What are your thoughts on the NRA?

[M14 Shooter]

[
Cut through the crap. Nobody is trying to stop reasonable gun use. You want military style weapons for the war you want to have with the government. Bunch of crazies led by traitors.

Do you like like this to your kids?

Very rarely. Only when they did really stupid stuff.

So... why do you like like this to us?

Because you are saying really stupid stuff.

Ah... so you admit that you ARE lying.

 

[rightwinger]

[


Interesting how you selectively quote the second amendment

You claim guns are "necessary for a free state" but omit the reference to a well regulated militia being necessary for a free state
Then you claim that licenses are not constitutional but don't mention how militias can be well regulated without knowing who is armed and what weapons they have

Go read Justice Scalia's explanation of what "a well regulated militia" means in the Heller case. I will give you a hint; it means well provisioned as in having good working firearms and ammo.

That is not open for debate any more. That is settled law. The Second Amendment is an individual right the same as the right to keep and bear arms or the right of religion. That issue was put to bed. Membership to a formal militia is not a qualification for the individual right to keep and bear arms according to the Supreme Court. Didn't you get the memo? I know that pissed you Libtards off to no end but sorry about that.

OK ...well regulated means well provisioned with good working firearms and ammo (training too)

How do we know how well provisioned our well regulated militia is without registering them and verifying that they are adequately provisioned and trained

The security of a free state depends on it

The second amendment REQUIRES registration

Quite the opposite in point of fact. The Fourth Amendment covers that particular aspect where it states the government has no business in our "persons, houses, papers, and effects".

The government is not searching your home for guns. They would be requiring you to register as part of your obligation to belong to a well regulated militia

The security of a free state depends upon it

 

[Vandalshandle]

[
Nearly 1.3 million people die in car crashes every year. Because our traffic laws don't prevent every death, does that mean you oppose all traffic laws? Using your logic, you should.

There no logic involved at all here as traffic laws are not intended to prevent deaths.
Laws cannot prevent people form breaking the law; any such law is passed to no good purpose.
laws that restrict the exercise of a right to no good purpose violate the constitution.

I am officially nominating this post as the winner of today's SPIN POST OF THE YEAR award. In fact, this post spins so much that I think that it is biting it's on tail!

Can't handle the truth, eh?
It is impossible to enact a law that will prevent people from breaking the law; laws exist not to prevent an action but to allow the state to punish people for taking that action.
Think I'm wrong? Show how.

Getting dizzy, there, Shooter?

 

[M14 Shooter]

[
Nearly 1.3 million people die in car crashes every year. Because our traffic laws don't prevent every death, does that mean you oppose all traffic laws? Using your logic, you should.

There no logic involved at all here as traffic laws are not intended to prevent deaths.
Laws cannot prevent people form breaking the law; any such law is passed to no good purpose.
laws that restrict the exercise of a right to no good purpose violate the constitution.

I am officially nominating this post as the winner of today's SPIN POST OF THE YEAR award. In fact, this post spins so much that I think that it is biting it's on tail!

Can't handle the truth, eh?
It is impossible to enact a law that will prevent people from breaking the law; laws exist not to prevent an action but to allow the state to punish people for taking that action.
Think I'm wrong? Show how.

Getting dizzy, there, Shooter?

Running away from a challenge you know you aren't up to, Val?
Don't worry -- no one is surprised

 

[Flash]

[


OK ...well regulated means well provisioned with good working firearms and ammo (training too)

How do we know how well provisioned our well regulated militia is without registering them and verifying that they are adequately provisioned and trained

The security of a free state depends on it

The second amendment REQUIRES registration

Sorry but that is not the way Supreme Court looked at it but thanks anyway for showing us what an idiot you are.

