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What Is The Biggest Drawback Of Atheism?

What does create agency mean?
The ability to derive purpose, and the will to press ones self determination.
I need to believe in god to do those things?

We hav a purpose just like every othe4 animal on the planet.

And I can have the will to press my self determination without god too. Can’t I?
I fucking hope so.
I still don’t get you.

Create agency? Where did you hear that?

And I just proved we hav a purpose without god and we can press our self determination, whatever that even means.

Why are you saying nonsensical things and then end it with you hope so.

So I’m right? Still trying to figure out what you think is sad.

I think what you mean is how sad it must be not to believe that when I die I will become a god myself. Or I’ll burn in hell.

I find both notions preposterous
Sealybobo, no matter how religious we are, Christians do not determine who goes to heaven and who doesn't. God does that because he can look upon the heart. Mere mortals do not have that capacity.

I don't have any case against atheism, except for my experience. I sent my children to public schools, where both my kids - unbeknownst to me - were indoctrinated into atheism by teachers. Our school district did not ask and did not tell if teachers were believers or atheists, and I didn't think it mattered until the following facts hit me directly in the face. My son had already undergone 2 years of university studies that included a "study" of all the world's religions that caused him to believe none of them were valid, including and especially the church we raised him in. I had the misery of seeing my own son curse the church, our beloved and scholarly pastor, and 15 generations of my family's elders who believed in God including several ministers and schoolmarms who were above reproach, and it was an arrow in the back that went directly into my heart as I watched this unhappy diatribe unfold. He already had his bags packed and left directly from the church to go back to the school he had earned a four-year scholarship to in high school. Then when he graduated with two degrees, he left our home and went off for advanced studies with scholarships granted to him in North Carolina that gives free scholarships to one student from each state, and he was it. The next time I heard from him, he was telling me he was gay on my 52nd birthday. I almost fainted. The next time I heard from him he was on his honeymoon with his 4th boyfriend. That meant no grandchildren. I was hoping he would give back to our family an heir for a grandfather who had a photographic memory. It doesn't show up for several generations. The other child also adopted a hatred for the church through her atheism learned at high school. She has divorced herself from her parents who loved and supported her for 18 years. Her present to us from this hatred of faith was documented by her creating the nastiest scene imaginable on her 18th birthday, at which time she packed and left the next morning, never to return to the family. She scorned us because we would not allow her to live with her drinking friends in school whose parents merely purchased a separate apartment for their child when she was a freshman in high school. She invited my daughter to be her roommate two years before graduation, and we refused because in that state, parents are liable for everything their child does up until the age of 18. The child criticized us constantly for the last 2 years she lived at home. She hated the food, she said. She hated the curfews. She wanted to live with her rich friend who had no restrictions. She hated us for being faithful church members, and said we caused her to hate the church, that everything she loved we wouldn't allow, and she hated our home, which gave her own room, she hated the colors in her bedroom, which we purchased because she said her favorite color was purple, but once she got her bedroom linens of purple, she suddenly changed her mind and it became her most hated color. She left our home, got in trouble with the law through her best friend, who stole a car and crossed two state lines. The car belonged to only one of the girl's many paramours, the one who gave his galpal his wife's car. Now wasn't that special. :rolleyes: Anyway, we got notifications from police in 3 states that my daughter knew where the woman was, but we didn't because the two of them took a joyride to yet another state, and didn't bother to tell us they were leaving since we weren't worth talking to for expecting our daughter to live within the simple rules of living and working for the good of self and others. She trashed every single rule we set, and she has not contacted me in over 7 years, including the year her daddy died, and I had to bury him without her support. She came to town, but defied propriety by badmouthing me and my late husband to anyone who would listen to her crazy speeches about what rotten people her parents were, and how she was better off not ever speaking to us again. I tried to contact her a year after her dad passed, but she returned my pictures of him that she didn't have and my card of love with black marks scribbled with the lie that she had moved and left no address. She has lived her life out rubbing it in how we destroyed her love, etc., etc., etc., by being too strict (we weren't), and a bunch of other false narrative about the badness of people who believe in God. The only time I can really remember anything negative about going to church was the Sunday she was going to wear a pair of jeans with two huge holes in the butt to let people know she didn't have to wear panties under her jeans. All I did was ask her to please wear jeans without holes in them, of which she had many pairs. She was defiant until her dad said something like "Going to the dump?" at which time she started laughing and immediately changed her pants and went to church with her family. I finally figured it out. She had to laugh to comply with dumb stuff parents care about. I didn't think much about it until her appearance on his funeral day to our family, but she stayed out of my sight, and I never got to see her nor years preceding the funeral.

