What is the goal of capitalism?

[Toddsterpatriot]

There are a lot of financial interests behind the greens, just as there are behind the puberty blocker doctors. There's a lot of money behind it. Communists are pro-nuclear. We've been that way since the mid-20th century. We love nuclear energy and if we're not relying on it, we're using fossil fuels or hydroelectric. China is somewhat inclined towards nuclear, but they're an oddball. They're commie only in name, not in practice. China is a pathetic joke when it comes to its communism. There are more people in China going bankrupt with medical bills than here in the US.

Communists are pro-nuclear.

Not the ones in western Europe and the US.

 

[Red Front]

My statement above is a fact, not an opinion. Four million Nazis, invaded the Soviet Union and caused an immense amount of carnage and destruction.

That was awful!
On top of the damage Stalin already did before the war. And the damage Stalin did after the war.

What damage was that? Present your capitalist propaganda here under the dotted line ............................................

 

[Red Front]

Communists are pro-nuclear.

Not the ones in western Europe and the US.

I'm a Western communist. We're not liberals. You're confusing us with democratic socialists and liberals. We're nuclearphiles. We love nuclear energy generation. That's our favorite. Nuclear energy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What damage was that? Present your capitalist propaganda here under the dotted line ............................................

What damage? LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm a Western communist. We're not liberals. You're confusing us with democratic socialists and liberals. We're nuclearphiles. We love nuclear energy generation. That's our favorite. Nuclear energy.

Russia funded the green, anti-nuclear movement starting in the 80s.
It worked.
Lots of western dupes still fear nuclear.

 

[Red Front]

What damage? LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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Tell me about the Great Terror.
What was the Red Army Purge?

 

[Red Front]

Tell me about the Great Terror.
What was the Red Army Purge?

Harpal Brar, the former leader of the communist party in Britain, engaged in a debate with an interviewer on this very issue of the purges. Watch his interview/debate, it's quite informative.

Under Stalin, there were no 5th columns. All agent saboteurs and conspirators were purged from the government.​

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Harpal Brar, the former leader of the communist party in Britain, engaged in a debate with an interviewer on this very issue of the purges. Watch his interview/debate, it's quite informative.

Under Stalin, there were no 5th columns. All agent saboteurs and conspirators were purged from the government.​

So there were no purges?
Or the purges were a good thing?
Break it down for me.

 

[Red Front]

So there were no purges?
Or the purges were a good thing?
Break it down for me.

Watch the debate, it's interesting.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Watch the debate, it's interesting.

Were purges good for the Russian economy?

 

[Mac-7]

We're not libs. They call us fascists and hate our guts. Unlike them, we can define what a woman is. We're scientific materialists.

Ok sorry

Its difficult to keep all you lefties straight

 

[Red Front]

Were purges good for the Russian economy?

They were necessary, so whatever effect they had on the economy is irrelevant. The purges got rid of the rotten agents of the bourgeoisie. It avoided the creation of a well-organized and powerful 5th column within the ranks. After Stalin, there was a 5th column, and that's what led to the dissolution of the USSR in 1991.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They were necessary, so whatever effect they had on the economy is irrelevant. The purges got rid of the rotten agents of the bourgeoisie. It avoided the creation of a 5th column within the ranks.

And when Stalin purged the generals, right before his ally Hitler attacked,
that was a good thing for the army?

 

[Red Front]

And when Stalin purged the generals, right before his ally Hitler attacked,
that was a good thing for the army?

 

[Red Front]

Ok sorry

Its difficult to keep all you lefties straight

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They were necessary, so whatever effect they had on the economy is irrelevant. The purges got rid of the rotten agents of the bourgeoisie. It avoided the creation of a well-organized and powerful 5th column within the ranks. After Stalin, there was a 5th column, and that's what led to the dissolution of the USSR in 1991.

The purges got rid of the rotten agents of the bourgeoisie.

It's hilarious when commies talk like this.

 

[ralfy]

The historical record is crystal clear: socialism and communism do not work anywhere near as successfully as capitalism. The ONLY reason why China and Russia are not total economic basketcases is because they employed many capitalist programs and policies that buoyed their otherwise failed ideology. Some combination of soialism and capitalism is possibly successful but you have to tax the crap out of your citizenry like the nordic countries do. So, if anyone believe we can do that here then have at it - let's see what happens when you go to the voters with a plan to tax EVERYBODY with a 25% VAT and an income tax on top of that for every income bracket.

As explained earlier, capitalism refers to the process by which the means of production are used to manufactured. If the means are owned by private individuals who aren't workers, then it's bourgeois capitalism. If it's owned by workers, then it's a cooperative. If it's owned by the public, then it's state capitalism consisting of public corporations.

Communism refers to the use of only state capitalism, with cooperatives if that's lacking. I think the only two countries that are doing that are Cuba and North Korea.

The per capita GDP of Cuba is around $9,000, or more than twice that of the Philippines, which follows U.S. neoliberalism, while that of North Korea is similar to those of African countries, many of which are not Communist. Meanwhile, from what I remember, the ave. GDP growth rate per annum of North Korea is similar to that of the U.S.

What about China? It shifted to bourgeois capitalism, but with the Communist Party being a major partner, and with restrictions on importation, etc., following what Japan, South Korea, and others did as part of the East Asian Miracle and nationalist economics.

How about Russia? When it followed U.S. advice for shock therapy, i.e., free markets, it fell apart. It recovered only after Putin contained the oligarchs and its economy took off four times faster than that of Ukraine, which was still being manipulated by foreigners and different factions (ultranationalists, U.S.-backed neoliberals, and pro-Russians).

Finally, what about the U.S.? It did very well from the end of WW2 until the 1960s, its so-called "golden age," after which economic growth started to slow down, and then during the 1970s conventional oil production peaked together with real wages, and trade deficits began. "Recovery" took place through Reagan and subsequent Presidents who deregulated the economy, leading to increasing debt needed to cover increasing spending.

Last point: all of these countries follow at least five of the ten planks given by Marx, including public education and graduated income tax. Also, if socialism refers to a wide range of regulations involving social ownership, then all of these countries are also partly socialist, as they need, for example, fiat currencies for more efficient transactions, things like limited liability and private property backed by courts, and public corporations for practical purposes, e.g., for utilities, road networks, and security.

 

[Red Front]

The purges got rid of the rotten agents of the bourgeoisie.

It's hilarious when commies talk like this.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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