What idiot thinks the answer is to roundup the 20 million illegals and deport them all?

[Little-Acorn]

NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

Liberals have been saying it for years.

Mostly in an attempt to pretend Republicans said it.

Liberals' capacity to lie knows no bounds.

 

[candycorn]

Steps for ridding the country of Illegal Aliens:

1. make it a felony to hire an Illegal Alien

2. make it a felony to sell or rent housing to an Illegal Alien

3. make it a felony to sell or lease a vehicle to an Illegal Alien

4. make it a felony for a bank or other financial institution to open or maintain an account for an Illegal Alien

5. make it a felony to provide an Illegal Alien with money-wire-transfer services

6. make it a felony to provide Currency Exchange -type services for an Illegal Alien

7. make it a felony to provide taxpayer-funded welfare or social services to an Illegal Alien

8. make it a felony to provide educational services to an Illegal Alien

9. make it a felony to provide medical services to an Illegal Alien (except for emergency life-saving or contagion spread-prevention measures)

10. modify all State and Federal drivers licenses and government ID cards to indicate Citizenship status

11. invest heavily in technology infrastructure to make "e-Verify" -like online citizenship verification available more broadly, beyond the realm of pre-employment screening

12. require an e-Verify query for every existing employee currently holding a job in the United States

13. metaphorically-legally "crucify" employers who violate related hiring laws.

14. declare Sanctuary Cities to be engaged in conspiracy to violate US Immigration Law

15. de-fund Sanctuary Cities at the Federal and State level until they rescind their Sanctuary status.

16. arrest the Mayors and City Councils of any Sanctuary Cities that do not rescind Sanctuary status and prosecute and convict them of conspiring to violate US Immigration Law, unless they rescind Sanctuary status

17. put teeth into these laws, to punish violators on a graduated or escalating scale, with chronic offenders getting hammered in criminal court; prison time and huge fines.

===========================================

Or some-such more draconian approach, plus or minus a bit, in areas where existing law or judicial rulings or practicalities dictate a tweak here-and-there.

Then watch these Illegal Aliens fall all over each other, scrambling to get the hell out of the United States, at the speed of light, on their own dime, and without the US Government having to spend a single dime on capture and detention and deportation.

A wall isn't the answer. A so-called path-to-citizenship isn't the answer.

Self-Deportation is the answer.

Creating (legal) conditions sufficiently hostile to Illegal Aliens, to make them want to leave, on their own, and to send a clear message across the border, that fun-time is over, and that there's not point in trying, in future.

We already have about 3,000,000 people in overcrowded prisons and another 2 million on parole/probation. Basically the population of Houston and the surrounding area.

Is there an upper limit to where you say perhaps we have too many laws?

PS: Self-Deportation won't work. Its a lot like saying that if you take away the croutons from the salad bar, people will stop going there.

 

[Ernie S.]

The fact that we're considering deportation in any way is sickening to me. Especially these pro lifers who love sending new born babies back to impoverished areas in Mexico.

How about you move a few hundred of them onto your place and support them.
That would be YOUR choice. I choose not to support babies, children men or women who came here to take advantage of the American taxpayer.

Seeing you brought up babies..... According to current law, those new borns are US citizens. I would propose that be changed so that in order to have citizenship by birth, the child's mother would have to be a citizen or documented resident alien.
Until such law is enacted, the illegal parents of children born here should not get special treatment, but be deported. They would have the choice of taking their kids with them or finding a citizen or legal immigrant to care for them with the understanding that there will be no government money allocated for their care.

 

[Alystyr]

It really doesn't have to be effective or inexpensive. It just has to be publicized. Break down a couple thousand doors of people known to be illegal aliens and toss them empty handed 500 miles south of the border and tens of thousands will be packing up and leaving on their own. If the flow south slows, break down another 500 doors, scoop up and drop off another thousand well south of the border and PUBLICIZE it.
Pretty soon they will get the idea that it makes more sense to go back to where they came from voluntarily with some or most of their possessions than to be dropped off in the desert.

You're on the right track with publicizing things.
I don't think that we'd need nearly as many examples as you proposed, however.
I think that ads (using your idea) across all media stating that "THIS is what we're going to do, and THIS is when it'll start" in no uncertain terms, and run frequently for a month or two, would start the ball rolling. After the effective date make examples out of a dozen or so, but make sure that their fate is VERY well publicized - like Caitlyn-Jenner-well-publicized - to show that it WILL happen.
If the flow slows, re-run the ads - this time with the examples previously given.

 

[Kondor3]

...We already have about 3,000,000 people in overcrowded prisons and another 2 million on parole/probation. Basically the population of Houston and the surrounding area. Is there an upper limit to where you say perhaps we have too many laws?...

