What is the republican solution to ending mass shootings? Why don’t they ever offer solutions?

[2aguy]

In 1975 47% of households had a gun.

Now it's about 30%. So fewer people own a shitload more guns.

Violent crime is absolutely unrelated to gun ownership

Wrong....NBC just did a poll...the gun ownership rate is still 47%.

 

[Lesh]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

It is not astounding at all, since there is no solution to gun violence in the US. As the recent mass shooting in Ca. showed, tougher gun control laws don't prevent mass shootings, and such laws will not keep guns out of the hands of gangs, drug dealers and other criminals. As things stand now, if you say, no, to every bad idea about ending gun violence, you've said, no, to all ideas about how to end gun violence since ther are no good ideas on the subject.

So we just "shrug and get used to it"?

I think not.

We had a ten year ban on assault weapons and not only did the sky not fall...but the number of mass shootings decreased

Moron....the Virginia tech shooter used 2 pistols and killed 32 people.....the Luby’s Cafe shooter used 2 pistols and killed 24.... the shooter in Crimea used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun and killed 21 college students.......a rifle ban doesn’t stop mass shootings.....

It DID reduce them.

But you make a good case for banning magazine fed semi-auto guns. There is absolutely no need for them. Revolvers and bolt/lever/pump actions do everything necessary without being the danger that semi-autos are.

They better for hunting and equally good for home defense

 

[2aguy]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

Just do whatever it is the NRA does, they are armed to the teeth and there is virtually zero gun violence...my guess is they know better than to give liberals access guns.

Worked for Dallas, Tx in 1871, didn't it.

You know, there are lots of people who are against gun control, and many times they bring up the examples of the Old West, where everyone had guns.

Only thing they don't know, is that many towns took custody of the guns when people came in.

Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West | History | Smithsonian

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” says Adam Winkler, a professor and specialist in American constitutional law at UCLA School of Law. “Today, you're allowed to carry a gun without a license or permit on Tombstone streets. Back in the 1880s, you weren't.” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.


Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, invest their time and resources, and bring their families. Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.


Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

Wrong...gun control did not work in Tombstone....the criminals ignored those laws, you can ask the Earp they gunned down and the other Earp they maimed....

 

[Darkwind]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

More lies from you billy?

Plenty of solutions have been offered over the years. You just don't like them because your ONLY solution is to punish the innocent.

 

[2aguy]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

It is not astounding at all, since there is no solution to gun violence in the US. As the recent mass shooting in Ca. showed, tougher gun control laws don't prevent mass shootings, and such laws will not keep guns out of the hands of gangs, drug dealers and other criminals. As things stand now, if you say, no, to every bad idea about ending gun violence, you've said, no, to all ideas about how to end gun violence since ther are no good ideas on the subject.

So we just "shrug and get used to it"?

I think not.

We had a ten year ban on assault weapons and not only did the sky not fall...but the number of mass shootings decreased

Moron....the Virginia tech shooter used 2 pistols and killed 32 people.....the Luby’s Cafe shooter used 2 pistols and killed 24.... the shooter in Crimea used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun and killed 21 college students.......a rifle ban doesn’t stop mass shootings.....

It DID reduce them.

But you make a good case for banning magazine fed semi-auto guns. There is absolutely no need for them. Revolvers and bolt/lever/pump actions do everything necessary without being the danger that semi-autos are.

They better for hunting and equally good for home defense

Magazines do not increase deaths in a mass shooting.....,in Crimea 2 weeks ago a shooter used a 5 shot pump action shotgun and killed 21 unarmed college students...more than Parkland.....

You know nothing about guns. And revolvers are not as easy to carry as semi auto pistols...which is one reason asshats like you want them banned, you know it will end concealed carry......

 

[deanrd]

Republicans don't have solutions for anything.

Unless the question is how they can help needy billionaires and corporations.

Progressives are far too dumb and lost to recognize the wealthiest among us are progressives. Those running the internet are wealthy progressives. The wealthiest zip codes are progressive. Progressive ideology builds the income gap until there's only the mega poor and mega wealthy. Yet according to this dip shit, it's Republicans who support them instead of Democrats.

