What if she didn't have a gun?

[Brain357]

Do you honestly think background checks for ALL gun sales will stop criminals from getting access to guns and or using them in a crime?

It would make it much harder for criminals to get guns if combined with registering all guns.

You have evidence to that effect?

Other countries do it and our own machine gun laws have worked incredibly well.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well, nutbags are.

But frankly, I'm a lot more worried about the kind of idiot who thinks he can protect himself from tanks with a rifle.

I laugh at the idiots that don't understand why tanks don't go into cities without infantry escorts.

Yeah, right.... Ummmm... sorry, dude, Tanks still beat handguns.

Missiles beat handguns.

Drones beat handguns.

And when the government comes for you nutters and your guns, your neighbors will be cheering them on because you were scaring their children.

Which explains why people use Molotov cocktails instead of handguns against tanks.

It also explains why Assad so easily destroyed the rebels who didn't have tanks, missiles, or drones.

Wait, it doesn't.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

She had no way of knowing whether they had a gun or not. Grabbing your gun when there is already one at your head would normally get you killed.

Not grabbing your gun is going to help you how, exactly?

If it was a gun he would have shot her. Not grabbing gun and she'd just lose her money. She was very lucky he didn't have a gun. But again seems weird anyone would go for their gun when there is one at their head...

Because two guys that trap a young woman in a dark, out of the way, area would never consider doing anything more than stealing the $20 bucks she has in her wallet.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It would make it much harder for criminals to get guns if combined with registering all guns.

You have evidence to that effect?

Other countries do it and our own machine gun laws have worked incredibly well.

In other words, no you don't have any evidence.

I can buy and sell fully automatic weapons and I actually own two of them. Do you know how easy it is to convert a semi-automatic to a fully automatic?

Other countries do not have a 2nd Amendment that protects the individuals right to bear arms.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Things like this never happen, but I still think we should have the right to carry a gun.

Ashley Marie Hurd, 26, a driver for Domino’s Pizza, took the order to a house on the 200 block of Stuart Avenue about 10 p.m., a police report said.
When she arrived, a man was standing outside, and she told him how much the bill was, said Lt. Todd Joyce, Fayetteville police spokesman.
As she was doing so, Joyce said, a second man, wearing a dark-colored jacket, came around from the side of the house.

The man put something to the back of Hurd’s head and demanded money, Joyce said.



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Would-be victim delivering pizza thwarts would-be robbery with her concealed weapon « Hot Air

I am wondering why an elected public official can't use correct English grammar. And, in fact, it seems more often than not, those who are gun crazy are often to some extent or another either uneducated or illiterate, or both.

I am wondering why you never remark about Obama's grammatical mistakes.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And if you really want to make a comparison to cars... car owners have to be tested, licensed, registered and insured.

Another example. This winter i bought a cold remedy that is sometimes used by people who watched too many episodes of "Breaking Bad" to make meth, and lo and behold, the store made damned sure I was who I said I was and cross-checked with a state registry to make sure I wasn't stockpiling the stuff.

And they let anyone who wants one walk in and buy one without a background check.

 

[Brain357]

You have evidence to that effect?

Other countries do it and our own machine gun laws have worked incredibly well.

In other words, no you don't have any evidence.

I can buy and sell fully automatic weapons and I actually own two of them. Do you know how easy it is to convert a semi-automatic to a fully automatic?

Other countries do not have a 2nd Amendment that protects the individuals right to bear arms.

Are you a criminal? If not everything you said was mostly pointless. You continue to be clueless.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And if you really want to make a comparison to cars... car owners have to be tested, licensed, registered and insured.

Another example. This winter i bought a cold remedy that is sometimes used by people who watched too many episodes of "Breaking Bad" to make meth, and lo and behold, the store made damned sure I was who I said I was and cross-checked with a state registry to make sure I wasn't stockpiling the stuff.

They make this same argument over and over again trying to compare gun ownership to cars. And they over and over again ignore that fact of how closely and thoroughly regulated cars are as compared to guns. There is very little regulation regarding guns. There is very serious and thorough regulation regarding cars.

Drugs are dangerous and also highly regulated. The truth is, the only lethal and extremely dangerous item in our society that is not highly regulated is the gun, an item whose sole purpose is to kill. It's crazy.

Actually, cars are much less regulated than guns. Anyone, no matter how old they are, can legally buy a car. They don't check your ID, see if you are crazy, or even if you have a criminal record. On top of that, even if you were convicted of a crime that involved a car, you can still get one.

