years. It's absolutely unacceptable to have nearly half these students going for 6 years.

 

[WelfareQueen]

We need a forum dedicated to FAKE NEWS.
Would be interesting to see which side has more threads end up there.

There ya go...stirring the pot again.