So I figured it out. Atheists are created by people other than family, and they use any little detail of their displeasure against church principles to destroy those who remain true to the principles of loving God and his kingdom. The atheist trashes and throws away human beings he or she can't stand, and I can tell you right now, they can't stand parents who remain in their own church when push comes to shove. Our family will not have an heir who has grandpa's photographic memory through my children. I cry often because my children have built their lives around hating God and churches. It's just part of this generation. I heard some contemporary music at a bar the other night, and the songs they were singing were filled with 4-letter words, just like my daughter's final condemnatory of speech at me several years ago. I was not spared even one iota for my sacrifices in behalf of my daughter, which she has cheerfully forgotten with so much rage and hatred inside her that I never saw coming before the day I told her she couldn't go live with her gal pal with the apartment when she was just about 16 years old. If I had to raise a family again, they would not be going to public schools. The atheist push is too strong because religious parents are so busy serving their community, they have this false sense of belief that teachers share traditional mores. Instead, they prepare young women to have IUDs, knowledge of condoms, and how exciting sex is when they are twelve years old. Sex education was supposed to help curb sexual activities in teenagers. Instead, it got pushed into elementary schools, and venereal diseases have never been more rampant than after education put its bid in to make sure girls don't get pregnant. They weren't talking abortions the parents never hear about when they were shilling sex education for public schools.

In science, instead of learning about God's wonderful universe, they are taught that nothing matters except things that can be proven in a physical way, and that spiritual matters are hocus-pocus and all bad.
I can’t read the entire thing. I get the gist. Don’t blame the schools or atheism. Blame yourself. You raised those children and they rebelled against you and your form of Christianity.

My atheism or agnosticism didn’t stop me from being successful or respectful of my loving parents.

You’re blaming atheism not yourself.
 
Jesus, were he to exist today, would be a Democratic socialist.
His message wasn’t a political message.
Yea well what did he know he was just a man. Like ghandi
24,000 written manuscripts say otherwise.
So what? The Jews disagree. Muslims disagree and atheists aren’t buying it no matter how many manuscripts are written.
Of course they do. So what?

It doesn’t change the fact that his ministry and the miracles he performed were recorded in writing.
No first hand writings of miracles were recorded. Everything written later wasn’t even written by the witnesses. Let’s not start this argument again.

And I’ve seen David copper field walk on water too.
 
So, the question seems to be is whether a comforting myth is preferable to reality.

Well, reality isn't all that clear. Pretty much the only argument that there is no god is the lack of evidence that there is. This is a logical fallacy and proves nothing. So they are all ultimately myths. Might as well pick the myth you find most comforting.
Seems to me the only intellectually honest position on this topic is "I really can't say for sure".
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Certainly. In fact, I would go even further and say the only intellectually honest position is "I haven't got a clue". Still, that doesn't change the nature of humans to fill in the gaps. We really can't help it. So if you are going to fill the gaps you might as well fill them in a way that makes you happy.
Yeah, I certainly understand the draw of religious belief.

As long as the toes of others aren't being stepped on, it's fine with me.
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Since I know many police officers and a few Firemen and plenty of vets I say you're full of shit.
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Many soldiers, policemen and firemen are atheists

Since I know many police officers and a few Firemen and plenty of vets I say you're full of shit.

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by and large ... the phony is rampant on both sides. the vast majority are in denial of any meaningful pursuits.
again no one is going to force you to become a Christian why the bitterness?
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again no one is going to force you to become a Christian why the bitterness?

you are a joke ...

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nothing different today than throughout history, all three desert religions are evil, heretical - your calling.
The irony of the Europeans professing Christianity, is that their own ancestors were in fact slaughtered raped, subjugated, and enslaved into accepting Christianity... While their unaware decendents are carrying water for thier own ancestors nemesis. All the while saying "no one will force you"... Oblivious of the force that was brought to bear, that has them carrying their water....
When was the last time you were faced with accepting Christ or die?
You can't rape the willing...
 
Jesus, were he to exist today, would be a Democratic socialist.
His message wasn’t a political message.
Yea well what did he know he was just a man. Like ghandi
24,000 written manuscripts say otherwise.
So what? The Jews disagree. Muslims disagree and atheists aren’t buying it no matter how many manuscripts are written.
No one has asked you to buy into it. Why are you determined to attack another's faith? You are almost leftist like.

He’s quoting a carpenter from 2000 years ago..