But, please, keep showing everyone how ignorant you are.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Things like this never happen, but I still think we should have the right to carry a gun.

Would-be victim delivering pizza thwarts would-be robbery with her concealed weapon « Hot Air

I am wondering why an elected public official can't use correct English grammar. And, in fact, it seems more often than not, those who are gun crazy are often to some extent or another either uneducated or illiterate, or both.

I am wondering why you never remark about Obama's grammatical mistakes.

You mean like when he said "corpse man" when it was corpsman?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Other countries do it and our own machine gun laws have worked incredibly well.

In other words, no you don't have any evidence.

I can buy and sell fully automatic weapons and I actually own two of them. Do you know how easy it is to convert a semi-automatic to a fully automatic?

Other countries do not have a 2nd Amendment that protects the individuals right to bear arms.

Are you a criminal? If not everything you said was mostly pointless. You continue to be clueless.

It's not my fault you aren't intelligent enough to understand.

I asked for evidence you offer none. You point to other countries that doesn't enjoy the constitutional freedoms that we do, so therefore there is no comparison and then you go off about machine guns which is nothing more than a strawman argument and not relevant to the discussion about background checks.

 

[Brain357]

In other words, no you don't have any evidence.

I can buy and sell fully automatic weapons and I actually own two of them. Do you know how easy it is to convert a semi-automatic to a fully automatic?

Other countries do not have a 2nd Amendment that protects the individuals right to bear arms.

Are you a criminal? If not everything you said was mostly pointless. You continue to be clueless.

It's not my fault you aren't intelligent enough to understand.

I asked for evidence you offer none. You point to other countries that doesn't enjoy the constitutional freedoms that we do, so therefore there is no comparison and then you go off about machine guns which is nothing more than a strawman argument and not relevant to the discussion about background checks.

Unless your a criminal, you having a machine gun means nothing. The goal is to keep guns from criminals. I don't see a lot of crimes committed with them.

Background checks have stopped over a million sales to criminals. Once we register guns and make it so all sales need a background check there will be even more stopped.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Are you a criminal? If not everything you said was mostly pointless. You continue to be clueless.

It's not my fault you aren't intelligent enough to understand.

I asked for evidence you offer none. You point to other countries that doesn't enjoy the constitutional freedoms that we do, so therefore there is no comparison and then you go off about machine guns which is nothing more than a strawman argument and not relevant to the discussion about background checks.

Unless your a criminal, you having a machine gun means nothing. The goal is to keep guns from criminals. I don't see a lot of crimes committed with them.

Background checks have stopped over a million sales to criminals. Once we register guns and make it so all sales need a background check there will be even more stopped.

You're the one that brought up machine guns as if there was some relevance and now you admit that there isn't. Make up your mind!

"Background checks have stopped over a million sales to criminals."

And your proof is?

"Once we register guns and make it so all sales need a background check there will be even more stopped"

Mere speculation.

You are aware that firearms only account for 8 percent of violent crime. Aren't you?

Weapons Used in Violent Crimes

Weapon Used -- Rape -- Robbery -- Assault --Total
Gun -- 9.5% -- 20.0% -- 11.0% -- 12.7%
Knife -- 10.7% -- 16.7% -- 8.5% -- 10.1%
Other -- 4.1% -- 10.0% -- 12.9% -- 12.1%
Unknown Weapon -- 1.1% -- 2.4% -- 1.7% -- 1.8%
None -- 63.9% -- 39.7% -- 59.3% -- 55.8%
Don't Know -- 10.7% -- 11.2% -- 6.5% -- 7.5%

 

[Brain357]

It's not my fault you aren't intelligent enough to understand.

I asked for evidence you offer none. You point to other countries that doesn't enjoy the constitutional freedoms that we do, so therefore there is no comparison and then you go off about machine guns which is nothing more than a strawman argument and not relevant to the discussion about background checks.

Unless your a criminal, you having a machine gun means nothing. The goal is to keep guns from criminals. I don't see a lot of crimes committed with them.

Background checks have stopped over a million sales to criminals. Once we register guns and make it so all sales need a background check there will be even more stopped.

You're the one that brought up machine guns as if there was some relevance and now you admit that there isn't. Make up your mind!

"Background checks have stopped over a million sales to criminals."

And your proof is?

"Once we register guns and make it so all sales need a background check there will be even more stopped"

Mere speculation.

