What idiot thinks the answer is to roundup the 20 million illegals and deport them all?

Are all officials who enforce federal law now called "storm troopers" by the radical left?
No....but it is hilarious that the same folks who are applauding Trump wanting to hire 3X DHS agents are the ones who constantly sing the praises of the NRA; and the NRA called these people "Jack Booted Thugs".
They don't call immigration agents "jack booted thugs," moron. That moniker is reserved for agents of the BATF, or similar federal law enforcement agencies.

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Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.

It is time we put an end to this mess.
And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.
I don't know.

What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.
Uummmmm, well our growth and expansion phase is long over with so we no longer need your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...........
How do you plan on locking down the southern border? Do you understand the scope of that undertaking alone?
Our growth and expansion phase is over only because liberal turds like you have done every thing you can to kill it.

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NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!
Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
It would be simple. Just cut off finding to any cities or state that refuses to enforce the law.

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Ya have to have someone that is willing to do that and won't be blocked by congress. Good luck.
 
NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!
Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.

It is time we put an end to this mess.
And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.
I don't know.

What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.
Why should we wait until then, so they can become voters?

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Why? Do you want them to become voters?
 
NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!
Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.

It is time we put an end to this mess.
And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.
Yeah, all the pro open borders as holes I vent ridiculous time and cost estimates to justify doing nothing. It's their standard sleazy modus operandi.
Are all officials who enforce federal law now called "storm troopers" by the radical left? Try settling in any other country in the world without a visa or a passport and collecting taxpayer welfare and having your kids educated and obtaining a freaking drivers license. As soon as you were tracked down in France or Germany or Norway you would be in jail pending a one way ticket. Why should the USA be any different? It should be noted that the same hypocrites who applauded FDR's decision not to allow Jews who fled the Nazis during WW2 into the U.S. because our immigration was full now want to open the borders to any criminal.


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I guess it's 5 o'clock somewhere....... :eusa_whistle:
 
Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.

It is time we put an end to this mess.
And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.
I don't know.

What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.
Why should we wait until then, so they can become voters?

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Why? Do you want them to become voters?
No. You do.

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If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.

It is time we put an end to this mess.
And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.
I don't know.

What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.
Why should we wait until then, so they can become voters?

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Why? Do you want them to become voters?
No. You do.

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Sure thing rdean...... Oh wait. What was your name again?

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It really doesn't have to be effective or inexpensive. It just has to be publicized. Break down a couple thousand doors of people known to be illegal aliens and toss them empty handed 500 miles south of the border and tens of thousands will be packing up and leaving on their own. If the flow south slows, break down another 500 doors, scoop up and drop off another thousand well south of the border and PUBLICIZE it.
Pretty soon they will get the idea that it makes more sense to go back to where they came from voluntarily with some or most of their possessions than to be dropped off in the desert.

How do you know they are Mexican and how do you prove that to the Mexican government?
 
NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!
Funny but there are those who consider themselves conservatives and would use "storm trooper" tactics if they had their way.
Getting our politicians to actually make law enforcement in areas that are against deportation would be an enormous task in and of itself. To start we need to make sure all illegal felons we find are deported then jailed if they return.
If they are illegal i honestly would have no problem with harsh tactics. Send a damn message for once. Obviously human rights can not be abused but having your door kicked in because you're harboring criminals is not a human rights violation.

It is time we put an end to this mess.
And how do you plan on doing that? It's already been estimated that it would take 20 years and as much as $600 billion to accomplish and that is after we build a Berlin type wall all along the southern border.
I don't know.

What i think we need to do is LOCK DOWN our southern border. AFTER it is secure we can discuss how to handle the ones here but not until then.
Why should we wait until then, so they can become voters?

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Because stemming the flow of illegals xrossing the border is far more important than an endless argument about what to do with the ones here. Having that argument first will just encourage more to come when they hear the lefts position.

Stop talking about all of it. Lock down the border & then discuss what to do with the ones here.
 
Right.... simply enforce the existing laws instead of ignoring existing laws!

-Musa Salah Abdelaziz Abdalla, 34, of Sudan, who has had multiple arrests for assault in Texas and Arizona. Abdalla violated probation three times and was sentenced to 13 months in prison in June 2014.
Last month, he was released from prison and turned over to ICE officials,
who then released him into the public on the same day claiming they could not locate travel documents proving his citizenship in Sudan.

-Dennis Valerievitch Tsoukanov, 33, of Russia, who along with two accomplices, kidnapped, beat and stabbed a police informant before pouring gasoline on him and setting him on fire in 2001.
After testifying against his accomplices, he was given a 13-year sentence. Tsoukanov was released on Dec. 21, 2014, and turned over to ICE.
He was released last month after ICE once again could not locate his travel documents.


– Nasser Hanna Hermez, 46, of Iraq, was charged with second-degree murder of his 7-week-old daughter in 2009. He pleaded guilty to negligent homicide and received a six-month prison sentence and three years’ probation. He was arrested in April for burglary, and sentenced to another two years’ probation. ICE released Hermez, citing his status as a legal permanent resident.