And this thread is a thread attacking atheists, you hypocrite snowflake. Imagine if I started a thread about the drawbacks to theism. Then you’d be on it asking me why I’m attacking your fake ass religion that’s controll8ng your puny political conservative mind.

It’s controlling you with stupidity. If you’ll believe in the jesus myth then you’ll believe anything like man made global warming doesn’t exist
 
The irony of the Europeans professing Christianity, is that their own ancestors were in fact slaughtered raped, subjugated, and enslaved into accepting Christianity... While their unaware decendents are carrying water for thier own ancestors nemesis. All the while saying "no one will force you"... Oblivious of the force that was brought to bear, that has them carrying their water....
SINCE THIS ISN'T Europe and this is the 21st century anything you wrote is irrelevant.
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Again this isn't Europe and this is the 21st century Christians no longer torture no believers in America.
Who cares what the conquerors of our ancestors do? I place my loyalty in the sacrifices of my forbearers. Where does your loyalty lie.. ?
I can't help what happened in the past. All I can do is the present because that is all I have.
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Jesus, were he to exist today, would be a Democratic socialist.
His message wasn’t a political message.
Yea well what did he know he was just a man. Like ghandi
24,000 written manuscripts say otherwise.
So what? The Jews disagree. Muslims disagree and atheists aren’t buying it no matter how many manuscripts are written.
No one has asked you to buy into it. Why are you determined to attack another's faith? You are almost leftist like.
Did you ask this question to the person who started this thread? I bet you didn’t. Double standard?

And at least we vot for theists. You people won’t vote for atheists.

Have we burned you at the stake or ostracized any of you for believing?

Do we make gays feel bad about themselves?

So don’t be a snowflake. This is a Christians fallback defense when we mock your ridiculous beliefs
 
I should talk, but from this fundamental Christian's POV, it's death.

Yet, I've heard...

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I don't know. What do you think?

I'm not positive, but my answer would be death while Christians fear God.

Atheists may look at death like this.

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What the heck, we're all gonna die due to Adam's sin and Satan.

Still, the atheists believe...

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Biggest drawback to atheism - no holidays.
 
So, the question seems to be is whether a comforting myth is preferable to reality.

Well, reality isn't all that clear. Pretty much the only argument that there is no god is the lack of evidence that there is. This is a logical fallacy and proves nothing. So they are all ultimately myths. Might as well pick the myth you find most comforting.
Seems to me the only intellectually honest position on this topic is "I really can't say for sure".
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Certainly. In fact, I would go even further and say the only intellectually honest position is "I haven't got a clue". Still, that doesn't change the nature of humans to fill in the gaps. We really can't help it. So if you are going to fill the gaps you might as well fill them in a way that makes you happy.
Yeah, I certainly understand the draw of religious belief.

As long as the toes of others aren't being stepped on, it's fine with me.
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Exactly. I have no issues at all with anyone's beliefs. Of course, on this site if you want to talk about those beliefs you can't complain when they are questioned. Like the adultery issue.
 
The irony of the Europeans professing Christianity, is that their own ancestors were in fact slaughtered raped, subjugated, and enslaved into accepting Christianity... While their unaware decendents are carrying water for thier own ancestors nemesis. All the while saying "no one will force you"... Oblivious of the force that was brought to bear, that has them carrying their water....
SINCE THIS ISN'T Europe and this is the 21st century anything you wrote is irrelevant.
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Again this isn't Europe and this is the 21st century Christians no longer torture no believers in America.
They have different ways to torture you.....

They give you a self righteous whine about how they are superior to everyone else
When they start to whine like you are doing right now all you have to do is walk away. But you are to hell-bent in attacking someone's belief
Not me starting threads about how bad Christians are
 
I should talk, but from this fundamental Christian's POV, it's death.

Yet, I've heard...

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J. Robert Oppenheimer Father of Atomic Bomb and celebrity atheist

I don't know. What do you think?

I'm not positive, but my answer would be death while Christians fear God.

Atheists may look at death like this.

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What the heck, we're all gonna die due to Adam's sin and Satan.

Still, the atheists believe...

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Biggest drawback to atheism - no holidays.

Why?

We have Christmas when we celebrate Santa’s birthday
 
I should talk, but from this fundamental Christian's POV, it's death.

Yet, I've heard...

View attachment 281452

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J. Robert Oppenheimer Father of Atomic Bomb and celebrity atheist

I don't know. What do you think?

I'm not positive, but my answer would be death while Christians fear God.

Atheists may look at death like this.