You are aware that firearms only account for 8 percent of violent crime. Aren't you?

Weapons Used in Violent Crimes

Weapon Used -- Rape -- Robbery -- Assault --Total
Gun -- 9.5% -- 20.0% -- 11.0% -- 12.7%
Knife -- 10.7% -- 16.7% -- 8.5% -- 10.1%
Other -- 4.1% -- 10.0% -- 12.9% -- 12.1%
Unknown Weapon -- 1.1% -- 2.4% -- 1.7% -- 1.8%
None -- 63.9% -- 39.7% -- 59.3% -- 55.8%
Don't Know -- 10.7% -- 11.2% -- 6.5% -- 7.5%

No I admitted that your clueless. How does your owning a machine gun show that our laws don't keep them from criminals? That would be true if you are a criminal. Are you? Wait you lie constantly so I guess your responses don't matter.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No I admitted that your clueless. How does your owning a machine gun show that our laws don't keep them from criminals? That would be true if you are a criminal. Are you? Wait you lie constantly so I guess your responses don't matter.

I have no doubt that outlawing guns would be every bit as effective as outlawing cocaine has been....

Standard Disclaimer: Lampposts have risen up in protest to my comparison of leftists. Quoth one lamppost "claiming that leftists are stupid as a fucking lamppost is patently offensive; whether engaged in sex or not, lampposts are vastly brighter than leftists."

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Unless your a criminal, you having a machine gun means nothing. The goal is to keep guns from criminals. I don't see a lot of crimes committed with them.

Background checks have stopped over a million sales to criminals. Once we register guns and make it so all sales need a background check there will be even more stopped.

You're the one that brought up machine guns as if there was some relevance and now you admit that there isn't. Make up your mind!

"Background checks have stopped over a million sales to criminals."

And your proof is?

"Once we register guns and make it so all sales need a background check there will be even more stopped"

Mere speculation.

You are aware that firearms only account for 8 percent of violent crime. Aren't you?

Weapons Used in Violent Crimes

Weapon Used -- Rape -- Robbery -- Assault --Total
Gun -- 9.5% -- 20.0% -- 11.0% -- 12.7%
Knife -- 10.7% -- 16.7% -- 8.5% -- 10.1%
Other -- 4.1% -- 10.0% -- 12.9% -- 12.1%
Unknown Weapon -- 1.1% -- 2.4% -- 1.7% -- 1.8%
None -- 63.9% -- 39.7% -- 59.3% -- 55.8%
Don't Know -- 10.7% -- 11.2% -- 6.5% -- 7.5%

No I admitted that your clueless. How does your owning a machine gun show that our laws don't keep them from criminals? That would be true if you are a criminal. Are you? Wait you lie constantly so I guess your responses don't matter.

Hahahahahahahaha wow!!

Way to duck and weave when faced with facts.

Still hung up on "machine guns" that you first brought up and then admitted it wasn't relevant.


Of the 32 firearms (21.8 percent of the total) submitted in homicide cases, there were 24 (75.0 percent) handguns, 3 (9.0 percent) rifles, 4 (13.0 percent) shotguns, and 1 (3.0 percent) machine gun (submachine gun).

Of the 51 firearms (34.7 percent of the total) identified as being used in drug trafficking crimes, there were 47 (92.0 percent) handguns, 2 (4.0 percent) rifles, and 2 (4.0 percent) machine guns (submachine guns).
Firearms Used in Drug

Of the 6 firearms (4.0 percent of the total) identified as being related to street gang crimes, 5 (83.3 percent) were handguns and 1 (16.7 percent)was a machine gun (submachine gun).

Source:

Now this shows that the laws do not in fact keep machine guns away from criminals.

I'll concede that a fully automatic weapon is the least popular choice for criminals, but the point is the law doesn't prevent criminals from having them, the truth is the most common weapon among criminals is a handgun and that makes much more sense since they are a lot easier to conceal.

 

[Brain357]

No I admitted that your clueless. How does your owning a machine gun show that our laws don't keep them from criminals? That would be true if you are a criminal. Are you? Wait you lie constantly so I guess your responses don't matter.

I have no doubt that outlawing guns would be every bit as effective as outlawing cocaine has been....

Standard Disclaimer: Lampposts have risen up in protest to my comparison of leftists. Quoth one lamppost "claiming that leftists are stupid as a fucking lamppost is patently offensive; whether engaged in sex or not, lampposts are vastly brighter than leftists."

