What do criminals in prison say about guns stopping them....

[2aguy]

This is an interesting way to look at the idea of guns being used to stop violent crime...ask the criminals who commit violent crime....I found this at extranosalley, a gun blog....any further questions should be addressed there for the exact studies they cite...

How Many Americans Use Guns In Self Defense Each Day Extrano s Alley a gun blog

From data acquired from a variety of sources but for the most part from a variety of prison surveys…

Starting at the top, prison surveys indicate the possible presence of a gun prevents eleven million crimes a year, or an average of more than 30,000 a day. But possible does not fit the description of use; although it may fit yours.

Those same surveys suggest a criminal comes face to face with someone who may be armed approximately 600,000 times a year, or 1650 times a day. The usual result is a hasty flight, with no crime committed and by my definition no gun used.

Prison surveys indicate an armed man confronts – defined as “to face in hostility or defiance; to oppose:”- or shows a gun to a potential criminal more than a a quarter of a million times a year, or 725 times a day. As with face to face encounters, the usual result is a hasty departure on the part of the criminal. This more nearly fits my definition of “use.”

Armed Americans discharge a firearm in the general direction of a criminal (“warning shots”) approximately 65,000 times a year, or 175 times a day. Since an offensive action is taken, this fits my definition of “use.”

Americans shoot and wound or kill, “use,” a gun approximately 7,500 criminal predators a year, or more than 20 a day. This is the strictest common meaning of “use a gun in self defense.”

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You would not have noticed this but -

Not one reference, not one source, not one bit of real fact.

Nothing but one nutter's opinion with which you happen to agree so that makes it gospel. I DARE you to ask him for his "sources". LOL

THIS is exactly why you rabid RWs are so damn easy to own.

 

[2aguy]

If you read the post....

.any further questions should be addressed there for the exact studies they cite...

They also get their information from actual research, they were responding to quick searches, if they say it came from a study, it came from a study....and you can bet I will get the sources....

 

[2aguy]

Well...I did ask them for their sources, and will wait for that...until then....What do criminals say about how they get guns, how easily and are they afraid of getting caught with a gun....

Center for Problem-Oriented Policing Tool Guides Using Offender Interviews to Inform Police Problem Solving

Gun Offenders
There have been a number of interviews with offenders involved in firearm use. These studies reinforce what was learned in earlier studies including the versatility of offenders, high levels of victimization, and easy access to firearms.

In one study, nearly1,900 prisoners were interviewed in 10 state prison facilities.18 Fifty percent of the prisoners were classified as gun criminals. Three-quarters of the people interviewed owned at least one gun, and of that group, three-quarters owned handguns. Not surprisingly, a majority of the prisoners had used a gun in the commission of a crime. Most inmates reported that they owned a gun for protection, owned small, inexpensive weapons, and had a preference for large caliber, high quality firearms.

It is important to note that informal and illegal means dominated the methods by which inmates obtained guns, and most reported that a gun could be obtained within a matter of hours. This picture of the illegal firearms market is consistent with a view of the street gun scene as very informal, word-of-mouth, and easy to access for offenders. It also reinforces the view that offenders are not easily deterred by the chance of arrest and penalties for illegal possession of firearms.

Interviews of incarcerated male juveniles and inner city males showed that gun possession was common among these groups.19 Not surprisingly, involvement in drug sales had important effects in increasing gun carrying. Selfreports of gun carrying were also high among those not involved in drug sales. Taken together, these reports suggest the importance of monitoring gun acquisition by those at risk for involvement in gun violence either as victims or offenders, even at a young age. Other research supports the conclusion that there are strong relationships between being involved in drug sales, gang membership, and gun ownership and use.

[QUOTE]Interviews revealed that females made many straw purchases for felons who could not purchase a gun, and ATF now includes multiple purchases of firearms made by females as a category of concern.
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Rochester, N.Y. focus group interviews documented the easy availability of guns coupled with the knowledge that gun prosecutions were increasing. Despite this, few offenders reported a willingness to give up their guns, owing to the danger on the streets. Detention interviews conducted in Indianapolis demonstrated that arrestees were familiar with several of the initiatives that had been put in place and were in some ways amenable to the messages about reducing gun carrying.

