What is the republican solution to ending mass shootings? Why don’t they ever offer solutions?

[Skull Pilot]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

Semi-automatic rifle - Wikipedia

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

Over 100 years ago

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

The first semi auto that was largely available to the public was the Marlin Model 60 22 lr. It was introduced in 1962 and quickly became very popular as a first or second rifle for teens. Most of us older people started out with one as our first rifle. And, yes, it is tube fed. You can still buy it. It's still very cheap at about 179 bucks. And it goes on forever.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

The first semi auto that was largely available to the public was the Marlin Model 60 22 lr. It was introduced in 1962 and quickly became very popular as a first or second rifle for teens. Most of us older people started out with one as our first rifle. And, yes, it is tube fed. You can still buy it. It's still very cheap at about 179 bucks. And it goes on forever.

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

Semi-automatic rifle - Wikipedia

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

Over 100 years ago

You can introduce it till your're blue in the face but the fact remains that the first popular civilian produced semi auto was the Marlin Model 60. But there were already a few M-1s floating around but they weren't produced for just civilian use. The Gas Operated Semi Autos rewrote the semi autos in 1937 which the M-1, SKS, AK and the Model 60 is based on. The ones before that were the blow back models and weren't really sought after. You really need to step away from Wiki and get out and live a little, cupcake.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

Semi-automatic rifle - Wikipedia

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

Over 100 years ago

You can introduce it till your're blue in the face but the fact remains that the first popular civilian produced semi auto was the Marlin Model 60. But there were already a few M-1s floating around but they weren't produced for just civilian use. The Gas Operated Semi Autos rewrote the semi autos in 1937 which the M-1, SKS, AK and the Model 60 is based on. The ones before that were the blow back models and weren't really sought after. You really need to step away from Wiki and get out and live a little, cupcake.

the Model 1903 achieved commercial success and continued to be manufactured until 1932 when the Winchester Model 63 replaced it.

Commercial success

You still insist that the world is as YOU say it is

IOW you are fucking delusional

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

The first semi auto that was largely available to the public was the Marlin Model 60 22 lr. It was introduced in 1962 and quickly became very popular as a first or second rifle for teens. Most of us older people started out with one as our first rifle. And, yes, it is tube fed. You can still buy it. It's still very cheap at about 179 bucks. And it goes on forever.

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

And it was a dismal failure since it was the blowback model. The Gas Charge versions didn't come about until 1937 by anyone unless it was belt fed.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

The first semi auto that was largely available to the public was the Marlin Model 60 22 lr. It was introduced in 1962 and quickly became very popular as a first or second rifle for teens. Most of us older people started out with one as our first rifle. And, yes, it is tube fed. You can still buy it. It's still very cheap at about 179 bucks. And it goes on forever.

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

And it was a dismal failure since it was the blowback model. The Gas Charge versions didn't come about until 1937 by anyone unless it was belt fed.

So the fuck what

the FUCKING FACT is that semiautomatic rifles have been available to civilians for over 100 FUCKING YEARS

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

Semi-automatic rifle - Wikipedia

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

Over 100 years ago

You can introduce it till your're blue in the face but the fact remains that the first popular civilian produced semi auto was the Marlin Model 60. But there were already a few M-1s floating around but they weren't produced for just civilian use. The Gas Operated Semi Autos rewrote the semi autos in 1937 which the M-1, SKS, AK and the Model 60 is based on. The ones before that were the blow back models and weren't really sought after. You really need to step away from Wiki and get out and live a little, cupcake.

the Model 1903 achieved commercial success and continued to be manufactured until 1932 when the Winchester Model 63 replaced it.

Commercial success

You still insist that the world is as YOU say it is

IOW you are fucking delusional

You can type real big if you want to but the fact remains, it was a dismal failure because it was just too early. It was a blowback model and didn't work real well. It jammed way too much. The Gas Discharge of the Marlin Model 60 was not possible (it was released in 1962) until the Gas Discharge method was invented in 1937 which many of the modern semi auto rifles of today are based on including the SKS, AK, M-1, M-14 and many others.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

The first semi auto that was largely available to the public was the Marlin Model 60 22 lr. It was introduced in 1962 and quickly became very popular as a first or second rifle for teens. Most of us older people started out with one as our first rifle. And, yes, it is tube fed. You can still buy it. It's still very cheap at about 179 bucks. And it goes on forever.

