What IS The Free Market

Those who gain economic power through free markets eventually take over. Hence, robber barons followed by Wall Street and the Fed, etc.

dear, the Fed Chairman is usually a college professor appointed by the president and approved by Congress and supported intellectually by most college economics professors.

The Fed is a private consortium controlled by commercial banks. It also operates independently of the government.

ROFL! Yeah, that's why the President selects all the members of the Fed board and Congress approves them, and that's why the chairman testifies before Congress on a regular basis.

You have a silly notion of what "independent" means.
 
" Free markets are decidedly about distributing economic powerunequally. They allow us to vest the power to direct labor and resources with those who provide us with the goods and services we want and need. It's hard to see that as an inherently bad thing."

The catch is that unequal power counters free markets.

How so? To be clear, I'm talking about economic power, not state power.

Those who gain economic power through free markets eventually take over. Hence, robber barons followed by Wall Street and the Fed, etc.

All of them? Huh? What do you mean 'take over'?

take over - definition of take over by The Free Dictionary

Hence, deregulation from the '80s onward, increased military spending and profits from conflict while keeping the petrodollar propped up, bailouts, and consumer spending.

Sorry, but the idea that corporations commanded any of that is too stupid for words to describe.
 
Free markets and ordinary law and orde
"Material non-public information" would fall under free markets or ordinary law and order?

Maybe. I haven't studied that case, but prosecuted fraud is definitely a proper role for government.
Insider trading is not fraud. It's not even a real crime with a victim.
Depending on what exchange rules they've agreed to, it could definitely be considered fraud.
 
Wages are determined by supply and demand for labor, not the level of corporate profits.
While you cons have the right to your personal opinions, you don't have any right to personal facts
"Depending on the structure and traditions of different economies around the world, wage rates will be influenced by market forces (supply and demand), legislation, and tradition."
Wage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
When Wal-Mart choose to spend 47% of its profits on stock buybacks, that had a profound effect on the wages it paid to its 1.4 million US workers; in fact, the $6.5 billion could have added $4670 per year to each worker's income. Hence, wages are influenced by corporate profits.

Billionaire Hanauer Hammers Stock Buybacks The Nader Page
 
Free markets and ordinary law and orde
"Material non-public information" would fall under free markets or ordinary law and order?

Maybe. I haven't studied that case, but prosecuted fraud is definitely a proper role for government.
Insider trading is not fraud. It's not even a real crime with a victim.
Depending on what exchange rules they've agreed to, it could definitely be considered fraud.

NO, it can't. Insider trading is nothing more than buying or selling a stock simply because you know something. You haven't deceived anyone into buying or selling the stock, so where is the fraud?
 
Wages are determined by supply and demand for labor, not the level of corporate profits.
While you cons have the right to your personal opinions, you don't have any right to personal facts
"Depending on the structure and traditions of different economies around the world, wage rates will be influenced by market forces (supply and demand), legislation, and tradition."
Wage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
When Wal-Mart choose to spend 47% of its profits on stock buybacks, that had a profound effect on the wages it paid to its 1.4 million US workers; in fact, the $6.5 billion could have added $4670 per year to each worker's income. Hence, wages are influenced by corporate profits.

Billionaire Hanauer Hammers Stock Buybacks The Nader Page

That's not a "personal fact." Those are the laws of economics. Of course, as a Marxist you reject the laws of economics, so there's no point in debating the issue with you. Your quote is nothing more than someone's opinion. It proves nothing.
 
Prior to the U.S. revolution, most law existed outside of government. It was called "the common law," and it was developed over time privately.
What's changed since that time with regards to population, technology, and common sense?

What's changed is that Congress intruded on areas that were formerly considered to be the sole responsibility of private society. There is no problem that regulations were supposedly created to solve that can't be dealt with more effectively by the tort system.
 
Wages are determined by supply and demand for labor, not the level of corporate profits.
While you cons have the right to your personal opinions, you don't have any right to personal facts
"Depending on the structure and traditions of different economies around the world, wage rates will be influenced by market forces (supply and demand), legislation, and tradition.

"Market forces are perhaps more dominant in the United States, while tradition, social structure and seniority, perhaps play a greater role in Japan
Nope, that has nothing to do with wages. If the demand for labor was higher then Walmart would have to pay more and it's profit margin would therefore be lower. Wage levels affect profits, and not the other way around.
Supply and demand is only one factor in the determination of wage level. Legislation is another. Government could and should have forced Wall Mart to pay higher wages. Wages and profit influence each other.
 