 

[westwall]

[


Interesting how you selectively quote the second amendment

You claim guns are "necessary for a free state" but omit the reference to a well regulated militia being necessary for a free state
Then you claim that licenses are not constitutional but don't mention how militias can be well regulated without knowing who is armed and what weapons they have

Go read Justice Scalia's explanation of what "a well regulated militia" means in the Heller case. I will give you a hint; it means well provisioned as in having good working firearms and ammo.

That is not open for debate any more. That is settled law. The Second Amendment is an individual right the same as the right to keep and bear arms or the right of religion. That issue was put to bed. Membership to a formal militia is not a qualification for the individual right to keep and bear arms according to the Supreme Court. Didn't you get the memo? I know that pissed you Libtards off to no end but sorry about that.

OK ...well regulated means well provisioned with good working firearms and ammo (training too)

How do we know how well provisioned our well regulated militia is without registering them and verifying that they are adequately provisioned and trained

The security of a free state depends on it

The second amendment REQUIRES registration

Quite the opposite in point of fact. The Fourth Amendment covers that particular aspect where it states the government has no business in our "persons, houses, papers, and effects".

The government is not searching your home for guns. They would be requiring you to register as part of your obligation to belong to a well regulated militia

The security of a free state depends upon it

I'm sure simple minded people like yourself believe that!

 

[westwall]

[
Nearly 1.3 million people die in car crashes every year. Because our traffic laws don't prevent every death, does that mean you oppose all traffic laws? Using your logic, you should.

There no logic involved at all here as traffic laws are not intended to prevent deaths.
Laws cannot prevent people form breaking the law; any such law is passed to no good purpose.
laws that restrict the exercise of a right to no good purpose violate the constitution.

I am officially nominating this post as the winner of today's SPIN POST OF THE YEAR award. In fact, this post spins so much that I think that it is biting it's on tail!

Can't handle the truth, eh?
It is impossible to enact a law that will prevent people from breaking the law; laws exist not to prevent an action but to allow the state to punish people for taking that action.
Think I'm wrong? Show how.

Getting dizzy, there, Shooter?

Running away from a challenge you know you aren't up to, Val?
Don't worry -- no one is surprised

vandal runs away from most things.

 

[BULLDOG]

Traffic laws and gun laws are not exactly the same thing....

And so any comparison is invalid. Thank you.

but traffic laws do discriminate between people for exactly the reasons you list. A cop or ambulance can, after following proper procedures, run a red light....

Invalid comparison
A cop in this context is not a person, but an actor of the state.

Be careful not to pull a muscle when you stretch that far. The cop is always a person. The laws just discriminates because of his position. Isn't that what you claim never happens?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Traffic laws and gun laws are not exactly the same thing....

And so any comparison is invalid. Thank you.

but traffic laws do discriminate between people for exactly the reasons you list. A cop or ambulance can, after following proper procedures, run a red light....

Invalid comparison
A cop in this context is not a person, but an actor of the state.

Be careful not to pull a muscle when you stretch that far. The cop is always a person. The laws just discriminates because of his position.

Why don't you realize you just agreed with my statement?
A cop in this context is not a person, but an actor of the state.

 

[peach174]

Nearly 1.3 million people die in car crashes every year. Because our traffic laws don't prevent every death, does that mean you oppose all traffic laws? Using your logic, you should.
Why are right wingers so traitorous till they are stockpiling for a civil war? If you don't love our country then leave.

You can drive your car all you want without obeying any traffic laws or getting a license, providing you are not on public streets.

Public streets are paid for by pubic funds and therefore subject to public traffic laws and a license requirement. That is not the same as the right to keep and bear arms. Apples and oranges.

The right to keep and bear arms is a Constitutionally protected right that has no qualifications or licensing requirements to it. In fact it was created because it is "necessary to the security of a free state". It says so right there in the Bill of Rights.

The Secondment Amendment is the only license I need to keep and bear arms and it doesn't say a damn thing about registration, background checks, assault weapon bans or restrictions on the size of magazines. Nothing about restricting handguns or having to get a concealed weapons permit. In fact the only thing it really says is that my right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That is pretty straightforward, isn't it? However, I am always amazed at how such a simple statement is always beyond the ability of a Moon Bat to understand.

