What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry

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What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry and Why it Matters

In July of 2013, Illinois became the last state in the union to enact a concealed carry law. In January of this year, the state began accepting applications for permits. This week, Chicago police announced that the city’s first quarter murder rate was the lowest since 1958.

Via ABC-affiliate Eye Witness News in the Windy City:
◾The first three months of the year saw 6 fewer murders than the same time frame in 2013–a 9 percent drop–and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to a statement from Chicago Police.
◾There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, drops of 26 and 29 percent respectively, according to police statistics.
◾Compared to the first quarter of 2012, there have been 222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims. Overall crime is down 25 percent from last year, and police said more than 1,300 illegal guns were recovered in the last three months.

Coincidence? Hard to say. And too early to tell. Although, I doubt that the anti-gun crowd is celebrating the good news.

Gun crime experts John Lott, Jr. and David Mustard made the famous argument in “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Firearms” that: “When state concealed handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell by 8.5 percent, and rapes and aggravated assaults fell by 5 and 7 percent.” More guns mean less crime.

Gary Kleck, PhD., also a gun crime expert, found that the crime deterrence effect of firearms possession is significant: sophisticated statistics suggest three to four crimes are stopped by a handgun than are committed in the United States every year.

But if everyone is packing, how do the libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks?
 
In virtually every instance, criminals would rather face a jury than an armed victim.
In virtually every instance, liberals would rather force people call the police than have the capacity to effectively defend themselves.
:dunno:
 
In virtually every instance, criminals would rather face a jury than an armed victim.
In virtually every instance, liberals would rather force people call the police than have the capacity to effectively defend themselves.
:dunno:

Who in their right mind would rather wait 15 minutes for a cop to arrive when they could save their own life in a matter of seconds? Guns are great equalizers. A "courageous," bad-ass criminal becomes a cowardly wimp when confronted by an armed citizen.
 
libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks

Please put this in the badlands.
 
Otis McDonald, man who successfully fought to overturn Chicago handgun ban, dies at 80

April 4, 2014 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- The retired Chicago man who fought successfully to overturn the city's handgun ban has died.

Otis McDonald was the lead defendant in the case before the U.S. Supreme Court four years ago. The court ruled that second amendment rights could not be infringed by local governments.

McDonald died Friday of cancer at the age of 80.

Otis McDonald, man who successfully fought to overturn Chicago handgun ban, dies at 80 | abc7chicago.com

RIP Otis the good people of Chicago are very grateful for you standing up for their rights to self protection
 
In virtually every instance, criminals would rather face a jury than an armed victim.
In virtually every instance, liberals would rather force people call the police than have the capacity to effectively defend themselves.
:dunno:

Who in their right mind would rather wait 15 minutes for a cop to arrive when they could save their own life in a matter of seconds? Guns are great equalizers. A "courageous," bad-ass criminal becomes a cowardly wimp when confronted by an armed citizen.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
 
Who would've thought getting rid of a GOVERNMENT ban would fix the problem. This is just a start to fix problems caused by government bans and regulations.
 
It can't be the concealed carry....it just can't be. Only progressive ideas work.

I'm sure the liberal media will chalk this one up to one of the Hussein's speeches. He inspired the good black folks to stop killing each other. Yea....that had to be it....
 
There is no doubt a deterrent factor amongst some of the criminals. That is good enough for me. If it helps bring the murder rate down, even by just one murder, then I'm all for it.

Now that number of homes with guns has gone up in Cook County, I'll bet that the number of home invasions will also drop.
 
A trusting liberal pol would post prominent "Gun Free Zone" signs at every entrance to city hall and, in that trust, store away all the fancy metal detectors. Particularly around the mayoral office.
 
What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry and Why it Matters

In July of 2013, Illinois became the last state in the union to enact a concealed carry law. In January of this year, the state began accepting applications for permits. This week, Chicago police announced that the city’s first quarter murder rate was the lowest since 1958.