The fight against cocaine will be more effective as soon as it's used as a weapon to kill people. Right now it just hurts the dummy using it. Really not comparable.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Are you a criminal? If not everything you said was mostly pointless. You continue to be clueless.

It's not my fault you aren't intelligent enough to understand.

I asked for evidence you offer none. You point to other countries that doesn't enjoy the constitutional freedoms that we do, so therefore there is no comparison and then you go off about machine guns which is nothing more than a strawman argument and not relevant to the discussion about background checks.

Unless your a criminal, you having a machine gun means nothing. The goal is to keep guns from criminals. I don't see a lot of crimes committed with them.

Background checks have stopped over a million sales to criminals. Once we register guns and make it so all sales need a background check there will be even more stopped.

I love how people make absurd claims and think they proves something.

 

[TruthSeeker56]

Things like this never happen, but I still think we should have the right to carry a gun.

Ashley Marie Hurd, 26, a driver for Domino’s Pizza, took the order to a house on the 200 block of Stuart Avenue about 10 p.m., a police report said.
When she arrived, a man was standing outside, and she told him how much the bill was, said Lt. Todd Joyce, Fayetteville police spokesman.
As she was doing so, Joyce said, a second man, wearing a dark-colored jacket, came around from the side of the house.

The man put something to the back of Hurd’s head and demanded money, Joyce said.

​

Would-be victim delivering pizza thwarts would-be robbery with her concealed weapon « Hot Air

Some liberals would rather die than carry a gun.

Any names? Addresses?

 

[Brain357]

It's not my fault you aren't intelligent enough to understand.

I asked for evidence you offer none. You point to other countries that doesn't enjoy the constitutional freedoms that we do, so therefore there is no comparison and then you go off about machine guns which is nothing more than a strawman argument and not relevant to the discussion about background checks.

Unless your a criminal, you having a machine gun means nothing. The goal is to keep guns from criminals. I don't see a lot of crimes committed with them.

Background checks have stopped over a million sales to criminals. Once we register guns and make it so all sales need a background check there will be even more stopped.

I love how people make absurd claims and think they proves something.

What is an absurd claim?

 

[Brain357]

You're the one that brought up machine guns as if there was some relevance and now you admit that there isn't. Make up your mind!

"Background checks have stopped over a million sales to criminals."

And your proof is?

"Once we register guns and make it so all sales need a background check there will be even more stopped"

Mere speculation.

You are aware that firearms only account for 8 percent of violent crime. Aren't you?

Weapons Used in Violent Crimes

Weapon Used -- Rape -- Robbery -- Assault --Total
Gun -- 9.5% -- 20.0% -- 11.0% -- 12.7%
Knife -- 10.7% -- 16.7% -- 8.5% -- 10.1%
Other -- 4.1% -- 10.0% -- 12.9% -- 12.1%
Unknown Weapon -- 1.1% -- 2.4% -- 1.7% -- 1.8%
None -- 63.9% -- 39.7% -- 59.3% -- 55.8%
Don't Know -- 10.7% -- 11.2% -- 6.5% -- 7.5%

No I admitted that your clueless. How does your owning a machine gun show that our laws don't keep them from criminals? That would be true if you are a criminal. Are you? Wait you lie constantly so I guess your responses don't matter.

Hahahahahahahaha wow!!

Way to duck and weave when faced with facts.

Still hung up on "machine guns" that you first brought up and then admitted it wasn't relevant.


Of the 32 firearms (21.8 percent of the total) submitted in homicide cases, there were 24 (75.0 percent) handguns, 3 (9.0 percent) rifles, 4 (13.0 percent) shotguns, and 1 (3.0 percent) machine gun (submachine gun).

Of the 51 firearms (34.7 percent of the total) identified as being used in drug trafficking crimes, there were 47 (92.0 percent) handguns, 2 (4.0 percent) rifles, and 2 (4.0 percent) machine guns (submachine guns).
Firearms Used in Drug

Of the 6 firearms (4.0 percent of the total) identified as being related to street gang crimes, 5 (83.3 percent) were handguns and 1 (16.7 percent)was a machine gun (submachine gun).

Source:

Now this shows that the laws do not in fact keep machine guns away from criminals.

I'll concede that a fully automatic weapon is the least popular choice for criminals, but the point is the law doesn't prevent criminals from having them, the truth is the most common weapon among criminals is a handgun and that makes much more sense since they are a lot easier to conceal.

That shows that they are very seldom used in crimes. Thanks for the support.