What is meant by the accusation Trump has violated norms?

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Independence and Accountability at the Department of Justice

I. Independence from the President

For those who believe in a unitary executive, DOJ/FBI independence is a constitutional solecism. On this view, Article II vests the “executive power” in the President alone, and he alone wields it. That means that the President can do what he likes with his Executive branch subordinates—hire them, fire them, ignore them, order them to act in certain ways, and the like. The presidential authority to direct and control an administration is especially clear with respect to law enforcement and national security, the story goes, since the President himself has a constitutional duty to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” and is the “Commander in Chief.”

This is a nice theory. Sometimes (though not often) I wish that it were so. But the theory has been repudiated in law, and especially in practice, for a long time. There are far too many examples to cover, but here are a few relevant ones. The President can generally fire his political appointees at will, though the Supreme Court has long upheld certain statutory limitations on the President’s removal power (including in the context of the Clinton-era independent counsel statute). The FBI Director’s ten-year term—through which Congress signaled that the Director has independence from electoral politics—raises the political stakes for a President who fires an FBI Director mid-term, as President Trump learned last year. And career civil servants below these senior political appointees (like just-retired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe) have extensive legal protections against presidential firing.

Those are the main “legal” guarantees of DOJ/FBI independence. They are very few, and they are not the most important. The most important guarantees of DOJ/FBI come not from the Constitution or statutes, but from norms and practices that since Watergate have emerged within the Executive branch.

Every presidency since Watergate has embraced policies for preserving DOJ and FBI independence from the President in certain law enforcement and intelligence matters.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/articl...text=The DOJ IG has a,Congress why he does so.

Then came Trump, the violator of accepted norms. The number of corrupt violations with respect to independence of the DoJ are too numerous to recite. Some notable ones are Comey's firing, having Cohen sent back to prison because Mike refused to stop writing a book about Trump, using the DoJ to advance his coup plot, and telling Geoffrey Berman's office to go after Don's political enemies.

The Orange Menace's Project 2025 has laid out in fairly granular detail how he intends to violate established norms with respect to the DoJ in more egregious, dangerous ways.
 
Independence and Accountability at the Department of Justice

I. Independence from the President

For those who believe in a unitary executive, DOJ/FBI independence is a constitutional solecism. On this view, Article II vests the “executive power” in the President alone, and he alone wields it. That means that the President can do what he likes with his Executive branch subordinates—hire them, fire them, ignore them, order them to act in certain ways, and the like. The presidential authority to direct and control an administration is especially clear with respect to law enforcement and national security, the story goes, since the President himself has a constitutional duty to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” and is the “Commander in Chief.”

This is a nice theory. Sometimes (though not often) I wish that it were so. But the theory has been repudiated in law, and especially in practice, for a long time. There are far too many examples to cover, but here are a few relevant ones. The President can generally fire his political appointees at will, though the Supreme Court has long upheld certain statutory limitations on the President’s removal power (including in the context of the Clinton-era independent counsel statute). The FBI Director’s ten-year term—through which Congress signaled that the Director has independence from electoral politics—raises the political stakes for a President who fires an FBI Director mid-term, as President Trump learned last year. And career civil servants below these senior political appointees (like just-retired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe) have extensive legal protections against presidential firing.

Those are the main “legal” guarantees of DOJ/FBI independence. They are very few, and they are not the most important. The most important guarantees of DOJ/FBI come not from the Constitution or statutes, but from norms and practices that since Watergate have emerged within the Executive branch.

Every presidency since Watergate has embraced policies for preserving DOJ and FBI independence from the President in certain law enforcement and intelligence matters.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/articl...text=The DOJ IG has a,Congress why he does so.

Then came Trump, the violator of accepted norms. The number of corrupt violations with respect to independence of the DoJ are too numerous to recite. Some notable ones are Comey's firing, having Cohen sent back to prison because Mike refused to stop writing a book about Trump, using the DoJ to advance his coup plot, and telling Geoffrey Berman's office to go after Don's political enemies.

The Orange Menace's Project 2025 has laid out in fairly granular detail how he intends to violate established norms with respect to the DoJ in more egregious, dangerous ways.
It means he has violated the norms of running for office when he is not a career politician and for calling out bias media. This is not allowed, especialy if he defeats a Clinton.
 
More GASLIGHT THEATRE BULLSHIT from the demented LEFT.
The NORMS being SHATTERED by the unfettered HATRED of these Stalinist Marxist Leninist ASSHOLES is the introduction of Soviet LAWFARE of an incumbent administration trying to PUT IN PRISON their political opponents.
This wretched BULLSHIT is NOT and has NEVER BEEN normal in the United States of America.
Shit stains like the OP TDS foamer are going to cause Civil War 2.0.....
 
It means he has violated the norms of running for office when he is not a career politician and for calling out bias media. This is not allowed, especialy if he defeats a Clinton.
Well, you kinda glossed over how he corrupted the DoJ. And how he has openly said he will go after his perceived enemies.

The FBI Director’s ten-year term—through which Congress signaled that the Director has independence from electoral politics—raises the political stakes for a President who fires an FBI Director mid-term, as President Trump learned last year.

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President Trump told Russian officials last week that he had fired the "nut job" FBI Director James Comey to ease the pressure of the mounting investigation into his campaign's ties to Russia, according to a report from The New York Times.

"I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job," Trump told the Russian foreign minister and U.S. ambassador on May 10 during an Oval Office meeting, according to a transcript of the meeting read to The Times by a U.S. official. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

 
Independence and Accountability at the Department of Justice

I. Independence from the President

For those who believe in a unitary executive, DOJ/FBI independence is a constitutional solecism. On this view, Article II vests the “executive power” in the President alone, and he alone wields it. That means that the President can do what he likes with his Executive branch subordinates—hire them, fire them, ignore them, order them to act in certain ways, and the like. The presidential authority to direct and control an administration is especially clear with respect to law enforcement and national security, the story goes, since the President himself has a constitutional duty to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” and is the “Commander in Chief.”