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What the heck, we're all gonna die due to Adam's sin and Satan.

Still, the atheists believe...

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Biggest drawback to atheism - no holidays.
Naw, we still get the day off. We just don't have to spend it in church.
 
I should talk, but from this fundamental Christian's POV, it's death.

Yet, I've heard...

View attachment 281452

giphy.gif

J. Robert Oppenheimer Father of Atomic Bomb and celebrity atheist

I don't know. What do you think?

I'm not positive, but my answer would be death while Christians fear God.

Atheists may look at death like this.

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What the heck, we're all gonna die due to Adam's sin and Satan.

Still, the atheists believe...

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Biggest drawback to atheism - no holidays.

Nah. You can pick and choose the ones you like and the ones you don't like. You can alternate between being Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Mexican, American, Canadian and then back to atheist for the holidays you don't like.
 
I should talk, but from this fundamental Christian's POV, it's death.

Yet, I've heard...

View attachment 281452

giphy.gif

J. Robert Oppenheimer Father of Atomic Bomb and celebrity atheist

I don't know. What do you think?

I'm not positive, but my answer would be death while Christians fear God.

Atheists may look at death like this.

giphy.gif

giphy.gif


What the heck, we're all gonna die due to Adam's sin and Satan.

Still, the atheists believe...

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Biggest drawback to atheism - no holidays.
Naw, we still get the day off. We just don't have to spend it in church.

To be fair, neither do most believers.
 
SINCE THIS ISN'T Europe and this is the 21st century anything you wrote is irrelevant.
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Again this isn't Europe and this is the 21st century Christians no longer torture no believers in America.
They have different ways to torture you.....

They give you a self righteous whine about how they are superior to everyone else
When they start to whine like you are doing right now all you have to do is walk away. But you are to hell-bent in attacking someone's belief
Not me starting threads about how bad Christians are

Funny how it does always seem to work out that way.
 
Then 'death' would NOT be atheists' greatest drawback but rather its sttongest point. Death being more 'real'than not goes to show that everything 'done' while alive will be held in accountability.

You're still held responsible with Jesus during the Final Judgement.

Even non believers will have to give an account for the wrong(s) they've done... to self, to others...other lifes... other 'breathing'ones... just as believers will. There is no 'only'one side 'wins'. Each will have to give answers while being questioned to the wrong(s) committed.

It's not one side wins that counts. It's whether or not you make it to heaven in the afterlife. This life is the illusion because one can't take anything from it. If people remember you fondly and remember you afterward, then you probably had a good life, but that's for those still living not the person who died. Thus, while you are living you want to have faith and learn how God made it happen and how he can affect and improve your life. It's up to you to discern the truth. Then, you do not need a materialistic and empirical explanation of how things may have happened in theory. You want to know the truth. That's what the Bible is.
 
I should talk, but from this fundamental Christian's POV, it's death.

Yet, I've heard...

View attachment 281452

giphy.gif

J. Robert Oppenheimer Father of Atomic Bomb and celebrity atheist

I don't know. What do you think?

I'm not positive, but my answer would be death while Christians fear God.

Atheists may look at death like this.

giphy.gif

giphy.gif


What the heck, we're all gonna die due to Adam's sin and Satan.

Still, the atheists believe...

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What Is The Biggest Drawback Of Atheism?

You talk non stop about something you insist doesn't exist?

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I know it appears that way but most atheist never tell anybody they are an atheist. Nobody in my social life knows I am an atheist. You will never see those types of atheist on youtube.

You are referring to anti theist. These are people that think the belief in God is destructive philosophy or at least limiting the progress of the individual and society. I consider myself somewhat of an anti theist. I think atheist make better Christians than believers. I know that might seem like an oxymoron. I just think the Christian community needs thinkers for the 21st and 22nd centuries. Giving a member of the younger generation an evil eye isn't enough to keep them from leaving the faith anymore. You have to convince them to stay. You can do that if you know nothing.
The correct phrase is militant atheist. They are like the evangelicals of atheism.

I’m only pretty sure you are one of them.

I don't know about militant atheist, but my question to vasuderatorrent would be is he secular humanist? He's living a false life, so there's that. I don't think he gets paid for teaching Bible studies.

I am mostly an I don't knowist. I love Christianity. Christians are the salt and the light. There doesn't have to be a lot of salt to fulfill its purpose. There doesn't have to be a lot of light to fulfill its purpose. Christianity has brought a lot of good into the world. Yes. Even those violent wars of the past were good. If there was a liberal Christian denomination that didn't require you to believe any unrealistic stuff then that is what kind of Christian I would be. Christianity is the most powerful philosophy in existence. The Bible is the most powerful and most useful book you will ever read. It is also the most influential book ever written.

