Zone1 Were all Israelites Jews?

How are Rabbis any different? Both derive authority from their knowledge of scripture.
Big difference. Protestants don't have rules for every aspect and facet of daily life that they must adhere to.

Jew's salvation is through obedience to the Law, and whatever the Rabbi instructs.

Protestants are to work out their own salvation, applying their knowledge of God's will in their own lives as they understand it.
 
I don't as long as they don't use it on one of my ovens. My Jewish tenant's Rabbi told him that was the only way to prepare an oven that had been used by gentiles for use by a Jewish tenant.

I installed a new oven for him. ;) Neither the Rabbi nor the tenant considered that the tenant should obtain a new oven for themselves. Whyzat I wonder.
Maybe because there are other ways besides a blowtorach, or it is possible to get an expert to use a blow torch. Why do you think you understand Judaism better than Jews? I just moved into a new apartment that had an oven in it. Somehow I'm using it even though i don't have access to a blowtorch. Maybe people know more than you.
 
Big difference. Protestants don't have rules for every aspect and facet of daily life that they must adhere to.
Just the 10 Commandments? Of course there are lots of different flavors of Protestants and most devout ones go to church weekly and listen to a sermon. Why do they do that?

Jew's salvation is through obedience to the Law, and whatever the Rabbi instructs.
Rabbis have no authority beyond their knowledge. The laws are available for all to see and follow or not. Jesus said the law was a good thing.

Protestants are to work out their own salvation, applying their knowledge of God's will in their own lives as they understand it.
And where do they find God's will?
 
Maybe because there are other ways besides a blowtorach, or it is possible to get an expert to use a blow torch. Why do you think you understand Judaism better than Jews? I just moved into a new apartment that had an oven in it. Somehow I'm using it even though i don't have access to a blowtorch. Maybe people know more than you.
I'm citing a real-life example from personal experience. I read, from a Jewish website, that an oven can be 'koshered' by placing the grates inside the oven and turning it to its highest setting for two hours. This is reasonable, imo. However, that this Rabbi suggested the blowtorch treatment supports my contention that Rabbis often 'make it up as they go along'.
 
Just the 10 Commandments? Of course there are lots of different flavors of Protestants and most devout ones go to church weekly and listen to a sermon. Why do they do that?


Rabbis have no authority beyond their knowledge. The laws are available for all to see and follow or not. Jesus said the law was a good thing.


And where do they find God's will?
Christians are well beyond the written commandments. We are guided by the Holy Spirit.
 
I'm citing a real-life example from personal experience. I read, from a Jewish website, that an oven can be 'koshered' by placing the grates inside the oven and turning it to its highest setting for two hours. This is reasonable, imo. However, that this Rabbi suggested the blowtorch treatment supports my contention that Rabbis often 'make it up as they go along'.
Your contention is wrong. There are different understandings of the law and in each case, a rabbi has to make a series of judgments and decisions based on variables of which you are not aware, steeped in laws which you have never read. If it makes you feel better to assume that they are making things up, because it avoids the question of your ignorance, then have fun with that.
 
Your contention is wrong. There are different understandings of the law and in each case, a rabbi has to make a series of judgments and decisions based on variables of which you are not aware, steeped in laws which you have never read. If it makes you feel better to assume that they are making things up, because it avoids the question of your ignorance, then have fun with that.
Well, in this case he made a poor judgement, as the oven in question had never been used (I didn't realize this myself right away until I examined it later after I had exchanged it for a new one). So, the Rabbi looked into a brand-new oven and declared that only the use of blowtorch would render it fit to use.
 
Well, in this case he made a poor judgement, as the oven in question had never been used (I didn't realize this myself right away until I examined it later after I had exchanged it for a new one). So, the Rabbi looked into a brand-new oven and declared that only the use of blowtorch would render it fit to use.
Your decision about his judgment doesn't really hold any water as it applies to Jewish law.
 
Well, in this case he made a poor judgement, as the oven in question had never been used (I didn't realize this myself right away until I examined it later after I had exchanged it for a new one). So, the Rabbi looked into a brand-new oven and declared that only the use of blowtorch would render it fit to use.

But we're all told to believe Jews are an especially intelligent super species or something like that. The fact is taking tests and having higher levels of education don't translate into higher intelligence and reasoning abilities. That is one reason 'Credentialism' is a black hole when it comes to determining competence. I'm sure he is a nice man, but having a title is no indication of knowing what he's talking about. That is why Christianity was so popular when Jesus and others came along; they did away with most of the idiot rules, racial purity rubbish, etc. and focused on the important theology and logic, and grew like gangbusters, dwarfing the other Jewish sects. Many Christian pastors know more about real Judaism than most Rabbis do.
 
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But we're all told to believe Jews are an especially intelligent super species or something like that. The fact is taking tests and having higher levels of education don't translate into higher intelligence and reasoning abilities. That is one reason 'Credentialism' is a black hole when it comes to determining competence.
So you wouldn't trust a lawyer when it comes to issues of understanding the law or a doctor when discussing medicine. Got it.
 
So you wouldn't trust a lawyer when it comes to issues of understanding the law or a doctor when discussing medicine. Got it.

Only idiots trust lawyers, and doctors these days misdiagnose all the time; they're both more interested in fleecing insurance companies and customers than actually doing what they're supposed to do. So, yes, I do indeed 'get it'.
 
So you wouldn't trust a lawyer when it comes to issues of understanding the law or a doctor when discussing medicine. Got it.
I wouldn't trust a doctor when the subject is health. There's no money in healthy people.

I was treated for Lyme disease, but still had symptoms long after I tested negative for the disease. My doctor sent me to an "infectious disease specialist", who was actually a psychiatrist, who tried to convince me that my lingering symptoms were all in my head. I had to figure out why this was happening myself, which I eventually did...with no medical training.

My divorce lawyer was an idiot (actually my wife's lawyer). His face turned pale when I immediately signed the outrageous proposal he drafted, which would have left me destitute. He thought I was going to negotiate the terms so they weren't so one-sided. As the financial terms were impossible for me to fulfill, my wife (ex) would have to take me to court if I failed to pay up. Instead of court, we wound up in arbitration several times over it, and in each case I won. Surprised me as the arbitrator was a woman.


This said, our divorce was prosecuted under the old rules in which one of the parties had to be found 'guilty' of something. At the time "no fault" divorce laws had been passed in my state but not yet enacted. My wife's family insisted that she divorce me while the old rules were still in force, which would be more advantageous to her. So, the lawyer was caught between two rules, and did the best he could.
 
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Your contention is wrong. There are different understandings of the law and in each case, a rabbi has to make a series of judgments and decisions based on variables of which you are not aware, steeped in laws which you have never read. If it makes you feel better to assume that they are making things up, because it avoids the question of your ignorance, then have fun with that.
What was this Rabbi's understanding that led him to require a blowtorch to purify a stove that was obviously new?
 
I guess that's why Christians never sin? Maybe you all need a refresher class.
Of course we sin and will until we die. But most sin is of omission, not commission. The commandments deal with commission. The Spirit deals with omission.

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
 
Of course we sin and will until we die. But most sin is of omission, not commission. The commandments deal with commission. The Spirit deals with omission.

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
So everyone can judge themselves by their own standards. Great system. If I honestly believe my religion is the only correct way, anything I do for it is not a sin. Cool.
 

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