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

And it was a dismal failure since it was the blowback model. The Gas Charge versions didn't come about until 1937 by anyone unless it was belt fed.

So the fuck what

the FUCKING FACT is that semiautomatic rifles have been available to civilians for over 100 FUCKING YEARS

So what. It can be made available but if it doesn't sell, so what. blowback works terrible. Better to have a pump which many 22lrs were at the time.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

Semi-automatic rifle - Wikipedia

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

Over 100 years ago

You can introduce it till your're blue in the face but the fact remains that the first popular civilian produced semi auto was the Marlin Model 60. But there were already a few M-1s floating around but they weren't produced for just civilian use. The Gas Operated Semi Autos rewrote the semi autos in 1937 which the M-1, SKS, AK and the Model 60 is based on. The ones before that were the blow back models and weren't really sought after. You really need to step away from Wiki and get out and live a little, cupcake.

the Model 1903 achieved commercial success and continued to be manufactured until 1932 when the Winchester Model 63 replaced it.

Commercial success

You still insist that the world is as YOU say it is

IOW you are fucking delusional

You can type real big if you want to but the fact remains, it was a dismal failure because it was just too early. It was a blowback model and didn't work real well. It jammed way too much. The Gas Discharge of the Marlin Model 60 was not possible (it was released in 1962) until the Gas Discharge method was invented in 1937 which many of the modern semi auto rifles of today are based on including the SKS, AK, M-1, M-14 and many others.

Once again just because you say something doesn't make it true

Semiautomatic rifles have been available to the public for over 100 years and nothing you can say or make up can change that fact

 

[Skull Pilot]

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

The first semi auto that was largely available to the public was the Marlin Model 60 22 lr. It was introduced in 1962 and quickly became very popular as a first or second rifle for teens. Most of us older people started out with one as our first rifle. And, yes, it is tube fed. You can still buy it. It's still very cheap at about 179 bucks. And it goes on forever.

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

And it was a dismal failure since it was the blowback model. The Gas Charge versions didn't come about until 1937 by anyone unless it was belt fed.

So the fuck what

the FUCKING FACT is that semiautomatic rifles have been available to civilians for over 100 FUCKING YEARS

So what. It can be made available but if it doesn't sell, so what. blowback works terrible. Better to have a pump which many 22lrs were at the time.

And I am still correct.

Just because the rifles got better in subsequent models is irrelevant and if a rifle was a commercial success by definition it was bought by civilians

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

Semi-automatic rifle - Wikipedia

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

Over 100 years ago

You can introduce it till your're blue in the face but the fact remains that the first popular civilian produced semi auto was the Marlin Model 60. But there were already a few M-1s floating around but they weren't produced for just civilian use. The Gas Operated Semi Autos rewrote the semi autos in 1937 which the M-1, SKS, AK and the Model 60 is based on. The ones before that were the blow back models and weren't really sought after. You really need to step away from Wiki and get out and live a little, cupcake.

the Model 1903 achieved commercial success and continued to be manufactured until 1932 when the Winchester Model 63 replaced it.

Commercial success

You still insist that the world is as YOU say it is

IOW you are fucking delusional

You can type real big if you want to but the fact remains, it was a dismal failure because it was just too early. It was a blowback model and didn't work real well. It jammed way too much. The Gas Discharge of the Marlin Model 60 was not possible (it was released in 1962) until the Gas Discharge method was invented in 1937 which many of the modern semi auto rifles of today are based on including the SKS, AK, M-1, M-14 and many others.

