WH responds to Cheney

[obama2ndterm]

Asshole is the perfect way to describe this coward. Will go down as worst ever.Dick and Lynn deserve each other.While he whines about the President. turns out it was Cheney who got the terrorists released to art therapy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Lynne Ann nee Vincent is such a shrill whiner. She was has been ever since junior high school. What a loser elitist.

 

[namvet]

A president comes into office facing a $500 billion deficit and grows it to $2 trillion [and still going up].

A president comes into office facing a threat of radical Islamic terrorism, and at home changes the very name of the struggle from war on terror to a variety of wishy-washy euphemisms.

A president comes into office facing a variety of Middle East thugs, from al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas to Syria and Iran, and employs the ancient kowtow, the postmodern apology, and the Carteresque reach-out to allay the threat?

A president comes into office after record high energy prices have nearly crippled the American economy, and he ignores new drilling and brushes off nuclear power * only to wax about wind and solar that provide less than 5% of our energy needs, and crushing cap and trade taxation to come.

The Wrong Narrative

I think candidate Obama had the wrong narrative. Many presidents do. Bush railed against nation-building and decided he would do just that. Reagan raised not lowered deficits. Clinton ended up being a moderate after 1995. But rarely has a candidate’s entire world view been so abruptly refuted in the first year of a presidency.

As president, Obama suddenly found himself a stranger in a strange land, far from that of the Ivy League dean, the upscale liberal suburbanite, the radical chic, hip world of Chicago yuppies, and the brooding, shrill pulpit of Rev. Wright. The result is that his fantasies are out of place in the all too real world of the White House.

When he started his campaign in 2007 the U.S. economy was still strong, and he felt his redistributive agenda would merely need to skim off a few trillions from the wannabe rich.

There was plenty of money socked away; we could “share the wealth” and “they” could “pay their fair share” in “patriotic” fashion to ensure “redistributive change.” But when the recession hit, the money dried up, and there was no “they” any longer. No matter, Obama is stuck with his preconceived notion of gorging the beast, and so we will rack up $8 trillion more in aggregate debt and redefine the English language, as trillion becomes billion, and billion a mere million.

War*what war?

It was so simple in late 2007. The surge was “not working.” Few were dying in Afghanistan, now dubbed the good war where there were lots of Europeans. Al-Qaeda was quiet and its dozens of plots all foiled.

Presto * the real narrative was how the Bush-Cheney nexus destroyed our liberties. Only a Chicago law lecturer could understand the complexity: the Patriot Act, renditions, tribunals, wiretaps, intercepts, Guantanamo, Predators, all that had shredded the Constitution. Such a compelling thesis * as long as one could blame the prior administration for keeping us safe.

Can’t We All Just Get Along?

Barack Obama would drop this mythical war on terror, and instead conduct legal seminars at press conference to remind us how the “prior administration” had scared us to death to destroy our liberties.

Then the real war returned in Afghanistan. Iraq quieted down. And there really are thousands of radical Muslims like Major Hasan and Abdulmutallab who want to kill us.

So the narrative imploded. Even the most fawning Obama aficionado does not wish to get blown-up at 30,000 feet, because a political hack appointee wanted to broadcast politically-correct credentials.

Now a reluctant Obama has to face the reality that all his chest-thumping about his middle name, his unique background, and his liberal sensitivity means less than nothing to a killer such as Dr. Zawahiri.

In 2007 candidate Obama had some interesting theories about the world abroad * not unlike those voiced in the 1920s by the well-intentioned who formed the League of Nations to end all wars. A Gilbert Murray or H.G. Wells or Alfred Zimmern all had interesting things to say, as did Smuts and House * all interesting and all dead wrong once an Austrian-born corporal fancied himself the architect of a new Reich.

The “reset button” foreign policy postulated that twangy, “smok’ em out” Bush had caused all the bad feelings. As an antidote, a postracial, postnational charmer could assure the world that we were on its side. We are back to 1930 in a blink of an eye.

Remember, in this reset narrative, there are no such bothersome things as irreconcilable differences, antithetical agendas, or reductionism such as thugs like Ahmadinejad, Assad, Chavez, or Putin, who always interpret magnanimity as weakness in their nonstop quest for more influence and power at the expense of the perceived weaker party.

So here we are after all the apologies, all the bowing, all the trashing of Bush, all the Cairo speeches and al Arabiya interviews: Putin brags about a new generation of nuclear weapons, bullying his neighbors and doing nothing to stop Iran; Iran kills its dissidents while we sleep and promises a bomb to come. Chavez wants one too, and Syria does it best to destroy Lebanese autonomy. And that is just the beginning.