Immaterial.

...PS: Self-Deportation won't work. Its a lot like saying that if you take away the croutons from the salad bar, people will stop going there.

If you can't get a job and you can't find a roof over your head and you can't buy a car and you can't use a bank or currency exchange and if you can't wire money home and if you can't go to school and if you can't get medical help and you can't obtain welfare and social services then there is no point in staying here.

To use your Salad Bar illustration, it's not like taking away the croutons... it's more like taking away all the food and leaving the ice, melting underneath the serving dishes.

They will, indeed, stop coming.

You're wrong.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What idiot thinks the answer is just just let illegals flood across the border unfettered? The same fools that have gotten us into this mess offer no solution but to surrender. Fuck that.

Expanding the democratic base supercedes and damage that it may cause the country.

 

[MrShangles]

The fact that we're considering deportation in any way is sickening to me. Especially these pro lifers who love sending new born babies back to impoverished areas in Mexico.

If you are in a lifeboat, do you let people in until they sink the boat. We can only support so many before we go down too.



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[Ringel05]

NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!

Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.

 

[Claudette]

Steps for ridding the country of Illegal Aliens:

1. make it a felony to hire an Illegal Alien

2. make it a felony to sell or rent housing to an Illegal Alien

3. make it a felony to sell or lease a vehicle to an Illegal Alien

4. make it a felony for a bank or other financial institution to open or maintain an account for an Illegal Alien

5. make it a felony to provide an Illegal Alien with money-wire-transfer services

6. make it a felony to provide Currency Exchange -type services for an Illegal Alien

7. make it a felony to provide taxpayer-funded welfare or social services to an Illegal Alien

8. make it a felony to provide educational services to an Illegal Alien

9. make it a felony to provide medical services to an Illegal Alien (except for emergency life-saving or contagion spread-prevention measures)

10. modify all State and Federal drivers licenses and government ID cards to indicate Citizenship status

11. invest heavily in technology infrastructure to make "e-Verify" -like online citizenship verification available more broadly, beyond the realm of pre-employment screening

12. require an e-Verify query for every existing employee currently holding a job in the United States

13. metaphorically-legally "crucify" employers who violate related hiring laws.

14. declare Sanctuary Cities to be engaged in conspiracy to violate US Immigration Law

15. de-fund Sanctuary Cities at the Federal and State level until they rescind their Sanctuary status.

16. arrest the Mayors and City Councils of any Sanctuary Cities that do not rescind Sanctuary status and prosecute and convict them of conspiring to violate US Immigration Law, unless they rescind Sanctuary status

17. put teeth into these laws, to punish violators on a graduated or escalating scale, with chronic offenders getting hammered in criminal court; prison time and huge fines.

===========================================

Or some-such more draconian approach, plus or minus a bit, in areas where existing law or judicial rulings or practicalities dictate a tweak here-and-there.

Then watch these Illegal Aliens fall all over each other, scrambling to get the hell out of the United States, at the speed of light, on their own dime, and without the US Government having to spend a single dime on capture and detention and deportation.

A wall isn't the answer. A so-called path-to-citizenship isn't the answer.

Self-Deportation is the answer.

Creating (legal) conditions sufficiently hostile to Illegal Aliens, to make them want to leave, on their own, and to send a clear message across the border, that fun-time is over, and that there's not point in trying, in future.

Works for me.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!

Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.

If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.

It is time we put an end to this mess.

 

[whitehall]

Are all officials who enforce federal law now called "storm troopers" by the radical left? Try settling in any other country in the world without a visa or a passport and collecting taxpayer welfare and having your kids educated and obtaining a freaking drivers license. As soon as you were tracked down in France or Germany or Norway you would be in jail pending a one way ticket. Why should the USA be any different? It should be noted that the same hypocrites who applauded FDR's decision not to allow Jews who fled the Nazis during WW2 into the U.S. because our immigration was full now want to open the borders to any criminal.

 

[Ringel05]

NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!

Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.

If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.

It is time we put an end to this mess.

And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!

Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.

If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.

It is time we put an end to this mess.

And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.

I don't know.

What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.

 

[David_42]

Nazicons are out in full force.

 

[candycorn]

...Lets see, we have people claiming there is an immigration crisis where none exists (or has existed) and another guy who wants to drop people "empty handed 500 miles south of the border". I don't suppose it matters if they are from there or not...

Really, if it came down to having people on this message board stay and having the illegal aliens stay....would we really lose anything if the posters were the ones we deport?

