Seriously, you never wondered about this? Why didn't god just ensure that they became immortal. The entire dying and abuse thing was unnecessary.
And if Hitler committed genocide on the jews and then followed it up with an amazing act of grace and mercy, claiming that he loved them all along, wouldn't your opinion be that he is insane?
N-, I've decided you are a troll...your posts are full of holes and hypothetical scenarios....simple as that
You know, that's a first. Most of the time, even those I have frustrated with rational arguments at least acknowledge that I have been fair and my arguments are reasonable. That's why many people with whom I have had intense disputes and with whom I still have profound disagreements, both politically and theologically, I have no personal animosity toward. I have had positive reps from people on some issue, even though we had a contentious argument over another topic. And I likewise, hold respect for those who disagree with me, as long as they stay within the boundaries of civil debate, and rep them when strong arguments are presented (even arguments with which I disagree).
But you have quickly stooped to mudslinging here. The other argument which you and I had was not even intended to be an argument. I simply was trying to help you understand, broaden your horizons about an argument you were making that is widely regarded as ineffective and seriously flawed. It was for your benefit.
And in the case in which you quoted here, the relevance of my comments is plainly obvious. First of all, the question of why an all-powerful being would find it necessary to use pain, torture, and death to forgive sin is a legitimate logical obstacle to christian theology.
The comment about insanity was reference to the hitler/god comparison that was taking place in the posts I quoted originally. The bible is full of passages where god orders the genocide of gentiles. Yet, then he sends his son to "save" and forgive all people, including all the gentiles, who he has always loved. If these actions were done by a human figure, like hitler, isn't it fair to say his actions would be perceived as contradictory? Since the bible is regarded as true among many christians, and the fact that god loves us and sent jesus in an act of mercy is also regarded as true, then the contradictory nature of god's actions is a legitimate question.
If you have trouble answering legitimate questions and viewing rational debate objectively, that does not indicate that "I" am a troll. Asking difficult questions does not make one a troll. If I made outrageous claims or insults- perhaps you could justify that label. But my arguments are sound, I am willing to engage in discussion, and I make every effort to avoid attacking opponents rather than attacking their arguments. A consideration you have obviously failed to extend to me as evidenced by this post you have made.
Please, point out the "holes" in my arguments. That's debate at its best. It strengthens your credibility and helps me by making me aware of possible pespectives I have not considered. I do not ignore criticism, as a troll does. I embrace it, consider it, and either change my position or defend my position. I think you would be better served doing likewise- even if it's not so simple.
The "holes" in your argument are conjectures. You make up hypothetical scenarios based on absolutely nothing. There is nothing to support your claim that God is a bastard of a God. You're basing your entire opinion on a hypothetical personality.
Second, your talking down to me as if I'm not smart enough to understand what you're talking about. "It's for my own good?" lol. Hardly...
Even Socrates understood that we all don't know jack-shit about anything. You, on the other hand, act as if you've got it all figured out and want to spread your knowledge of God and religion, or lack there of...
The fact is, you're arguing hypotheticals with NO sources. I simply answered a question.
What if athiests are right? Then we all rot in a box or in the ground, or whatever.
Then I countered a quesiton..."What if athiests are wrong?" ANSWER: Whether God is bastard of a God(No sources to even suggest so--keeping in mind that the destructions of life in the Bible were punishments for wrong-doing) or not, Athiests will still be in trouble. All sources of faith suggest that God WANTS you to believe in him, therefore, whether he's mean or not will not matter...the fact that Athiests don't believe will inevitable put them on his shit list.
Your "wisdom" is baseless...
I don't typically stoop to mudslinging when someone has a VALID argument...it's when people start pulling bull-shit out of their ass and passing it off as if it has a sturdy ground to sit on.
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