Once again just because you say something doesn't make it true

Semiautomatic rifles have been available to the public for over 100 years and nothing you can say or make up can change that fact

The first car was invented in 1795 but does anyone really remember who the inventor was? It was Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot. Why didn't it catch on? It sucked the big one. It wasn't until 1885 that Karl Benz introduced a 3 wheeled car that was hand mass produced in Germany that the Automobile finally caught on. While not the greatest, it just sucked a whole lot less. Each year, the Automobiles produced around the world sucked less and less until the Model T came out and it no longer sucked nearly as bad. Blowback is like the car built in 1795. Yes, it works but it really, really sucks and doesn't really replace the horse and buggy or in the blowback's case, the pump or bolt action.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The first semi auto that was largely available to the public was the Marlin Model 60 22 lr. It was introduced in 1962 and quickly became very popular as a first or second rifle for teens. Most of us older people started out with one as our first rifle. And, yes, it is tube fed. You can still buy it. It's still very cheap at about 179 bucks. And it goes on forever.

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

And it was a dismal failure since it was the blowback model. The Gas Charge versions didn't come about until 1937 by anyone unless it was belt fed.

So the fuck what

the FUCKING FACT is that semiautomatic rifles have been available to civilians for over 100 FUCKING YEARS

So what. It can be made available but if it doesn't sell, so what. blowback works terrible. Better to have a pump which many 22lrs were at the time.

And I am still correct.

Just because the rifles got better in subsequent models is irrelevant and if a rifle was a commercial success by definition it was bought by civilians

It made very few sales. It sucked the big one.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yes dumbass. there were 40 guns per 100 people. Now there are 120

And the types of guns have changed. Now semi autos with high capacity magazines are everywhere. Even angry children easy get guns.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Semi-automatic rifle - Wikipedia

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

Over 100 years ago

You can introduce it till your're blue in the face but the fact remains that the first popular civilian produced semi auto was the Marlin Model 60. But there were already a few M-1s floating around but they weren't produced for just civilian use. The Gas Operated Semi Autos rewrote the semi autos in 1937 which the M-1, SKS, AK and the Model 60 is based on. The ones before that were the blow back models and weren't really sought after. You really need to step away from Wiki and get out and live a little, cupcake.

the Model 1903 achieved commercial success and continued to be manufactured until 1932 when the Winchester Model 63 replaced it.

Commercial success

You still insist that the world is as YOU say it is

IOW you are fucking delusional

You can type real big if you want to but the fact remains, it was a dismal failure because it was just too early. It was a blowback model and didn't work real well. It jammed way too much. The Gas Discharge of the Marlin Model 60 was not possible (it was released in 1962) until the Gas Discharge method was invented in 1937 which many of the modern semi auto rifles of today are based on including the SKS, AK, M-1, M-14 and many others.

Once again just because you say something doesn't make it true

Semiautomatic rifles have been available to the public for over 100 years and nothing you can say or make up can change that fact

The first car was invented in 1795 but does anyone really remember who the inventor was? It was Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot. Why didn't it catch on? It sucked the big one. It wasn't until 1885 that Karl Benz introduced a 3 wheeled car that was hand mass produced in Germany that the Automobile finally caught on. While not the greatest, it just sucked a whole lot less. Each year, the Automobiles produced around the world sucked less and less until the Model T came out and it no longer sucked nearly as bad. Blowback is like the car built in 1795. Yes, it works but it really, really sucks and doesn't really replace the horse and buggy or in the blowback's case, the pump or bolt action.

You have a problem with innovation and the concept of interchangeable parts?

The AR platform is a wild success because it is highly versatile and customizible (is that a word?), with a variety of parts readily available for dirt cheap. It is available in no less than 10 different chamberings with many different roles or functions. The .223/5.56 is longer range, high velocity round not ideal for home defense but great for target practice and feral hog or varmint hunting. But, an AR pistol or SBR in .300 blackout subsonic is perfect for home defense. It's much easier to control than a handgun, especially in a stressful situation.

You are just mad because the average person has the ability to defend him/herself and you can no longer control their fears. You are mad because people have become more self-reliant, and that means they are no longer reliant on the all-mighty government to wipe their asses and feed them.

You are a control freak.

Admit it.

That's why commies love gun confiscation. They can't have control over a population that can fight them off.