Ahhhhhh... another colleague who doesn't like the current mood of the country... tsk, tsk, tsk... enjoy.

It's fine with me. In fact, politically, the GOP is writing a narrative for itself that any Democrat/Liberal would want. Politically, the GOP is nowhere with ethnic minorities and Women. So the front runner of the GOP, when questioned by a woman, says the following day that she must have been on her period; it's great politically for the Dems. That the other GOP contenders basically murmured their disapproval of such idiocy is unbelievable. Then 10 days later, this immigration plan is unveiled by the same front runner, estimated to cost between 100 and 200 billion dollars; has zero chance of working, and relies heavily on overturning the 14th amendment.

If the front runner was, lets say, Mitch McConnell, Michelle Bachman, Paul Ryan, or even any of the other candidates, I'd feel slightly better about it if not a word were changed. Why? Because these people are republicans. I would expect republicans and conservatives to back them.

Donald Trump, 3 months ago, was considered a liberal. He's shown up, insulted some people, and was cheered for it. Maybe I should have expected that. Maybe I was wrong in expecting more from the opposition. Maybe I'm disappointed that the GOP voters could be duped so easily into believing there is a crisis.... Under the supposed lax immigration laws, the US has undergone the greatest growth, the greatest wealth and expansion of wealth the world has ever seen. In this age of immigrant influx, we have had both the highest number of millionaires and the highest number of Nobel prize winners.
We had a housing bubble a while back that sent out banks into a tailspin. That tailspin was handled poorly first by GWB who decided to bail out the banks (not the workers) to the tune of $700B. They paid their executives a shitload of money and then laid off a bunch of workers. Obama came in and did nothing and the banks that were "too big to fail" that necessitated that they be bailed out are still too big to fail. Meanwhile, during the recovery, businesses have discovered that they can just lean on employees to do more because people were afraid of losing their job. Thus hiring has been slowed by the practice. If you don't believe me, consider the speed of service you get when you utilize a business with any large "nose count" of employees. Service has gotten worse and worse and corporations seek to maximize profits.

"But the customers do notice. When you walk into a store, and there is virtually no help, it’s because someone figured out that the company could save X dollars if it cut back the labor budget by 7 percent. When you walk out disgusted and sales go down, the store blames it on the economy or brutal competition. Then the company reacts by having another sale which further erodes profit margins. This cycle eventually results in another failed store."--NY TImes Editorial Page.

Immigration--legal or illegal is not responsible for any of this. Citing the illegal as the cause of:

1. Slow Job Growth
2. A supposed rise in violent crime
3. Over-crowded prisons
4. Short-comings in our educational system

is fun and easy. The truth, however, tells a much different story. I continue to believe that deep down, Americans of all political stripes know the events I laid out above are the true and correct causes of a sluggish economy and that points 2-4 cannot be pinned on immigrants any more than you can blame them for global warming or drought conditions (which I'm sure is coming).

Politically, its great that the GOP once again is quite happily waving goodbye to the women's vote, the Hispanic vote, and they'll eventually get around to further alienating blacks, LGBTs,the poor, and the educated. As an American, it's sad that so many on the right could be duped so easily.

 

[Ringel05]

NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!

Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.

If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.

It is time we put an end to this mess.

And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.

I don't know.

What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.

Uummmmm, well our growth and expansion phase is long over with so we no longer need your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...........
How do you plan on locking down the southern border? Do you understand the scope of that undertaking alone?

 

[healthmyths]

Steps for ridding the country of Illegal Aliens:

1. make it a felony to hire an Illegal Alien

2. make it a felony to sell or rent housing to an Illegal Alien

3. make it a felony to sell or lease a vehicle to an Illegal Alien

4. make it a felony for a bank or other financial institution to open or maintain an account for an Illegal Alien

5. make it a felony to provide an Illegal Alien with money-wire-transfer services

6. make it a felony to provide Currency Exchange -type services for an Illegal Alien

7. make it a felony to provide taxpayer-funded welfare or social services to an Illegal Alien

8. make it a felony to provide educational services to an Illegal Alien

9. make it a felony to provide medical services to an Illegal Alien (except for emergency life-saving or contagion spread-prevention measures)

10. modify all State and Federal drivers licenses and government ID cards to indicate Citizenship status

11. invest heavily in technology infrastructure to make "e-Verify" -like online citizenship verification available more broadly, beyond the realm of pre-employment screening

12. require an e-Verify query for every existing employee currently holding a job in the United States

13. metaphorically-legally "crucify" employers who violate related hiring laws.

14. declare Sanctuary Cities to be engaged in conspiracy to violate US Immigration Law

15. de-fund Sanctuary Cities at the Federal and State level until they rescind their Sanctuary status.

