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Bullshit. If you think you can overturn the 2nd amendment, you're even more delusional than you appear. Good luck asshole.
Second Amendment is about Militias. Done.
But Joe, the Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that it protects MORE than just a militia.
I mean, you can't deny the facts right??
NO, I'd like to end all murder.
Getting rid of guns solves 90% of the problem, mostly because it's a lot easier to shoot someone than to beat them to death with your fists.
To look at life through rose colored glasses,all the time. No it would not ,not even close.You want to end murder,you have to look WAY past guns.
We'd eliminate 60% of them. That would work for me.
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But how will that help?
When eliminating the 60% of guns, would you expect the law abiding citizens to turn in their firearms or the murdering gang members who don't obey the law? I mean, lets approach this logically!
Second Amendment is about Militias. Done.
But Joe, the Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that it protects MORE than just a militia.
I mean, you can't deny the facts right??
Actually, the Supreme COurt has said no such thing.
US v. Miller, they found a right to regulate personal firearms. ANd even though the truly awful Heller decision rolled that back, even Scalia had to do handstands to explain why you can't have that howitzer in your backyard.
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But how will that help?
When eliminating the 60% of guns, would you expect the law abiding citizens to turn in their firearms or the murdering gang members who don't obey the law? I mean, lets approach this logically!
logically, most gun murders are domestic disputes.
80% of murders, the victim knows his or her killer.
This really, really isn't complicated.
Sorry, to many people are paying the price for your bad decisions. I'm sure the 26 Sandy Hook parents really wish that Nancy Lanza wasn't making that decision for herself and her Zombie son.
"My" bad decisions ? Again, you're deciding the issue based on your lumping of all gun owners into one group.
Millions of times a day, guns are used in America, with only the occasional tragedy.
If you don't like guns, then don't own one.
32,000 gun deaths and 78,000 gun injuries a year isn't "occassional'. It's a fucking pandemic.
Shit, we recall baby toys for one accident!
i dont know what is worse....gun nuts or anti gunners...but personally i am sick of all of yal.....both groups need to remember the ussc continues to uphold my right to protect myself....
but damn these dueling threads
How do countries in Europe with very few guns avoid tyranny if guns are needed?
How do they avoid tyranny? Is that an actual question?
Come on man.
Why do we need guns if they don't?
How do countries in Europe with very few guns avoid tyranny if guns are needed?
How do they avoid tyranny? Is that an actual question?
Come on man.
Why do we need guns if they don't?
How do they avoid tyranny? Is that an actual question?
Come on man.
Why do we need guns if they don't?
Are you operating under the false assumption that there are no guns in the UK?
BTW the UK has a much higher violent crime rate than we do and according to their procedure a death is not called a murder unless there is a conviction.
How do they avoid tyranny? Is that an actual question?
Come on man.
Why do we need guns if they don't?
But are you saying that we should model all of our laws based on what the Europeans do? I don't think that's the way we should handle things. Also note that you're never going to get rid of guns in America, they will always be there. There exists over 250,000,000 of them.
The only question is which scenario do you want:
1.) Government and criminals to have access to guns
2.) Government, criminals, and law abiding citizens to have access to guns
if you're going to use simple logic I'm going to choose option #2. Why wouldn't you?
Why do we need guns if they don't?
Are you operating under the false assumption that there are no guns in the UK?
BTW the UK has a much higher violent crime rate than we do and according to their procedure a death is not called a murder unless there is a conviction.
I always wonder - too - is that if you strip guns away from everyone (theoretically speaking of course), is the 'playing field' now equalized? I mean, what is to protect a single female living in a bad area (or just in general)?
Can a woman fight off a fully grown man with a knife? When a woman calls the cops what are the odds she will not have been raped - or worse - in the 10 minutes it takes for the authorities to arrive?
Is it easier for MEN to say (sure get rid of guns) because they know they will always have a one-up physically and can at least compete with any potential intruders?
The American Revolution would have never been possible if the colonists weren't allowed to own guns. We'd have been crushed by the British. We would still be reporting to a king today.
I sure most people - gun controllers and gun holders - can agree with that fact, right?
Why do we need guns if they don't?
But are you saying that we should model all of our laws based on what the Europeans do? I don't think that's the way we should handle things. Also note that you're never going to get rid of guns in America, they will always be there. There exists over 250,000,000 of them.
The only question is which scenario do you want:
1.) Government and criminals to have access to guns
2.) Government, criminals, and law abiding citizens to have access to guns
if you're going to use simple logic I'm going to choose option #2. Why wouldn't you?
I don't see how that answers the question. We are discussing if we need guns to fend off tyranny and the government. If we do, why is it so many other countries do not?
Are you operating under the false assumption that there are no guns in the UK?
BTW the UK has a much higher violent crime rate than we do and according to their procedure a death is not called a murder unless there is a conviction.
I always wonder - too - is that if you strip guns away from everyone (theoretically speaking of course), is the 'playing field' now equalized? I mean, what is to protect a single female living in a bad area (or just in general)?
Can a woman fight off a fully grown man with a knife? When a woman calls the cops what are the odds she will not have been raped - or worse - in the 10 minutes it takes for the authorities to arrive?
Is it easier for MEN to say (sure get rid of guns) because they know they will always have a one-up physically and can at least compete with any potential intruders?
Don't these women have neighbors? I certainly wouldn't sit back and let somebody be attacked. Other countries with strict gun laws have less violent crime.
The American Revolution would have never been possible if the colonists weren't allowed to own guns. We'd have been crushed by the British. We would still be reporting to a king today.
I sure most people - gun controllers and gun holders - can agree with that fact, right?
Back then the military and citizens had similar arms. Now they are not slightly comparable.
But are you saying that we should model all of our laws based on what the Europeans do? I don't think that's the way we should handle things. Also note that you're never going to get rid of guns in America, they will always be there. There exists over 250,000,000 of them.
The only question is which scenario do you want:
1.) Government and criminals to have access to guns
2.) Government, criminals, and law abiding citizens to have access to guns
if you're going to use simple logic I'm going to choose option #2. Why wouldn't you?
I don't see how that answers the question. We are discussing if we need guns to fend off tyranny and the government. If we do, why is it so many other countries do not?
But I'm saying what do you mean? There are revolutions going on EVERYWHERE - as we speak - that involve oppressive governments trying to subdue an armed population (ie take a look at Syria).
What do you mean by "so many other countries do not"?
Oppressive governments ACTIVELY exist everywhere, lol. I'm confused, dude. Even in first world countries like Germany we saw a government fly out of control in a matter of about a decade. There are examples everywhere.
Why do we need guns if they don't?
But are you saying that we should model all of our laws based on what the Europeans do? I don't think that's the way we should handle things. Also note that you're never going to get rid of guns in America, they will always be there. There exists over 250,000,000 of them.
The only question is which scenario do you want:
1.) Government and criminals to have access to guns
2.) Government, criminals, and law abiding citizens to have access to guns
if you're going to use simple logic I'm going to choose option #2. Why wouldn't you?
I don't see how that answers the question. We are discussing if we need guns to fend off tyranny and the government. If we do, why is it so many other countries do not?
