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Basically all I'm saying is it's pretty much a lost cause unless some drastic measures are taken and only a very few (thankfully) support drastic measures. If we can concentrate on illegal felons, Kate's Law that would be a step in the right direction., as for the rest, I don't hold out any hope that our lawmakers, local, State and Federal will ever be able to work together.We won't know until we try.No and don't care since that's not who I'm championing....... Try to stay on track.......And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
It is time we put an end to this mess.
That's why I wrote the thread title! It is NOT necessary to have storm troopers hauling illegals to detention centers and haul them out! ONLY idiots think that!
As I said... All we need to do is NOT make it EASIER for "illegals" i.e. "sanctuary cities"... by every time an "illegal" is found... deport them!
By the way do you really know other then the Governor in Blazing Saddles who Le Pétomane really was???
Good luck with shutting down sanctuary city laws and getting those lawmakers and their supportive law enforcement to comply without resorting to drastic measures. Look at the issue realistically, not idealistically.
I say we try.
So do a very great many other people, by the look of it.
Welcome to the next round in the long-running fight over Illegal Aliens and Anchor Babies.
They are? Guess the people who elected them don't share the blame........It is the only choice we have. They are the only ones responsible for it.Yeah, that nest of self serving contentious vipers will actually be able to do something about it......Yes i understand it. Having said that it is not my job to solve it. That is the job our elected officials are paid to do with our taxes. In fact the security of our nation should be their top priority and an open border is unacceptableUummmmm, well our growth and expansion phase is long over with so we no longer need your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...........I don't know.And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.
What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.
How do you plan on locking down the southern border? Do you understand the scope of that undertaking alone?
No they don't.They are? Guess the people who elected them don't share the blame........It is the only choice we have. They are the only ones responsible for it.Yeah, that nest of self serving contentious vipers will actually be able to do something about it......Yes i understand it. Having said that it is not my job to solve it. That is the job our elected officials are paid to do with our taxes. In fact the security of our nation should be their top priority and an open border is unacceptableUummmmm, well our growth and expansion phase is long over with so we no longer need your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...........I don't know.
What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.
How do you plan on locking down the southern border? Do you understand the scope of that undertaking alone?
Godwin's Law. You lose.Nazicons are out in full force.
Good point.Storm troopers knocked down that door to deport that little boy back to Cuba under Reno.
So there is precedence for it.
1. your opinion labeling it a Lost Cause is just that; one not shared by many of your countrymen....Basically all I'm saying is it's pretty much a lost cause unless some drastic measures are taken and only a very few (thankfully) support drastic measures...
The underlying dynamic is changing rapidly... stay tuned....If we can concentrate on illegal felons, Kate's Law that would be a step in the right direction., as for the rest, I don't hold out any hope that our lawmakers, local, State and Federal will ever be able to work together.
Seeing that about 90% of illegals are from Mexico and points south, yes, those go 500 miles south of our border. Those from other countries... well, we could send them home and seize assets from US accounts from their home countries to pay the costs plus fines. I bet these countries would have planes and ships stacked up waiting to transport their citizens home.
Lets see, we have people claiming there is an immigration crisis where none exists (or has existed) and another guy who wants to drop people "empty handed 500 miles south of the border". I don't suppose it matters if they are from there or not...
Really, if it came down to having people on this message board stay and having the illegal aliens stay....would we really lose anything if the posters were the ones we deport?
typical lame ass response. When the Libs run out of arguments, they play the Nazi card.What kind of lame ass response is that?Nazicons are out in full force.
I'll be your Huckleberry.....
I am most definitely in favor of kicking in doors, demanding ID on the streets, going through the records of every employer, etc.... to ACTIVELY seek out and remove these people and their families from this country. As well as confiscating all property and monies they didn't bring into the country with them.
I've heard that before. From both sides........1. your opinion labeling it a Lost Cause is just that; one not shared by many of your countrymen....Basically all I'm saying is it's pretty much a lost cause unless some drastic measures are taken and only a very few (thankfully) support drastic measures...
2. to some, anything that sends Illegal Aliens back across the border constitute 'drastic measures'.
3. to make omelettes, ya gotta break a few eggs
The underlying dynamic is changing rapidly... stay tuned....If we can concentrate on illegal felons, Kate's Law that would be a step in the right direction., as for the rest, I don't hold out any hope that our lawmakers, local, State and Federal will ever be able to work together.