16. arrest the Mayors and City Councils of any Sanctuary Cities that do not rescind Sanctuary status and prosecute and convict them of conspiring to violate US Immigration Law, unless they rescind Sanctuary status

17. put teeth into these laws, to punish violators on a graduated or escalating scale, with chronic offenders getting hammered in criminal court; prison time and huge fines.

===========================================

Or some-such more draconian approach, plus or minus a bit, in areas where existing law or judicial rulings or practicalities dictate a tweak here-and-there.

Then watch these Illegal Aliens fall all over each other, scrambling to get the hell out of the United States, at the speed of light, on their own dime, and without the US Government having to spend a single dime on capture and detention and deportation.

A wall isn't the answer. A so-called path-to-citizenship isn't the answer.

Self-Deportation is the answer.

Creating (legal) conditions sufficiently hostile to Illegal Aliens, to make them want to leave, on their own, and to send a clear message across the border, that fun-time is over, and that there's not point in trying, in future.

We already have about 3,000,000 people in overcrowded prisons and another 2 million on parole/probation. Basically the population of Houston and the surrounding area.

Is there an upper limit to where you say perhaps we have too many laws?

PS: Self-Deportation won't work. Its a lot like saying that if you take away the croutons from the salad bar, people will stop going there.

PS... Self-Deportation won't work if we continue to give them food, shelter, "sanctuary cities"!
No other country lets "illegal immigrants" stick around and give them food,shelter,money!

Now I do agree with you we do have too many laws...many totally duplicative and could be eliminated.
The simple approach is just enforce the current laws and DON"T let "sanctuary cities" exist.... which is one activity Obama has allowed that encourages illegals!

 

[candycorn]

Are all officials who enforce federal law now called "storm troopers" by the radical left?

No....but it is hilarious that the same folks who are applauding Trump wanting to hire 3X DHS agents are the ones who constantly sing the praises of the NRA; and the NRA called these people "Jack Booted Thugs".

 

[candycorn]

Steps for ridding the country of Illegal Aliens:

1. make it a felony to hire an Illegal Alien

2. make it a felony to sell or rent housing to an Illegal Alien

3. make it a felony to sell or lease a vehicle to an Illegal Alien

4. make it a felony for a bank or other financial institution to open or maintain an account for an Illegal Alien

5. make it a felony to provide an Illegal Alien with money-wire-transfer services

6. make it a felony to provide Currency Exchange -type services for an Illegal Alien

7. make it a felony to provide taxpayer-funded welfare or social services to an Illegal Alien

8. make it a felony to provide educational services to an Illegal Alien

9. make it a felony to provide medical services to an Illegal Alien (except for emergency life-saving or contagion spread-prevention measures)

10. modify all State and Federal drivers licenses and government ID cards to indicate Citizenship status

11. invest heavily in technology infrastructure to make "e-Verify" -like online citizenship verification available more broadly, beyond the realm of pre-employment screening

12. require an e-Verify query for every existing employee currently holding a job in the United States

13. metaphorically-legally "crucify" employers who violate related hiring laws.

14. declare Sanctuary Cities to be engaged in conspiracy to violate US Immigration Law

15. de-fund Sanctuary Cities at the Federal and State level until they rescind their Sanctuary status.

16. arrest the Mayors and City Councils of any Sanctuary Cities that do not rescind Sanctuary status and prosecute and convict them of conspiring to violate US Immigration Law, unless they rescind Sanctuary status

17. put teeth into these laws, to punish violators on a graduated or escalating scale, with chronic offenders getting hammered in criminal court; prison time and huge fines.

===========================================

Or some-such more draconian approach, plus or minus a bit, in areas where existing law or judicial rulings or practicalities dictate a tweak here-and-there.

Then watch these Illegal Aliens fall all over each other, scrambling to get the hell out of the United States, at the speed of light, on their own dime, and without the US Government having to spend a single dime on capture and detention and deportation.

A wall isn't the answer. A so-called path-to-citizenship isn't the answer.

Self-Deportation is the answer.

Creating (legal) conditions sufficiently hostile to Illegal Aliens, to make them want to leave, on their own, and to send a clear message across the border, that fun-time is over, and that there's not point in trying, in future.

We already have about 3,000,000 people in overcrowded prisons and another 2 million on parole/probation. Basically the population of Houston and the surrounding area.

Is there an upper limit to where you say perhaps we have too many laws?

PS: Self-Deportation won't work. Its a lot like saying that if you take away the croutons from the salad bar, people will stop going there.