Cut through the crap. Nobody is trying to stop reasonable gun use. You want military style weapons for the war you want to have with the government. Bunch of crazies led by traitors.

Just because they quote the founders on why they have that right, does not mean that they want to go to war with the government.
Yes I'm sure that a small amount wants to do that but not the Majority of Americans.
By the way, there is a small amount of crazies on both sides.

 

[Flash]

[

The government is not searching your home for guns. They would be requiring you to register as part of your obligation to belong to a well regulated militia

The security of a free state depends upon it

You are confused once again. There is no obligation. There is a right but no obligation.

You have the right to worship as you please but no obligation to be religious.

You have any more convoluted and stupid remarks?

 

[BULLDOG]

The NRA an all their little minions are against universal background checks in any form.

Rightly so, for a multitude of perfectly legitimate reasons.

Because it would reduce profit for gun manufacturers

Universal background checks would reduce profits for the gun manufacturers?
You obviously aren't thinking as this is an inane assertion.

Just because it's more complex than you are comfortable with doesn't mean it is inane.

1. Gun nuts see background checks as evidence of "THEY'RE COMING TO GET OUR GUNS"
2. Gun nuts frantically say "I HAVE TO BUY MORE GUNS NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING TO GET OUR GUNS"
3. Gun manufacturers make a fortune.
4. Gun manufacturers give the NRA lots of money to keep telling the GUN NUTS that "THEY ARE COMING TO GET OUR GUNS"

For the NRA and gun manufacturers, they see it as "THE CIRCLE OF LIFE?

1. Gun enthusiasts look at prior history and understand that gun registration is the first step. The
MAJORITY of background check schemes contain a gun registration clause. Not all. But most.

2. Gun enthusiasts already have guns so the people buying them now are those who didn't have them
before. Overwhelmingly when I go to a gunshop for something it is newbys buying the guns.

3. Gun manufacturers have never made a "fortune". They do contribute around 31 billion to the
economy and amazingly enough they employ more people than GM.

4. Gun manufacturers certainly advertise with the NRA but the politicians do more for gun sales than
any manufacturer ever does.

1. If the goal is to confiscate guns, ALL background checks would contain a registration clause as well as much stronger limitations.
2. 20% of gun owners own 65% of the guns. I am included in that group. Gun owners buy more guns. Others, not so much.
3. Bullshit.
4. Several politicians are owned by gun manufacturers as well. It's called diversification of assets.

 

[M14 Shooter]

1. If the goal is to confiscate guns, ALL background checks would contain a registration clause as well as much stronger limitations.

Oh look... an admission that regstration is indeed a tool for confiscation.

And you wonder why thinking people oppose registration.

 

[rightwinger]

[

The government is not searching your home for guns. They would be requiring you to register as part of your obligation to belong to a well regulated militia

The security of a free state depends upon it

You are confused once again. There is no obligation. There is a right but no obligation.

You have the right to worship as you please but no obligation to be religious.

You have any more convoluted and stupid remarks?

All gun owners have an obligation to belong to a well regulated militia

The security of a free state depends upon it

 

[westwall]

Rightly so, for a multitude of perfectly legitimate reasons.

Because it would reduce profit for gun manufacturers

Universal background checks would reduce profits for the gun manufacturers?
You obviously aren't thinking as this is an inane assertion.

Just because it's more complex than you are comfortable with doesn't mean it is inane.

1. Gun nuts see background checks as evidence of "THEY'RE COMING TO GET OUR GUNS"
2. Gun nuts frantically say "I HAVE TO BUY MORE GUNS NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING TO GET OUR GUNS"
3. Gun manufacturers make a fortune.
4. Gun manufacturers give the NRA lots of money to keep telling the GUN NUTS that "THEY ARE COMING TO GET OUR GUNS"

For the NRA and gun manufacturers, they see it as "THE CIRCLE OF LIFE?