It was not supposed to happen that way. (All those adoring crowds in the streets of London, Cairo, and Nairobi were supposed to translate into their leaders’ infatuation with Obama.)

Tilting at Windmills

Those in the faculty lounge, in the community-organizing hall, or media green room often wax on about how “they” are doing nothing to make us energy independent. In this fantasyland of a con artist like Van Jones, millions of windmills and solar panels will free us from energy costs and cool the planet.

In such mythologizing, and without any knowledge of the grubby world of oil rigs and dirty pipeline laying, we could have all the clean power we wished if only an Exxon just weren’t so greedy. So the narrative emerged that we need not drill for more oil here in the US. New natural gas fields still meant bad carbon fuels. Coal, burned daily, was still politically-taboo. Nuclear plants were always referenced in terms of Chernobyl and Three-Mile-Island.

The result, however, in the real world was that low energy prices are a result of a global downturn in the economy, not Obama’s dreams of ugly windmills on every mountain ridge. In short, very soon a President Obama is going to have to explain what exactly he did to transition us to new sources of power during this reprieve, as we begin to pay for $5 a gallon of gas.

I could go on. But most of you readers remember young Barack Obama in late 2007 hitting the stump against Hillary, proclaiming to the world how his hope and change bromides would stop the Bush-Cheney nexus from destroying the planet.

Those were heady times when Guantanamo was still a gulag with its hundreds of Solzhenitsyns, not psychopaths like Khalid Sheikh Mohammeds, when we could just leave Iraq by “March 2008”, and when there would be no lobbyists, no tax cheats, no insider buy-offs and horse-trading for votes. In such a dreamy world, geniuses like Timothy Geithner don’t pocket their FICA allowances, and Tom Daschles don’t fudge on their complimentary limo services.

And then tragically Obama got elected and discovered that the real world had no relationship whatsoever to his fantasy impressions of it. In a cosmos of radical Islam, Chinese bankers, Japanese exporters, and Arab oil producers, there were no more law school profs, Rev. Wrights, or Chris Matthews and Newsweek editors to wink and nod and reassure Obama that his mellifluous but empty rhetoric allusions were at all reality-based.

So here we are. A president of the United States does not want to rush to the microphones and swear he will hunt down the Abdulmutallabs of the world and their sponsors, or that there will be no more Major Hasans (so much easier to rush to call the Cambridge police “stupidly” acting, while employing “allegedly” for the bomb-making of Abdulmutallab).

He does not wish to sound like a can-do guy who reassures us that we will tap all the American energy we can to ensure that we don’t go bankrupt before the new generation of power arrives. Obama does not wish to sound like some retrograde SOB who warns Ahmadinejad there really will be things he won’t like if he insists on going nuclear. Our commander in chief does not wish to snarl at the American people to announce that the party is over and all those trillions really do have to be paid back.

No, all that was someone else’s fault, others’ reality * and certainly not what Obama signed on for.

So if he seems bewildered, angry sometimes, and more at home in warm, lush Hawaii, you would be too * once you discovered that your easy fantasies and winged rhetoric of the last thirty years have no relation with the here and now.

All the soaring cadences in the world, all the self-referencing, and all the whining and blame-gaming sadly cannot put the shattered Humpty-dumpty view of a once comfortable world back together again.

this to long for you ADD libtards ta read???? tuff shit. you made this shit sandwich NOW EAT IT !!!!!

 

[obama2ndterm]

Why do Republicans pretend to be somehow responsible against terrorism?A little tip' it was Bush and Cheney .who were on the .watch at 911.Stop lying about it' history wont change that fact . One of the worst e days in America ever! and it was with Republicans trying to take credit for it?

 

[namvet]

why did LBJ start a war he couldn't finish or win???? because liberals have no spines or courage to see it thru. and now we have one hiding under his desk. he carries a golf club in one hand and a chicken switch in the other. and a military with very serious doubts if he'll sell them out.

 

[CurveLight]

why did LBJ start a war he couldn't finish or win???? because liberals have no spines or courage to see it thru. and now we have one hiding under his desk. he carries a golf club in one hand and a chicken switch in the other. and a military with very serious doubts if he'll sell them out.

It takes an extremely unbelievably astronomically galactic fucking dumbass to label such a large group as being spineless. You sound like the kind of reject that helped sort mail in Vietnam only to come home and tell tales of heroism that only children and psychotics could accept. Grow the fuck up.

 

[CMike]

I'm now going to demonstrate clarity on two issues. The first is the essence of truth. When a truth is within grasp it is impossible to escape its hold.