PS... Self-Deportation won't work if we continue to give them food, shelter, "sanctuary cities"!
No other country lets "illegal immigrants" stick around and give them food,shelter,money!

Now I do agree with you we do have too many laws...many totally duplicative and could be eliminated.
The simple approach is just enforce the current laws and DON"T let "sanctuary cities" exist.... which is one activity Obama has allowed that encourages illegals!

I agree with you about sanctuary cities. They were here long before Obama however and will likely be here long after he is gone. What do you want Obama to do; federalize the National Guard to do raids? Congress is to blame for bills that give funding/strip funding.

 

[healthmyths]

...Lets see, we have people claiming there is an immigration crisis where none exists (or has existed) and another guy who wants to drop people "empty handed 500 miles south of the border". I don't suppose it matters if they are from there or not...

Really, if it came down to having people on this message board stay and having the illegal aliens stay....would we really lose anything if the posters were the ones we deport?

Ahhhhhh... another colleague who doesn't like the current mood of the country... tsk, tsk, tsk... enjoy.

It's fine with me. In fact, politically, the GOP is writing a narrative for itself that any Democrat/Liberal would want. Politically, the GOP is nowhere with ethnic minorities and Women. So the front runner of the GOP, when questioned by a woman, says the following day that she must have been on her period; it's great politically for the Dems. That the other GOP contenders basically murmured their disapproval of such idiocy is unbelievable. Then 10 days later, this immigration plan is unveiled by the same front runner, estimated to cost between 100 and 200 billion dollars; has zero chance of working, and relies heavily on overturning the 14th amendment.

If the front runner was, lets say, Mitch McConnell, Michelle Bachman, Paul Ryan, or even any of the other candidates, I'd feel slightly better about it if not a word were changed. Why? Because these people are republicans. I would expect republicans and conservatives to back them.

Donald Trump, 3 months ago, was considered a liberal. He's shown up, insulted some people, and was cheered for it. Maybe I should have expected that. Maybe I was wrong in expecting more from the opposition. Maybe I'm disappointed that the GOP voters could be duped so easily into believing there is a crisis.... Under the supposed lax immigration laws, the US has undergone the greatest growth, the greatest wealth and expansion of wealth the world has ever seen. In this age of immigrant influx, we have had both the highest number of millionaires and the highest number of Nobel prize winners.
We had a housing bubble a while back that sent out banks into a tailspin. That tailspin was handled poorly first by GWB who decided to bail out the banks (not the workers) to the tune of $700B. They paid their executives a shitload of money and then laid off a bunch of workers. Obama came in and did nothing and the banks that were "too big to fail" that necessitated that they be bailed out are still too big to fail. Meanwhile, during the recovery, businesses have discovered that they can just lean on employees to do more because people were afraid of losing their job. Thus hiring has been slowed by the practice. If you don't believe me, consider the speed of service you get when you utilize a business with any large "nose count" of employees. Service has gotten worse and worse and corporations seek to maximize profits.

"But the customers do notice. When you walk into a store, and there is virtually no help, it’s because someone figured out that the company could save X dollars if it cut back the labor budget by 7 percent. When you walk out disgusted and sales go down, the store blames it on the economy or brutal competition. Then the company reacts by having another sale which further erodes profit margins. This cycle eventually results in another failed store."--NY TImes Editorial Page.

Immigration--legal or illegal is not responsible for any of this. Citing the illegal as the cause of:

1. Slow Job Growth
2. A supposed rise in violent crime
3. Over-crowded prisons
4. Short-comings in our educational system

is fun and easy. The truth, however, tells a much different story. I continue to believe that deep down, Americans of all political stripes know the events I laid out above are the true and correct causes of a sluggish economy and that points 2-4 cannot be pinned on immigrants any more than you can blame them for global warming or drought conditions (which I'm sure is coming).

Politically, its great that the GOP once again is quite happily waving goodbye to the women's vote, the Hispanic vote, and they'll eventually get around to further alienating blacks, LGBTs,the poor, and the educated. As an American, it's sad that so many on the right could be duped so easily.

Why would "legal hispanic immigrants" who have done it the right way be against any effort to enforce the laws THEY OBEY???
I've a daughter-in-law who went through the arduous naturalization process and I know her and her fellow "legal immigrants" are really pissed they did it legally
while these "illegals" are deified! Are protected! Are venerated! It is totally out of whack with reality!

People like you encouraging law breaking and all these law breaking illegals are doing is killing people like you potentially!
The parents of Kathryn Steinle, the woman allegedly shot and killed by a Mexican national who had been deported multiple times, expressed support during a televised interview Monday for a proposed law that would require prison time for those who return to the U.S. illegally after being deported.

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