Free markets and ordinary law and orde
"Material non-public information" would fall under free markets or ordinary law and order?

Maybe. I haven't studied that case, but prosecuted fraud is definitely a proper role for government.
Insider trading is not fraud. It's not even a real crime with a victim.
Depending on what exchange rules they've agreed to, it could definitely be considered fraud.

NO, it can't. Insider trading is nothing more than buying or selling a stock simply because you know something. You haven't deceived anyone into buying or selling the stock, so where is the fraud?
If they buy or sell stock based on exchange rules, or claims from the company, that prohibit insider trading, they have a valid case for fraud.
 
Liberal monopolists? Capitalists ruled the roost, starting with robber barons, then capitalists, and now financial investors in mega-corporations.
"Special Ed" has his own unique understanding of "liberal" and "conservative." Anyone to the left of Mussolini is "liberal". I'm pretty sure he's an embittered Marxist with too much time on his hands.
 
Wages are determined by supply and demand for labor, not the level of corporate profits.
While you cons have the right to your personal opinions, you don't have any right to personal facts
"Depending on the structure and traditions of different economies around the world, wage rates will be influenced by market forces (supply and demand), legislation, and tradition.

"Market forces are perhaps more dominant in the United States, while tradition, social structure and seniority, perhaps play a greater role in Japan
Nope, that has nothing to do with wages. If the demand for labor was higher then Walmart would have to pay more and it's profit margin would therefore be lower. Wage levels affect profits, and not the other way around.
Supply and demand is only one factor in the determination of wage level. Legislation is another. Government could and should have forced Wall Mart to pay higher wages. Wages and profit influence each other.

No, government should not be interfering in any wage agreements. Government should also not be importing millions of low wage workers to compete for American jobs. Why don't you worry about that rather than worrying about how much Walmart (one company) pays its workers?
 
"Material non-public information" would fall under free markets or ordinary law and order?

Maybe. I haven't studied that case, but prosecuted fraud is definitely a proper role for government.
Insider trading is not fraud. It's not even a real crime with a victim.
Depending on what exchange rules they've agreed to, it could definitely be considered fraud.

NO, it can't. Insider trading is nothing more than buying or selling a stock simply because you know something. You haven't deceived anyone into buying or selling the stock, so where is the fraud?
If they buy or sell stock based on exchange rules, or claims from the company, that prohibit insider trading, they have a valid case for fraud.

Companies make no claims about insider trading. You are talking about SEC regulations and not "Exchange rules." The government can prosecute you for insider trading, but that still isn't fraud. Martha Stewart was prosecuted for insider trading, so where did the fraud occur? They certainly didn't charge her with fraud.
 
Fraud is a different concept than regulation and requires only that people don't deliberately misrepresent themselves.
In this case key people appear to have escaped conviction because they were "ignorant" of regulations prohibiting massive levels of systemic fraud by underlings.
"Though never able to charge or even sue founder Steven A. Cohen, the government managed to snare eight current or former employees through guilty pleas and trial convictions. Cohen, 57, who has consistently denied wrongdoing, is the subject of an administrative proceeding by the Securities and Exchange Commission, which claims the billionaire failed to supervise employees to ensure they complied with securities laws."
SAC Record 1.8 Billion Insider Plea Caps 7-Year Probe - Bloomberg Business
 
Fraud is a different concept than regulation and requires only that people don't deliberately misrepresent themselves.
In this case key people appear to have escaped conviction because they were "ignorant" of regulations prohibiting massive levels of systemic fraud by underlings.
"Though never able to charge or even sue founder Steven A. Cohen, the government managed to snare eight current or former employees through guilty pleas and trial convictions. Cohen, 57, who has consistently denied wrongdoing, is the subject of an administrative proceeding by the Securities and Exchange Commission, which claims the billionaire failed to supervise employees to ensure they complied with securities laws."
SAC Record 1.8 Billion Insider Plea Caps 7-Year Probe - Bloomberg Business

Referring to a very complicated SEC prosecution proves nothing. Probably hundreds of charges were file in the case. Where any of them fraud? You're just throwing shit against the wall to see what will stick.
 

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