Then why do Republicans give tax breaks to billionaires and corporations? Are you sure you know you’re talking about?

 

[Lesh]

Wrong....NBC just did a poll...the gun ownership rate is still 47%.

You're cherry picking results.

Here's the question

“Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes”

So in a household with 5-6 people do 5-6 people own guns?

Again...I showed you a link that showed that 47% of HOUSEHOLDS in 1975 had at least one gun in them.

That number is now close to 30%

 

[Rambunctious]

Republicans don't have solutions for anything.

Unless the question is how they can help needy billionaires and corporations.

Progressives are far too dumb and lost to recognize the wealthiest among us are progressives. Those running the internet are wealthy progressives. The wealthiest zip codes are progressive. Progressive ideology builds the income gap until there's only the mega poor and mega wealthy. Yet according to this dip shit, it's Republicans who support them instead of Democrats.

Then why do Republicans give tax breaks to billionaires and corporations? Are you sure you know you’re talking about?

We tried taxing the shit out of companies during Obama's term...it didn't work...it cost us jobs and we lost companies and had an 8 year recession we couldn't get out of....Trump lowers taxes across the board and we have more jobs than we need which is raising wages.....

 

[Lesh]

So far we've looked mostly at households with guns in them. That's because pollsters will most often ask Americans whether or not they live in households with guns. That's clearly different than a person owning a gun him or herself, however. According to the 2017 Pew study, 30% of Americans own guns themselves (12 points lower than the 42% who live in households with guns). For Gallup, it was 29% (13 points lower than the 42% who live in households with guns). The GSS pegs it even lower -- only 21% of Americans said they personally own guns (11 points lower than the 32% who live in households with guns).
Both the GSS and Pew surveys find that it's women who are more likely to be the people who don't personally own guns but live in households with weapons. In fact, the GSS found that only a little more than a third of women in households with guns own one.

 

[Lesh]

Republicans don't have solutions for anything.

Unless the question is how they can help needy billionaires and corporations.

Progressives are far too dumb and lost to recognize the wealthiest among us are progressives. Those running the internet are wealthy progressives. The wealthiest zip codes are progressive. Progressive ideology builds the income gap until there's only the mega poor and mega wealthy. Yet according to this dip shit, it's Republicans who support them instead of Democrats.

Then why do Republicans give tax breaks to billionaires and corporations? Are you sure you know you’re talking about?

We tried taxing the shit out of companies during Obama's term...it didn't work...it cost us jobs and we lost companies and had an 8 year recession we couldn't get out of....Trump lowers taxes across the board and we have more jobs than we need which is raising wages.....

Really? Guns caused the recession?

But gun sales were INCREASING during the Obama years.

You have some serious fact and logic issues

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

Arm yourself, train and shoot back. Are we done with this thread?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So far we've looked mostly at households with guns in them. That's because pollsters will most often ask Americans whether or not they live in households with guns. That's clearly different than a person owning a gun him or herself, however. According to the 2017 Pew study, 30% of Americans own guns themselves (12 points lower than the 42% who live in households with guns). For Gallup, it was 29% (13 points lower than the 42% who live in households with guns). The GSS pegs it even lower -- only 21% of Americans said they personally own guns (11 points lower than the 32% who live in households with guns).
Both the GSS and Pew surveys find that it's women who are more likely to be the people who don't personally own guns but live in households with weapons. In fact, the GSS found that only a little more than a third of women in households with guns own one.

I would question that one.

Years ago when we used to go to the range, guys would be shooting their guns and the women would be behind the glass reading a magazine or watching their husbands and boyfriends. Now when you go to the range, over half of the shooters are female.

In our state, the women outpaced men in CCW applications. As far as I can tell, firearm ownership and use has dramatically grown with females as the years went by.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

It is not astounding at all, since there is no solution to gun violence in the US. As the recent mass shooting in Ca. showed, tougher gun control laws don't prevent mass shootings, and such laws will not keep guns out of the hands of gangs, drug dealers and other criminals. As things stand now, if you say, no, to every bad idea about ending gun violence, you've said, no, to all ideas about how to end gun violence since ther are no good ideas on the subject.

So we just "shrug and get used to it"?