This is a nice theory. Sometimes (though not often) I wish that it were so. But the theory has been repudiated in law, and especially in practice, for a long time. There are far too many examples to cover, but here are a few relevant ones. The President can generally fire his political appointees at will, though the Supreme Court has long upheld certain statutory limitations on the President’s removal power (including in the context of the Clinton-era independent counsel statute). The FBI Director’s ten-year term—through which Congress signaled that the Director has independence from electoral politics—raises the political stakes for a President who fires an FBI Director mid-term, as President Trump learned last year. And career civil servants below these senior political appointees (like just-retired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe) have extensive legal protections against presidential firing.

Those are the main “legal” guarantees of DOJ/FBI independence. They are very few, and they are not the most important. The most important guarantees of DOJ/FBI come not from the Constitution or statutes, but from norms and practices that since Watergate have emerged within the Executive branch.

Every presidency since Watergate has embraced policies for preserving DOJ and FBI independence from the President in certain law enforcement and intelligence matters.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/articl...text=The DOJ IG has a,Congress why he does so.

Then came Trump, the violator of accepted norms. The number of corrupt violations with respect to independence of the DoJ are too numerous to recite. Some notable ones are Comey's firing, having Cohen sent back to prison because Mike refused to stop writing a book about Trump, using the DoJ to advance his coup plot, and telling Geoffrey Berman's office to go after Don's political enemies.

The Orange Menace's Project 2025 has laid out in fairly granular detail how he intends to violate established norms with respect to the DoJ in more egregious, dangerous ways.

Trump has repeated his claim that the constitution can be suspended since he's got his butt in a sling. Criminals always attack the justice system and rule of law . That's standard.
 
Trump has repeated his claim that the constitution can be suspended since he's got his butt in a sling. Criminals always attack the justice system and rule of law . That's standard.

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”​

― Carl Sandburg
 
Well, you kinda glossed over how he corrupted the DoJ. And how he has openly said he will go after his perceived enemies.

The FBI Director’s ten-year term—through which Congress signaled that the Director has independence from electoral politics—raises the political stakes for a President who fires an FBI Director mid-term, as President Trump learned last year.

........................................................................................................................................................................................

President Trump told Russian officials last week that he had fired the "nut job" FBI Director James Comey to ease the pressure of the mounting investigation into his campaign's ties to Russia, according to a report from The New York Times.

"I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job," Trump told the Russian foreign minister and U.S. ambassador on May 10 during an Oval Office meeting, according to a transcript of the meeting read to The Times by a U.S. official. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."


Will your system not let you out of the far-left echo chamber?
 

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”​

― Carl Sandburg

Trump said, "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution," Trump wrote on Truth Social on December 3, 2022. "Our great 'Founder' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!
 
Trump said, "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution," Trump wrote on Truth Social on December 3, 2022. "Our great 'Founder' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!

You are for False and Fraudulent Elections?

Not shocked.
 
Independence and Accountability at the Department of Justice

I. Independence from the President

For those who believe in a unitary executive, DOJ/FBI independence is a constitutional solecism. On this view, Article II vests the “executive power” in the President alone, and he alone wields it. That means that the President can do what he likes with his Executive branch subordinates—hire them, fire them, ignore them, order them to act in certain ways, and the like. The presidential authority to direct and control an administration is especially clear with respect to law enforcement and national security, the story goes, since the President himself has a constitutional duty to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” and is the “Commander in Chief.”

This is a nice theory. Sometimes (though not often) I wish that it were so. But the theory has been repudiated in law, and especially in practice, for a long time. There are far too many examples to cover, but here are a few relevant ones. The President can generally fire his political appointees at will, though the Supreme Court has long upheld certain statutory limitations on the President’s removal power (including in the context of the Clinton-era independent counsel statute). The FBI Director’s ten-year term—through which Congress signaled that the Director has independence from electoral politics—raises the political stakes for a President who fires an FBI Director mid-term, as President Trump learned last year. And career civil servants below these senior political appointees (like just-retired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe) have extensive legal protections against presidential firing.

Those are the main “legal” guarantees of DOJ/FBI independence. They are very few, and they are not the most important. The most important guarantees of DOJ/FBI come not from the Constitution or statutes, but from norms and practices that since Watergate have emerged within the Executive branch.

Every presidency since Watergate has embraced policies for preserving DOJ and FBI independence from the President in certain law enforcement and intelligence matters.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/articl...text=The DOJ IG has a,Congress why he does so.

Then came Trump, the violator of accepted norms. The number of corrupt violations with respect to independence of the DoJ are too numerous to recite. Some notable ones are Comey's firing, having Cohen sent back to prison because Mike refused to stop writing a book about Trump, using the DoJ to advance his coup plot, and telling Geoffrey Berman's office to go after Don's political enemies.

The Orange Menace's Project 2025 has laid out in fairly granular detail how he intends to violate established norms with respect to the DoJ in more egregious, dangerous ways.
Thanks. I needed a laugh to start off the day.
 
It means he has violated the norms of running for office when he is not a career politician and for calling out bias media. This is not allowed, especialy if he defeats a Clinton.

Trump comes from a low class boyhood. His family was crude and vulgar. That violates the norm.

When someone uses the n word you know exactly where they come from.

Mary L. Trump, the former president’s niece, said that she regularly heard her uncle use the n-word and anti-Semitic slurs.
 

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