I don't disagree but then realty raises it's ugly head.........No they don't.They are? Guess the people who elected them don't share the blame........It is the only choice we have. They are the only ones responsible for it.Yeah, that nest of self serving contentious vipers will actually be able to do something about it......Yes i understand it. Having said that it is not my job to solve it. That is the job our elected officials are paid to do with our taxes. In fact the security of our nation should be their top priority and an open border is unacceptableUummmmm, well our growth and expansion phase is long over with so we no longer need your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...........
How do you plan on locking down the southern border? Do you understand the scope of that undertaking alone?
Regardless of why you or I vote for someone they are first and foremost obligation is to the laws of our nation.
Oh, for goodness sake, must we go through this grade-school exercise?...If Jose or Maria want a job, or a house, or a car, or a bank account, etc., etc., etc., they merely show their ID Card indicating US Citizenship, and/or undergo an eVerify -type query to a centralized database, just like anybody else with a different name or a different ethnic heritage. I'm curious what is meant by "different"....different than what?
Nope....The point is (which has the added benefit of being the truth) that if a Hispanic and a Caucasian show up and have similar skills for the same opening today, there is a built in bias that the Hispanic may have fraudulent papers allowing him to pass e-verify. You admit that above...
The Devil is in the details....If you tell the employer that he will face a jail stretch if he hires an illegal alien, is there a chance in hell that he will risk it by hiring the Hispanic?...
Then Juanita continues in her employment, with the employer reporting the discrepancy to ICE; the employer's 'due diligence' having been fulfilled. We can even build-in that control so that employers cannot fire an existing employee because of an 'incomplete' return, pending a re-query or an ICE investigation outcome. Problem solved....If, when they run the background checks on their current employees, and there is incomplete records for Juanita in Accounting and the employer is facing a jail stretch if Juanita is still employed there when the "jack booted thugs" show up....what do you think the odds are that Juanita will be employed there? About zero...
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The point is (which has the added benefit of being the truth) that if a Hispanic and a Caucasian show up and have similar skills for the same opening today, there is a built in bias that the Hispanic may have fraudulent papers allowing him to pass e-verify. You admit that above.
If you tell the employer that he will face a jail stretch if he hires an illegal alien, is there a chance in hell that he will risk it by hiring the Hispanic?
If, when they run the background checks on their current employees, and there is incomplete records for Juanita in Accounting and the employer is facing a jail stretch if Juanita is still employed there when the "jack booted thugs" show up....what do you think the odds are that Juanita will be employed there? About zero.
As for the rest of the post....I don't know what you mean by "different"...
Here is what you wrote:
If Jose or Maria want a job, or a house, or a car, or a bank account, etc., etc., etc., they merely show their ID Card indicating US Citizenship, and/or undergo an eVerify -type query to a centralized database, just like anybody else with a different name or a different ethnic heritage.
I'm curious what is meant by "different"....different than what?
It would be simple. Just cut off finding to any cities or state that refuses to enforce the law.Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.
BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!
So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!
Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!
Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.
THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!
But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
Yeah, all the pro open borders as holes I vent ridiculous time and cost estimates to justify doing nothing. It's their standard sleazy modus operandi.And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.
BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!
So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!
Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!
Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.
THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!
But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
It is time we put an end to this mess.
Are all officials who enforce federal law now called "storm troopers" by the radical left? Try settling in any other country in the world without a visa or a passport and collecting taxpayer welfare and having your kids educated and obtaining a freaking drivers license. As soon as you were tracked down in France or Germany or Norway you would be in jail pending a one way ticket. Why should the USA be any different? It should be noted that the same hypocrites who applauded FDR's decision not to allow Jews who fled the Nazis during WW2 into the U.S. because our immigration was full now want to open the borders to any criminal.
Why should we wait until then, so they can become voters?I don't know.And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.
BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!
So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!
Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!
Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.
THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!
But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
It is time we put an end to this mess.
What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.
Our growth and expansion phase is over only because liberal turds like you have done every thing you can to kill it.Uummmmm, well our growth and expansion phase is long over with so we no longer need your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...........I don't know.And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.
BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!
So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!
Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!
Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.
THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!
But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
It is time we put an end to this mess.
What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.
How do you plan on locking down the southern border? Do you understand the scope of that undertaking alone?