 

[2aguy]

See Luddly, by debating you I find all sorts of information....

How criminals pick their victims....

Marked for Mayhem Psychology Today

Within a few seconds, the convicts identified which pedestrians they would have been likely to target. What startled the researchers was that there was a clear consensus among the criminals about whom they would have picked as victims—and their choices were not based ongender, race, or age. Some petite, physically slight women were not selected as potential victims, while some large men were.

The researchers realized the criminals were assessing the ease with which they could overpower the targets based on several nonverbal signals—posture, body language, pace of walking, length of stride, and awareness of environment. Neither criminals nor victims were consciously aware of these cues. They are what psychologists call "precipitators," personal attributes that increase a person's likelihood of being criminally victimized.

This part was interesting...about dressing provocatively....maybe not so much a choice...

Even personality plays a role. Conventional wisdom holds that women who dress provocatively draw attention and put themselves at risk of sexual assault. But studies show that it is women with passive, submissive personalities who are most likely to be raped—and that they tend to wear body-concealing clothing, such as high necklines, long pants and sleeves, and multiple layers. Predatory men can accurately identify submissive women just by their style of dress and other aspects of appearance. The hallmarks of submissive body language, such as downward gaze and slumped posture, may even be misinterpreted by rapists as flirtation.

And while you're at it, don't even talk to strangers on the street in isolated locations. One warning sign that you may be about to be robbed or attacked is the approach of a stranger on the street. The person may try to engage you in conversation. He may ask for the time, directions, bus fare, or try to tell you about a nice club or restaurant just around the corner.

Calvin Donaldson, who's been in prison in Louisiana for the last 28 years after robbing a couple in the French Quarter who asked him for directions, offers some advice: "Once you stop and let this guy engage you in conversation, you're opening yourself up," he says. "Some people you don't talk to. You just keep going."

 

[Katzndogz]

How hard can it be to figure out.

Ask 100 prisoners. There are two possible marks for robbery, one has a gun the other does not. Which one will be the victim?

 

[turtledude]

How hard can it be to figure out.

Ask 100 prisoners. There are two possible marks for robbery, one has a gun the other does not. Which one will be the victim?

mopes are good at figuring out who can fuck them up

they avoid people who look like that

 

[2aguy]

You would not have noticed this but -

Not one reference, not one source, not one bit of real fact.

Nothing but one nutter's opinion with which you happen to agree so that makes it gospel. I DARE you to ask him for his "sources". LOL

THIS is exactly why you rabid RWs are so damn easy to own.

Luddly....I went to Extranosalley and posed your post and asked them for the information on where we can find the studies they cited....here is what they wrote in reply...

Hi Bill: There was a reason I said the data is from scattered sources. The first wide ranging prison survey was the Wright Rossi report in 1982. The Bureau of Justice Statistics has a couple of studies from the early 1990’s, a subsequent study by Wright and Rossi is here, the Bureau of Justice Statistics has some studies that bear on the subject but they are not indexed in a way that makes them easy to find. But for the most part the older studies were either never put on the internet or have been placed behind a paywall.

Neither have four graduate theses that were well done, numbers are plausible and generally agree, passed critical peer review, and that have not found a publisher. One would think the idea that a criminal fears an armed victim is politically incorrect or something.

Over the years since the Wright Rossi report was released, the most notable change in the numbers is the number of crimes never attempted or aborted because the intended victim might have a gun. R-W found 2.2 million based on 1800 responses from New England prisons.

The most comprehensive of the so-far unpublished studies is based on, as I recall, approximately 900 prisoner interviews in five southeastern states. The latest unpublished study found 11.5 million crimes prevented or aborted by the presence of a gun.

The data on persons wounded is primarily from data mining the CDC websites, in particular the WOSQARS website for overall numbers, and the CDC WONDER site for some details.

Finally, the numbers for the number of individuals shot to death is from mining the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report, particularly Table 1 of the violent crimes database, and Table 8 of the Expanded Offense Data, homicide.

They even invited you over to debate on their cite....but they did point out their policy....

Usual rules, keep it clean in accordance with the Alley’s “child safe” policy; and we can debate the issue until he or she gets tired of it. Which usually occurs before the fourth go around.

They are good people over at Extranosalley...so if you go over there Luddly, please be polite....