I think not.

We had a ten year ban on assault weapons and not only did the sky not fall...but the number of mass shootings decreased

Moron....the Virginia tech shooter used 2 pistols and killed 32 people.....the Luby’s Cafe shooter used 2 pistols and killed 24.... the shooter in Crimea used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun and killed 21 college students.......a rifle ban doesn’t stop mass shootings.....

It DID reduce them.

But you make a good case for banning magazine fed semi-auto guns. There is absolutely no need for them. Revolvers and bolt/lever/pump actions do everything necessary without being the danger that semi-autos are.

They better for hunting and equally good for home defense

They are a lot slower shooting as well. Maybe not bad if one person breaks into your home, but trying to defend yourself from several attackers with semi-auto guns puts you at a severe disadvantage.

This isn't the movies either. At times it takes more than one shot to disable your attacker. Even highly trained police officers would tell you after 20 feet, most of the shots you fire miss their targets.

 

[Markle]

It DID reduce them.

But you make a good case for banning magazine fed semi-auto guns. There is absolutely no need for them. Revolvers and bolt/lever/pump actions do everything necessary without being the danger that semi-autos are.

They better for hunting and equally good for home defense

Your ignorance of weapons is not surprising.

Lesh, which of these weapons are NOT semi-automatic?

 

[Lesh]

It DID reduce them.

But you make a good case for banning magazine fed semi-auto guns. There is absolutely no need for them. Revolvers and bolt/lever/pump actions do everything necessary without being the danger that semi-autos are.

They better for hunting and equally good for home defense

Your ignorance of weapons is not surprising.

Lesh, which of these weapons are NOT semi-automatic?

Better for hunting?

I know a lot of hunters. NONE use assault rifles

And it's the revolver stupid.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

Just do whatever it is the NRA does, they are armed to the teeth and there is virtually zero gun violence...my guess is they know better than to give liberals access guns.

Worked for Dallas, Tx in 1871, didn't it.

You know, there are lots of people who are against gun control, and many times they bring up the examples of the Old West, where everyone had guns.

Only thing they don't know, is that many towns took custody of the guns when people came in.

Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West | History | Smithsonian

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” says Adam Winkler, a professor and specialist in American constitutional law at UCLA School of Law. “Today, you're allowed to carry a gun without a license or permit on Tombstone streets. Back in the 1880s, you weren't.” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.


Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, invest their time and resources, and bring their families. Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.


Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

Wrong...gun control did not work in Tombstone....the criminals ignored those laws, you can ask the Earp they gunned down and the other Earp they maimed....

And the Clantons didn't walk down the street with their guns after that. In fact, most of them didn't walk around at all after that. In Dallas, the City Police would give you ONE warning. If you didn't heed it, they just gunned you down on sight. The Earps were actually trying to play nice. Most Town Marshals or Police would just have allowed them to enter and then gunned them down on sight without warning. I guess you can call being dead ignoring the law..

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It DID reduce them.

But you make a good case for banning magazine fed semi-auto guns. There is absolutely no need for them. Revolvers and bolt/lever/pump actions do everything necessary without being the danger that semi-autos are.

They better for hunting and equally good for home defense

Your ignorance of weapons is not surprising.

Lesh, which of these weapons are NOT semi-automatic?

Better for hunting?

I know a lot of hunters. NONE use assault rifles

And it's the revolver stupid.

What you are seeing is the Cult syndrome. If they weren't praying to their AR they would be praying to some kind of rock, I know they won't admit it or even know it themselves, but they have placed the AR over God and Jesus.

 

[Markle]

Better for hunting?

I know a lot of hunters. NONE use assault rifles

And it's the revolver stupid.

Sorry Lesh, all five are semi-automatic weapons. Thank you for being so cooperative.

Living in the Panhandle of Florida. Most of my friends are hunters. All use semi-automatic rifles, some use the rifle at the top of the photo below. Hint, it is NOT an assault rifle. Do you even know what constitutes an assault rifle? Please share with us.

 

[deanrd]

Republicans have one solution. Shoot to kill.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Republicans have one solution. Shoot to kill.

You talking about shooting me? "You talkin' to me? You talking to me?"