That’s only a snapshot. We have more than 360,000 criminal illegals in the United States – that we know about.
Here Are Three of the Criminal Aliens Being Released Into Our Neighborhoods | www.independentsentinel.com
 
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Lets see, we have people claiming there is an immigration crisis where none exists (or has existed) and another guy who wants to drop people "empty handed 500 miles south of the border". I don't suppose it matters if they are from there or not...

Really, if it came down to having people on this message board stay and having the illegal aliens stay....would we really lose anything if the posters were the ones we deport?
Seeing that about 90% of illegals are from Mexico and points south, yes, those go 500 miles south of our border. Those from other countries... well, we could send them home and seize assets from US accounts from their home countries to pay the costs plus fines. I bet these countries would have planes and ships stacked up waiting to transport their citizens home.

Sure because obviously all illegal aliens are living in Beverly Hills with money to burn.

Churchill's quote is great but he could have set the barometer at 30 seconds for some of you.
Please reread what I said. I said seize assets from their home countries. If a Danish citizen is found to be here illegally, ship his ass home and seize costs plus a civil judgement from the US accounts of Denmark.
 
Right.... simply enforce the existing laws instead of ignoring existing laws!

-Musa Salah Abdelaziz Abdalla, 34, of Sudan, who has had multiple arrests for assault in Texas and Arizona. Abdalla violated probation three times and was sentenced to 13 months in prison in June 2014.
Last month, he was released from prison and turned over to ICE officials,
who then released him into the public on the same day claiming they could not locate travel documents proving his citizenship in Sudan.

-Dennis Valerievitch Tsoukanov, 33, of Russia, who along with two accomplices, kidnapped, beat and stabbed a police informant before pouring gasoline on him and setting him on fire in 2001.
After testifying against his accomplices, he was given a 13-year sentence. Tsoukanov was released on Dec. 21, 2014, and turned over to ICE.
He was released last month after ICE once again could not locate his travel documents.


– Nasser Hanna Hermez, 46, of Iraq, was charged with second-degree murder of his 7-week-old daughter in 2009. He pleaded guilty to negligent homicide and received a six-month prison sentence and three years’ probation. He was arrested in April for burglary, and sentenced to another two years’ probation. ICE released Hermez, citing his status as a legal permanent resident.

That’s only a snapshot. We have more than 360,000 criminal illegals in the United States – that we know about.
Here Are Three of the Criminal Aliens Being Released Into Our Neighborhoods | www.independentsentinel.com
Weeeelllll let's see here....... The problem with the ones you listed seems to be document related and I would hazard a guess that it's part of the law. Soooo, that looks a lot less like non-enforcement and a whole lot like technicality........ Sounds like the typical government snafu where one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing.
Basically it looks like certain "loopholes" may need to be closed.
Oh and the Hermez thing, do you have valid documentation showing he's not a legal permanent resident?
And I wouldn't want to be in Tsoukanov's shoes...... Sounds like Russian Mafia........ He's probably no longer living........ And I bet it wasn't a quick or pleasant death........
 
The fact that we're considering deportation in any way is sickening to me. Especially these pro lifers who love sending new born babies back to impoverished areas in Mexico.

My wife is of the opinion that illegals should not be deported. They should be given 90 days to leave on their own. After that, they should simply be rounded up en masse and shot.
 
...Lets see, we have people claiming there is an immigration crisis where none exists (or has existed) and another guy who wants to drop people "empty handed 500 miles south of the border". I don't suppose it matters if they are from there or not...

Really, if it came down to having people on this message board stay and having the illegal aliens stay....would we really lose anything if the posters were the ones we deport?
Ahhhhhh... another colleague who doesn't like the current mood of the country... tsk, tsk, tsk... enjoy.

It's fine with me. In fact, politically, the GOP is writing a narrative for itself that any Democrat/Liberal would want. Politically, the GOP is nowhere with ethnic minorities and Women. So the front runner of the GOP, when questioned by a woman, says the following day that she must have been on her period; it's great politically for the Dems. That the other GOP contenders basically murmured their disapproval of such idiocy is unbelievable. Then 10 days later, this immigration plan is unveiled by the same front runner, estimated to cost between 100 and 200 billion dollars; has zero chance of working, and relies heavily on overturning the 14th amendment.

If the front runner was, lets say, Mitch McConnell, Michelle Bachman, Paul Ryan, or even any of the other candidates, I'd feel slightly better about it if not a word were changed. Why? Because these people are republicans. I would expect republicans and conservatives to back them.