1. Gun enthusiasts look at prior history and understand that gun registration is the first step. The
MAJORITY of background check schemes contain a gun registration clause. Not all. But most.

2. Gun enthusiasts already have guns so the people buying them now are those who didn't have them
before. Overwhelmingly when I go to a gunshop for something it is newbys buying the guns.

3. Gun manufacturers have never made a "fortune". They do contribute around 31 billion to the
economy and amazingly enough they employ more people than GM.

4. Gun manufacturers certainly advertise with the NRA but the politicians do more for gun sales than
any manufacturer ever does.

1. If the goal is to confiscate guns, ALL background checks would contain a registration clause as well as much stronger limitations.
2. 20% of gun owners own 65% of the guns. I am included in that group. Gun owners buy more guns. Others, not so much.
3. Bullshit.
4. Several politicians are owned by gun manufacturers as well. It's called diversification of assets.

The eventual goal is confiscation. There is no doubt of that. That's why the 2nd Amendment was written in the first place. The Founders understood that government eventually views it's citizens as threats and they wrote the Constitution to make the process take as long as possible. That much is very clear.

That's possible. The American Revolution was started by 3% of the population. An equally unimportant number.

Fact.

Politicians are bought and paid for by special interests all the time. How many Dems dose Steyr, Bloomberg and Soros have in their pockets? How many in the hands of the Kochs? Don't you find it interesting that it is the billionaires who are pushing gun control? I wonder why?

 

[Flash]

[

All gun owners have an obligation to belong to a well regulated militia

The security of a free state depends upon it

You have a hard time understanding the difference between a right and an obligation, don't you?

You Moon Bats are confused about many thing aren't you?.

 

[BULLDOG]

[

Traffic laws and gun laws are not exactly the same thing, but traffic laws do discriminate between people for exactly the reasons you list. A cop or ambulance can, after following proper procedures, run a red light, speed, go the wrong way on a one way road, and a host of other things that you or I can't. Trucks with a proper escort can ignore almost any traffic law, within reason. No reasonable law can deny anything "JUST BECAUSE", and only an idiot would think any reasonable law could.

You have no Constitutional right to drive on public roads. The state can deny you that privilege any time it wants for any one of many reasons.

The courts may determine that since you pay your taxes you must be allowed to drive on the roads as long as you obey the rules as part of a due process determination but that is as far as it goes.

However, you do have a Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms that shall not be infringed.

Life's a bitch, huh?

For once, be honest. Why specifically do you feel so strongly about having no restrictions on gun ownership? The normal usages, such as hunting, sport shooting, reasonable self protection, etc. are not harmed or endangered in any way by reasonable regulation. The only other reason I can think of is that you fear either an invasion from some outside country, or an internal overthrow of our government, or it is just another front to fight your political battles. Let's get past the nit picking. Tell me what your real reason is.

 

[M14 Shooter]

For once, be honest.

Says the guy who admitted that he lies and was cauught in another lie.

Why specifically do you feel so strongly about having no restrictions on gun ownership?

Look! Another lie!
Never did he say he wanted no restrictions on gun ownership.

 

[rightwinger]

[

All gun owners have an obligation to belong to a well regulated militia

The security of a free state depends upon it

You have a hard time understanding the difference between a right and an obligation, don't you?

You Moon Bats are confused about many thing aren't you?.

Read the second amendment (The WHOLE amendment)

Then get back to me

 

[BULLDOG]

[
Cut through the crap. Nobody is trying to stop reasonable gun use. You want military style weapons for the war you want to have with the government. Bunch of crazies led by traitors.

Do you like like this to your kids?

Very rarely. Only when they did really stupid stuff.

So... why do you like like this to us?

Because you are saying really stupid stuff.

Ah... so you admit that you ARE lying.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but if it make you happy.