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[Brain357]

Yes dumbass. there were 40 guns per 100 people. Now there are 120

And the types of guns have changed. Now semi autos with high capacity magazines are everywhere. Even angry children easy get guns.

18 year olds are not children

They certainly can be mass murderers with the help of military style weapons

Semiautomatic rifles are not "military style"

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

And have become much more popular in recent years. Law enforcement used revolvers when I was a kid.

 

[Brain357]

The first semi auto that was largely available to the public was the Marlin Model 60 22 lr. It was introduced in 1962 and quickly became very popular as a first or second rifle for teens. Most of us older people started out with one as our first rifle. And, yes, it is tube fed. You can still buy it. It's still very cheap at about 179 bucks. And it goes on forever.

In 1903 and 1905, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the first semi-automatic rimfire and centerfire rifles designed especially for the civilian market.

And it was a dismal failure since it was the blowback model. The Gas Charge versions didn't come about until 1937 by anyone unless it was belt fed.

So the fuck what

the FUCKING FACT is that semiautomatic rifles have been available to civilians for over 100 FUCKING YEARS

So what. It can be made available but if it doesn't sell, so what. blowback works terrible. Better to have a pump which many 22lrs were at the time.

And I am still correct.

Just because the rifles got better in subsequent models is irrelevant and if a rifle was a commercial success by definition it was bought by civilians

You are being dishonest as usual.

 

[2aguy]

Yes dumbass. there were 40 guns per 100 people. Now there are 120

And the types of guns have changed. Now semi autos with high capacity magazines are everywhere. Even angry children easy get guns.

18 year olds are not children

They certainly can be mass murderers with the help of military style weapons

A guy in Crimea used a 5 shot pump action shotgun to murder 20 college students...more than the shooter in Parkland killed with an AR-15 rifle. The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 with 2 pistols..more than the Parkland shooter the the AR-15 rifle.

It isn't the weapon, it is the time he is allowed to kill in a gun free zone targeting helpless, unarmed people....

Crimea is a War Zone and not in the United States. This has nothing to do with what we do in the US. Next you are going to start making claims just how dangerous it is to not be armed in Mars against the marauding Martians.

Yes...it does..... it shows exactly the truth about gun free zones. a killer with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun murdered 20 college students in a gun free zone, across the street from the police station......it is time in the gun free zone, where the killer is not stopped by an armed citizen or police officer that matters, not the type of gun he uses...

And if there had been an armed citizen, there is a 94% chance he would have been stopped and/or the killing been reduced.....

 

[2aguy]

Semiautomatic firearms have been available to the public for over 100 years

Bullshit.

They were not even in common use by the MILITARY until the 40s and civilian ownership was almost exclusively tube fed .22s until the explosion of assault riffles in the 80s

More people are killed falling off of ladders than are killed by AR-15s in mass public shootings...more people are killed by lawn mowers every year than AR-15s in mass public shootings..

in fact, knives kill more people than all rifles every single year, and clubs kill more people than rifles each year as do people murdering people with their bare hands...

Nothing you state is true or accurate or has any relationship to reality..... you hate guns, got it......but your fear of guns doesn't give you the right to make 1.1 million Americans into victims of rape, robbery and murder.

 

[2aguy]

Yes dumbass. there were 40 guns per 100 people. Now there are 120

And the types of guns have changed. Now semi autos with high capacity magazines are everywhere. Even angry children easy get guns.

18 year olds are not children

They certainly can be mass murderers with the help of military style weapons

A guy in Crimea used a 5 shot pump action shotgun to murder 20 college students...more than the shooter in Parkland killed with an AR-15 rifle. The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 with 2 pistols..more than the Parkland shooter the the AR-15 rifle.

It isn't the weapon, it is the time he is allowed to kill in a gun free zone targeting helpless, unarmed people....

Crimea is a War Zone and not in the United States. This has nothing to do with what we do in the US. Next you are going to start making claims just how dangerous it is to not be armed in Mars against the marauding Martians.

Armed citizens have 94% effective rate when they are allowed to carry their legal guns into a gun free zone...

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.