Donald Trump, 3 months ago, was considered a liberal. He's shown up, insulted some people, and was cheered for it. Maybe I should have expected that. Maybe I was wrong in expecting more from the opposition. Maybe I'm disappointed that the GOP voters could be duped so easily into believing there is a crisis.... Under the supposed lax immigration laws, the US has undergone the greatest growth, the greatest wealth and expansion of wealth the world has ever seen. In this age of immigrant influx, we have had both the highest number of millionaires and the highest number of Nobel prize winners.
We had a housing bubble a while back that sent out banks into a tailspin. That tailspin was handled poorly first by GWB who decided to bail out the banks (not the workers) to the tune of $700B. They paid their executives a shitload of money and then laid off a bunch of workers. Obama came in and did nothing and the banks that were "too big to fail" that necessitated that they be bailed out are still too big to fail. Meanwhile, during the recovery, businesses have discovered that they can just lean on employees to do more because people were afraid of losing their job. Thus hiring has been slowed by the practice. If you don't believe me, consider the speed of service you get when you utilize a business with any large "nose count" of employees. Service has gotten worse and worse and corporations seek to maximize profits.

"But the customers do notice. When you walk into a store, and there is virtually no help, it’s because someone figured out that the company could save X dollars if it cut back the labor budget by 7 percent. When you walk out disgusted and sales go down, the store blames it on the economy or brutal competition. Then the company reacts by having another sale which further erodes profit margins. This cycle eventually results in another failed store."--NY TImes Editorial Page.

Immigration--legal or illegal is not responsible for any of this. Citing the illegal as the cause of:
  1. Slow Job Growth
  2. A supposed rise in violent crime
  3. Over-crowded prisons
  4. Short-comings in our educational system
is fun and easy. The truth, however, tells a much different story. I continue to believe that deep down, Americans of all political stripes know the events I laid out above are the true and correct causes of a sluggish economy and that points 2-4 cannot be pinned on immigrants any more than you can blame them for global warming or drought conditions (which I'm sure is coming).

Politically, its great that the GOP once again is quite happily waving goodbye to the women's vote, the Hispanic vote, and they'll eventually get around to further alienating blacks, LGBTs,the poor, and the educated. As an American, it's sad that so many on the right could be duped so easily.

Why would "legal hispanic immigrants" who have done it the right way be against any effort to enforce the laws THEY OBEY???
I've a daughter-in-law who went through the arduous naturalization process and I know her and her fellow "legal immigrants" are really pissed they did it legally
while these "illegals" are deified! Are protected! Are venerated! It is totally out of whack with reality!

People like you encouraging law breaking and all these law breaking illegals are doing is killing people like you potentially!
The parents of Kathryn Steinle, the woman allegedly shot and killed by a Mexican national who had been deported multiple times, expressed support during a televised interview Monday for a proposed law that would require prison time for those who return to the U.S. illegally after being deported.

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I work with several (legal) immigrants, and I am married to another. ALL of them hate illegal aliens with a passion! One dude I work with has a simple solution. He's even more extreme than my wife...he says, and I quote, "Shoot the fuckers."
 
Are all officials who enforce federal law now called "storm troopers" by the radical left?
No....but it is hilarious that the same folks who are applauding Trump wanting to hire 3X DHS agents are the ones who constantly sing the praises of the NRA; and the NRA called these people "Jack Booted Thugs".
They don't call immigration agents "jack booted thugs," moron. That moniker is reserved for agents of the BATF, or similar federal law enforcement agencies.

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DHS is that "similar federal law enforcement agency. You do know that INS is part of the DHS....don't you dumb dumb?
 
NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!
Libs think of false choices. Roundup not needed. Illegal? No job...no benefits. Go home. Reapply legally.
 
Are all officials who enforce federal law now called "storm troopers" by the radical left?
No....but it is hilarious that the same folks who are applauding Trump wanting to hire 3X DHS agents are the ones who constantly sing the praises of the NRA; and the NRA called these people "Jack Booted Thugs".
They don't call immigration agents "jack booted thugs," moron. That moniker is reserved for agents of the BATF, or similar federal law enforcement agencies.

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DHS is that "similar federal law enforcement agency. You do know that INS is part of the DHS....don't you dumb dumb?

ICE is a law enforcement agency. DHS isn't. dumbfuck.
 
Are all officials who enforce federal law now called "storm troopers" by the radical left?
No....but it is hilarious that the same folks who are applauding Trump wanting to hire 3X DHS agents are the ones who constantly sing the praises of the NRA; and the NRA called these people "Jack Booted Thugs".
They don't call immigration agents "jack booted thugs," moron. That moniker is reserved for agents of the BATF, or similar federal law enforcement agencies.

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DHS is that "similar federal law enforcement agency. You do know that INS is part of the DHS....don't you dumb dumb?

ICE is a law enforcement agency. DHS isn't. dumbfuck.

So DHS agents raiding a bunch of hispanics is a noble cause.
ATF agents raiding a bunch of white guys keeping kids hostage=jack booted thugs.

Racism 101 ladies and gentlemen.
 
anything easy isn't worth doing. Easy has gotten us in this mess thanks to mostly the libs.
 

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