Citing the claim WMD were moved to Syria is one of the strongest pieces of evidence the goal of the invasion was to confiscate Iraq and not WMD. The reason is painfully obvious. If the goal was to seize weapons in the hands of a terrorism sponsoring State we would have left Iraq and chased the weapons to Syria. So why didn't we? The US State Dept maintains a list of terrorism sponsoring States. There is not a single nation on earth who has had more birthdays on that sheet than Syria.

"Syria has been on the U.S. list of state sponsors of terrorism since the list's inception in 1979. Because of its continuing support and safe haven for terrorist organizations, Syria is subject to legislatively mandated penalties, including export sanctions and ineligibility to receive most forms of U.S. aid or to purchase U.S. military equipment."
Syria (05/07)


When you have to rely on rumors and speculation to maintain your position it is clear caution should be used when making claims. The only thing worse is referencing rumors that, if true, defeats your own argument. If we didn't follow the weapons into Syria we were never following them at all.

more clipped nonsense

Answer the comments, cmike, or you have no creditibility.

I did.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1858957-post118.html

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not credibly.

 

[CMike]

Why do Republicans pretend to be somehow responsible against terrorism?A little tip' it was Bush and Cheney .who were on the .watch at 911.Stop lying about it' history wont change that fact . One of the worst e days in America ever! and it was with Republicans trying to take credit for it?

And since 911 Bush/Cheney kept the country safe for 7 years.

Obama/Biden/Liberal minions have been in office for one year, and we have already had three terrorist attacks within the US.

Why? Because they are undoing what Bush/Cheney had done to protect this country.

They are not just naive, they are reckless, and therefore a grave danger to this country.

 

[CMike]

Not credibly.

 

[namvet]

why did LBJ start a war he couldn't finish or win???? because liberals have no spines or courage to see it thru. and now we have one hiding under his desk. he carries a golf club in one hand and a chicken switch in the other. and a military with very serious doubts if he'll sell them out.

It takes an extremely unbelievably astronomically galactic fucking dumbass to label such a large group as being spineless. You sound like the kind of reject that helped sort mail in Vietnam only to come home and tell tales of heroism that only children and psychotics could accept. Grow the fuck up.

your light is more than curved kid. its bent. here's a clue stupid. we didn't fight for you OR the whore that gave you birth. so go suck a big black one.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not credibly.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Cheney is more interested in criticizing our President than fighting the terrorists. For that I think it is time people considered him a traitor to the American value of standing solidly behind the president's efforts to keep us safe. The four time draft dodger Cheney didn't serve the nation now does even more disservice to the country.

Amazing that a draft dodger is listened to at all.

I don't think you're being fair to Cheney. I think we should give him all of the credit he has coming. The big chicken received 5 deferments, not 4.

WASHINGTON, April 30 — It was 1959 when Dick Cheney, then a student at Yale University, turned 18 and became eligible for the draft.

Eventually, like 16 million other young men of that era, Mr. Cheney sought deferments. By the time he turned 26 in January 1967 and was no longer eligible for the draft, he had asked for and received five deferments, four because he was a student and one for being a new father.

Cheney's Five Draft Deferments During the Vietnam Era Emerge as a Campaign Issue - NYTimes.com

So just like 16 million others....So he didn't break the law and dodge the draft he operated within the law. Don't we just love the whole truth?

 

[SFC Ollie]

cheney draft dodger - Google Search

Come on Sarge you ain't that dumb.

Accusations are totally empty bullshit when you have no proof. My Granddaughter can Google Alice in Wonderland too.........

It's not an accusation, it's a fact. Damn, you people are really in la la land.

la la la la la la He did not break the law, therefore not a draft dodger, Unless of course you can prove otherwise?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Why do Republicans pretend to be somehow responsible against terrorism?A little tip' it was Bush and Cheney .who were on the .watch at 911.Stop lying about it' history wont change that fact . One of the worst e days in America ever! and it was with Republicans trying to take credit for it?

It was Bush that stopped preparing for the next attack and went after them, Proactive vs reactive. And this is what Bush will be remembered for.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Bush will be remembered for the greatest foreign policy gaffe in American history, Ollie: that is his legacy forever.

 

[namvet]

the lib retards were the draft dodgers. man they ran hard and fast to get out. and if Osama brings back the draft this board is missing a ton a liberals

 

[JakeStarkey]

namvet's legacy is to be ignored forever.

 

[CMike]

Bush will be remembered for the greatest foreign policy gaffe in American history, Ollie: that is his legacy forever.

Pres. Bush Jr is the greatest president in my lifetime.

He is the first one that had the balls to take the fight to the terrorists. No other president has done that.

 

[namvet]

Starkey has no legacy. or any legs to stand on. moron