Via ABC-affiliate Eye Witness News in the Windy City:
◾The first three months of the year saw 6 fewer murders than the same time frame in 2013–a 9 percent drop–and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to a statement from Chicago Police.
◾There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, drops of 26 and 29 percent respectively, according to police statistics.
◾Compared to the first quarter of 2012, there have been 222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims. Overall crime is down 25 percent from last year, and police said more than 1,300 illegal guns were recovered in the last three months.

Coincidence? Hard to say. And too early to tell. Although, I doubt that the anti-gun crowd is celebrating the good news.

Gun crime experts John Lott, Jr. and David Mustard made the famous argument in “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Firearms” that: “When state concealed handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell by 8.5 percent, and rapes and aggravated assaults fell by 5 and 7 percent.” More guns mean less crime.

Gary Kleck, PhD., also a gun crime expert, found that the crime deterrence effect of firearms possession is significant: sophisticated statistics suggest three to four crimes are stopped by a handgun than are committed in the United States every year.

But if everyone is packing, how do the libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks?

This is some funny shit. If you really believe that allowing concealed carry in Chicago helped drop the murder rate, you're out of your frickin mind. You want to know why there were less gun deaths and less shootings? You will think I'm nuts, but when you think about it you will know that I'm correct. The reason there were less shootings and killings in Chicago the first three months of this year is because it was so fucking cold that nobody went outside. Everyone, including the gangbangers who commit most of these murders, were too busy trying to stay warm. Just wait until the weather warms up and they are back on the streets, and the shootings will go right back up again.
 
Jan-Mar were brutal weather wise in Chicago. This needs more time.
Get back to us at the end of the year. Please and thank you. :thup:

All right, we found someone with a brain. The gangbangers were too busy trying to stay warm, so they had less opportunity to shoot other gangbangers. You win the prize for most intelligent in this stupid thread.
 
It can't be the concealed carry....it just can't be. Only progressive ideas work.

I'm sure the liberal media will chalk this one up to one of the Hussein's speeches. He inspired the good black folks to stop killing each other. Yea....that had to be it....

No, it was the weather.
 
What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry and Why it Matters

In July of 2013, Illinois became the last state in the union to enact a concealed carry law. In January of this year, the state began accepting applications for permits. This week, Chicago police announced that the city’s first quarter murder rate was the lowest since 1958.

Via ABC-affiliate Eye Witness News in the Windy City:
◾The first three months of the year saw 6 fewer murders than the same time frame in 2013–a 9 percent drop–and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to a statement from Chicago Police.
◾There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, drops of 26 and 29 percent respectively, according to police statistics.
◾Compared to the first quarter of 2012, there have been 222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims. Overall crime is down 25 percent from last year, and police said more than 1,300 illegal guns were recovered in the last three months.

Coincidence? Hard to say. And too early to tell. Although, I doubt that the anti-gun crowd is celebrating the good news.

Gun crime experts John Lott, Jr. and David Mustard made the famous argument in “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Firearms” that: “When state concealed handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell by 8.5 percent, and rapes and aggravated assaults fell by 5 and 7 percent.” More guns mean less crime.

Gary Kleck, PhD., also a gun crime expert, found that the crime deterrence effect of firearms possession is significant: sophisticated statistics suggest three to four crimes are stopped by a handgun than are committed in the United States every year.

But if everyone is packing, how do the libtards protect their leg-breakers and shylocks?

This is some funny shit. If you really believe that allowing concealed carry in Chicago helped drop the murder rate, you're out of your frickin mind. You want to know why there were less gun deaths and less shootings? You will think I'm nuts, but when you think about it you will know that I'm correct. The reason there were less shootings and killings in Chicago the first three months of this year is because it was so fucking cold that nobody went outside. Everyone, including the gangbangers who commit most of these murders, were too busy trying to stay warm. Just wait until the weather warms up and they are back on the streets, and the shootings will go right back up again.

X2, if the right wing idiots think this has anything to do with concealed carry, they are out of their damn minds. The gangbangers have been carrying for years, and virtually every shooting is gang on gang violence.
The shootings are down because the chicago winter was the 3rd most brutal in history. Once the summer hits, watch the shootings come back.
 

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