I just don't believe Jesus is a bastard child of the creator of the Universe. I don't believe the Hebrews were lucky enough to find the actual creator of the universe. Anything that happened in the Bible that I would disbelieve if you told me it happened to you, I equally disbelieve it happened back then.

I am an atheist of the God of the Bible. I am an atheist of Allah. I am an atheist of Zues. I have too many unexplainable situations in my life to rule out that there isn't a god at all. I just don't think I will ever know Him. I am mostly an I don't knowist and I am more comfortable not knowing it all than I was pretending that I had it all figured out. I honestly never did have it all figured out even though I acted like it.

It doesn't answer my question. Are you for secular humanism?
 
Atheists have it the best in this world

Just do what is right and no need to cower before phony Gods
 
C'mon the Nazis weren't Christian. They ended up following Hitler's Mein Kampf. Religion became subjugated to the state. It put antisemitism as part of its ideology and future political action for Germany. They were inspired by social Darwinism and eugenics which Charles Darwin supported. They promoted socialism, nationalism, and some religions but it was to get the people to agree to Hitler's and his people's fascism, militarism, and antisemitism. Hitler wasn't easy to figure out for his politics and thus his dictatorship was able to come to fruition. Bottom line, he was against Communism and Judaism and for Aryan superiority and leadership. He just placated Christians and Catholics in Germany in order to become its dictator.
 
What Is The Biggest Drawback Of Atheism?

You talk non stop about something you insist doesn't exist?

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I know it appears that way but most atheist never tell anybody they are an atheist. Nobody in my social life knows I am an atheist. You will never see those types of atheist on youtube.

You are referring to anti theist. These are people that think the belief in God is destructive philosophy or at least limiting the progress of the individual and society. I consider myself somewhat of an anti theist. I think atheist make better Christians than believers. I know that might seem like an oxymoron. I just think the Christian community needs thinkers for the 21st and 22nd centuries. Giving a member of the younger generation an evil eye isn't enough to keep them from leaving the faith anymore. You have to convince them to stay. You can do that if you know nothing.
The correct phrase is militant atheist. They are like the evangelicals of atheism.

I’m only pretty sure you are one of them.

I don't know about militant atheist, but my question to vasuderatorrent would be is he secular humanist? He's living a false life, so there's that. I don't think he gets paid for teaching Bible studies.

I am mostly an I don't knowist. I love Christianity. Christians are the salt and the light. There doesn't have to be a lot of salt to fulfill its purpose. There doesn't have to be a lot of light to fulfill its purpose. Christianity has brought a lot of good into the world. Yes. Even those violent wars of the past were good. If there was a liberal Christian denomination that didn't require you to believe any unrealistic stuff then that is what kind of Christian I would be. Christianity is the most powerful philosophy in existence. The Bible is the most powerful and most useful book you will ever read. It is also the most influential book ever written.

I just don't believe Jesus is a bastard child of the creator of the Universe. I don't believe the Hebrews were lucky enough to find the actual creator of the universe. Anything that happened in the Bible that I would disbelieve if you told me it happened to you, I equally disbelieve it happened back then.

I am an atheist of the God of the Bible. I am an atheist of Allah. I am an atheist of Zues. I have too many unexplainable situations in my life to rule out that there isn't a god at all. I just don't think I will ever know Him. I am mostly an I don't knowist and I am more comfortable not knowing it all than I was pretending that I had it all figured out. I honestly never did have it all figured out even though I acted like it.

It doesn't answer my question. Are you for secular humanism?

Secular humanism is absurd.

Do I believe human intellect is the absolute authority? Absolutely not. There has to be a basis of authority if you are to have a functioning society. Some suggest that authority is the Bible. Some suggest that authority is the laws determined by governments. I am ok with either of those views but allowing an arbitrary concept to be authority is chaos.

Without knowing how you define secular humanism I am going to say, "no". A belief that Dr. Seuss books are the ultimate source of authority is a superior idea than the nonsense that human intellect is the ultimate authority. That concept is absurd. We can't have 365 million people making 365 million intellectual decisions about right and wrong. There has to be a basic foundation. This is where the Christian Worldview dominates in the field of sociology, philosophy and law. Secular humanist must offer a source of authority that everyone embraces or it just will not function. You will have people that are tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine.

It will crumble. No, just no. Secular humanism is absurd.
 

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