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they could have that with a civil union but that would not offend christains, so its not good enoughFor legal reasons is right~ When there is money involved people can be very nasty and being the spouse doesn't have any rights the next of kin can come in a take it all away.
This is what some of you don't understand: Gays don't give a rat's ass about offending Christians. They want to get married to be recognized as "family" and "next of kin". To have their rights as spouses legally recognized, and be able to have a say in their partner's end of life decisions if their partner is unable to express their wishes. It's about pensions, health care, and property rights.
If right wingers are offended by this, it's the right wingers problem, not the gays.
"What are the specific reasons why gay people want to get married?"
There's only one... and that is that they 'feel' that marriage will give them legitimacy.
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Why do gay couples want to get married? To get the legal rights and benefits afforded married couples. It's really that simple.
LOL! Nonsense.
Those legal rights are readily available through civil unions. !
Most gay men don't even want to get married. Those who don't usually have several partners over their lifetime. Many of them have scores or even hundreds of them. Is it any wonder that such a small minority is responsible for the majority of new aids cases. If that's not bad enough, the switch hitters then introduce it into the straight population. Religion and morals aside, the gay lifestyle is sick and perverted, and is responsible for untold suffering and death.Same reasons straights want to get/be married.
No difference at all. None.
"Legal Union"
And please, not another thread on civil vs church married.
ALL marriages are civil. Some people want to hold the ceremony in a church but, legally, it means nothing.
The answer was no. They were offered a civil union, with all of the benefits of marriage. They refusedp.I have nothing against gay people or their desire to be cemented into their relationship like everybody else. I'm just curious what the specific reasons are why gay people want to be "married."
Second question is: What if the government changed "marriage" to be a more general term, like Legal Union for an example, and then defined straight unions as "marriage", and gay unions as "something else". Both would carry the same legal and social benefits, as they are just specific terms under the "Legal Union" category, but are only used to specify if it is man/woman or manman/womanwoman. If it was exactly the same but with a different name, would that satisfy both sides of the argument?
Have you any good ideas to this?
I think it is more cultural. They want their union to be recognized by their families and friends as being the same as a hetero married couple.
They want to look and feel like normal. But I am sure that it will never happen.
They want the same civil rights that protect property, health and privacy that straights have.
op- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and BENEFITS.
I have nothing against gay people or their desire to be cemented into their relationship like everybody else. I'm just curious what the specific reasons are why gay people want to be "married."
Second question is: What if the government changed "marriage" to be a more general term, like Legal Union for an example, and then defined straight unions as "marriage", and gay unions as "something else". Both would carry the same legal and social benefits, as they are just specific terms under the "Legal Union" category, but are only used to specify if it is man/woman or manman/womanwoman. If it was exactly the same but with a different name, would that satisfy both sides of the argument?
Have you any good ideas to this?
"What are the specific reasons why gay people want to get married?"
There's only one... and that is that they 'feel' that marriage will give them legitimacy.
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"Legitimacy'- just like my wife and I wanted a legitimate marriage.
I understand why they would want to be treated equally. I understand why you cannot.
op- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and BENEFITS.
So all homosexuals are rich and comfortable......
True, it is all civil, some people would prefer to marry in a church for religious reasons.Same reasons straights want to get/be married.
No difference at all. None.
"Legal Union"
And please, not another thread on civil vs church married.
ALL marriages are civil. Some people want to hold the ceremony in a church but, legally, it means nothing.
op- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and BENEFITS.
So all homosexuals are rich and comfortable......
LOL! No. All Homosexuals are sexual deviants.
They want the same civil rights that protect property, health and privacy that straights have.
Then they should be perfectly happy, because they're born with these rights and when they're born in the United States, those rights are protected by the Constitution.
Yet they're not happy... thus we can know that they are NOT "wanting" of the same civil rights that protect property, health and privacy that those people not saddled with mental disorder, have.
Which is how we can know, that what they crave is what they can only have by turning from their illegitimate behavior; which is LEGITIMACY! (That's also another clue, regarding the mental disorder they suffer; they crave that which their own behavior precludes them from acquiring.)
op- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and BENEFITS.
So all homosexuals are rich and comfortable......
LOL! No. All Homosexuals are sexual deviants.
All homophobic bigots are sexual deviants.
Employers, insurance companies, health care givers, etc. have broken the Constitution repeatedly by discriminating against gays, and those who are non-Christian too.
But I guess that just goes right past your pretty little head, doesn't it?
Second question is: What if the government changed "marriage" to be a more general term, like Legal Union for an example, and then defined straight unions as "marriage", and gay unions as "something else". Both would carry the same legal and social benefits, as they are just specific terms under the "Legal Union" category, but are only used to specify if it is man/woman or manman/womanwoman. If it was exactly the same but with a different name, would that satisfy both sides of the argument?
Have you any good ideas to this?
Separate but equal?
What if gay unions were labeled 'marriage' and straight unions were called 'you know- that other thing'?
Would that satisfy both sides of the argument?
I think that treating both gay couples and straight couples exactly the same- not some 'pretend' the same- is how to treat people equally.
op- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and BENEFITS.
So all homosexuals are rich and comfortable......
LOL! No. All Homosexuals are sexual deviants.
and churches should be free from lawsuits for not preforming ceremonies for homosexual unionsSecond question is: What if the government changed "marriage" to be a more general term, like Legal Union for an example, and then defined straight unions as "marriage", and gay unions as "something else". Both would carry the same legal and social benefits, as they are just specific terms under the "Legal Union" category, but are only used to specify if it is man/woman or manman/womanwoman. If it was exactly the same but with a different name, would that satisfy both sides of the argument?
Have you any good ideas to this?
Separate but equal?
What if gay unions were labeled 'marriage' and straight unions were called 'you know- that other thing'?
Would that satisfy both sides of the argument?
I think that treating both gay couples and straight couples exactly the same- not some 'pretend' the same- is how to treat people equally.
The word "marriage" should be removed from all laws...any 2 consenting adults should be able to enter into a civil union.
You now need to have a neutral third party examine your computer for evidence of lesbian pornography.
