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LolNow you'e not being open minded in the slightest. Guns do good things such as self-defense and yes, hunting. Up here we are loaded with deer that have to be culled in certain areas. Where it's illegal to hunt the government has to come in to thin the herds out. I'm sure most people who live out in the sticks will tell you how beneficial being able to kill an animal is.
Been hunting deer since I was 12. A pump action shotgun works just fine. If you're inclined to longer ranges most serious hunters use bolt action rifles in the .30 calibre range.
I have also taken dear with a bow.
You do NOT need an assault weapon to hunt. In fact it's not a particularly good weapon for deer hunting
And Ar15 is not anything more than a sporting rifle...
I hunt antelope with an Ar15 in 6.8 SPC It is a particularly good hunting rifle for white tails, mule deer and antelope.
Our solution...end gun free zones so mass shooters stop targeting schools and churches.
Our solution, lock up known, violent, repeat gun offenders for long prison sentences instead of allowing democrat party politicians and judges to let them out of prison.
Our solution is to focus on mental health issues, to help the dangerously mentally ill, not taking guns away from women who need them to stay safe.
When hunting game shot placement is everything, I have had .223 w/55 gr soft points that have went all the way through both shoulder of Whitetails at around 300 yards.you mean for someone who doesn't know shit about firearms but thinks he has the tight to tell others what forearms they need or don't need.
The .223 is a higher velocity round sure but it is still a .22 caliber
Wow. I thought you actually knew something about the subject. Obviously you don't
Not only are .223s jacketed (ya know like a military round) they have far more propellant and are bigger. The average size of a .223 is 50gr. They can be bigger. The largest .22 long rifle is 40 gr. Longs and shorts are obviously smaller. Typically .22 LR is not jacketed...so has less penetration power.
.22 LR are "effective" to only 150 yds. the .223 is effective to 300 yards...a testament to its increased power
You really need to just stop talking
The reason is it is a FASTER round
Kinetic energy is greater the faster a round travels
an unjacketed round and a jacketed round traveling at the same velocity will do the same amount of damage to soft tissue
No, the jacketed will get a better penetration and hold the ballistics better making it able to make longer shots and do more damage with it's penetration. But in the 223s case, it's still a short ranged cartridge. And not even an average for the other high powered 22s.
Lolyou mean for someone who doesn't know shit about firearms but thinks he has the tight to tell others what forearms they need or don't need.
The .223 is a higher velocity round sure but it is still a .22 caliber
Wow. I thought you actually knew something about the subject. Obviously you don't
Not only are .223s jacketed (ya know like a military round) they have far more propellant and are bigger. The average size of a .223 is 50gr. They can be bigger. The largest .22 long rifle is 40 gr. Longs and shorts are obviously smaller. Typically .22 LR is not jacketed...so has less penetration power.
.22 LR are "effective" to only 150 yds. the .223 is effective to 300 yards...a testament to its increased power
You really need to just stop talking
What do you mean by jacketed like a military round? All hunting “rounds” jacketed in one way or another or they are copper altogether.
Where do you get your information from the Clinton news network?
150 yards? Not 200? not 250? Lol
Affective out to 300 yards? On what? But not effective out to 350 or 400?
You’re just talking shit..
While he was wrong about the Jacketing he isn't wrong abut the range. One of the problems our troops have in the Middle East is that the bad guys started using the larger and longer ranged battle rifles that could go easily out to 800 yds. The 556 could only go out to a maximum of 400 yards before it pretty much left the useful ballistics. At 350yds, you won't be doing that neat little grouping. It's going to be a bit irratic as the bullet is starting to lose it's mind. The 223 is designed for less than 200 yds and is generally used at less than 100. If you claim to do a nice tight grouping at 400 yds, you are just plain lying. I would say that anything past 250 yds, you are using the wrong caliber. But that's just me since I have shot thousands of rounds of 556 and 7.62.
A .223 would not be my first choice for anything larger than a yote, I like .308, 6.8spc and 7mm08 For anything in the lower 48, those would be my first choices.
But for up to 500 yard shots On any type of varmint a .223 is a wonderful cartridge...
More than adequate… And affordable
I’m talking about a dinner plate size of grouping of 500 yards is doable
LolNow you'e not being open minded in the slightest. Guns do good things such as self-defense and yes, hunting. Up here we are loaded with deer that have to be culled in certain areas. Where it's illegal to hunt the government has to come in to thin the herds out. I'm sure most people who live out in the sticks will tell you how beneficial being able to kill an animal is.
Been hunting deer since I was 12. A pump action shotgun works just fine. If you're inclined to longer ranges most serious hunters use bolt action rifles in the .30 calibre range.
I have also taken dear with a bow.
You do NOT need an assault weapon to hunt. In fact it's not a particularly good weapon for deer hunting
And Ar15 is not anything more than a sporting rifle...
I hunt antelope with an Ar15 in 6.8 SPC It is a particularly good hunting rifle for white tails, mule deer and antelope.
A real man wouldn't need a gun to take down anyone of these animals, prehistoric man chased down these animals and used spears to finish the job. Then they used every bit of the animal for food, shelter and tools; they didn't have their picture taken and the head stuffed and put on a wall.
Picture of Trump with animal he shot - Google Search
And Ar15 is not anything more than a sporting rifle...
I hunt antelope with an Ar15 in 6.8 SPC It is a particularly good hunting rifle for white tails, mule deer and antelope.
Lolyou mean for someone who doesn't know shit about firearms but thinks he has the tight to tell others what forearms they need or don't need.
The .223 is a higher velocity round sure but it is still a .22 caliber
Wow. I thought you actually knew something about the subject. Obviously you don't
Not only are .223s jacketed (ya know like a military round) they have far more propellant and are bigger. The average size of a .223 is 50gr. They can be bigger. The largest .22 long rifle is 40 gr. Longs and shorts are obviously smaller. Typically .22 LR is not jacketed...so has less penetration power.
.22 LR are "effective" to only 150 yds. the .223 is effective to 300 yards...a testament to its increased power
You really need to just stop talking
What do you mean by jacketed like a military round? All hunting “rounds” jacketed in one way or another or they are copper altogether.
Where do you get your information from the Clinton news network?
150 yards? Not 200? not 250? Lol
Affective out to 300 yards? On what? But not effective out to 350 or 400?
You’re just talking shit..
While he was wrong about the Jacketing he isn't wrong abut the range. One of the problems our troops have in the Middle East is that the bad guys started using the larger and longer ranged battle rifles that could go easily out to 800 yds. The 556 could only go out to a maximum of 400 yards before it pretty much left the useful ballistics. At 350yds, you won't be doing that neat little grouping. It's going to be a bit irratic as the bullet is starting to lose it's mind. The 223 is designed for less than 200 yds and is generally used at less than 100. If you claim to do a nice tight grouping at 400 yds, you are just plain lying. I would say that anything past 250 yds, you are using the wrong caliber. But that's just me since I have shot thousands of rounds of 556 and 7.62.
A .223 would not be my first choice for anything larger than a yote, I like .308, 6.8spc and 7mm08 For anything in the lower 48, those would be my first choices.
But for up to 500 yard shots On any type of varmint a .223 is a wonderful cartridge...
More than adequate… And affordable
I’m talking about a dinner plate size of grouping of 500 yards is doable
I will admit I ain't as good as I once was. Not as steady a hand nor nearly as good of eye sight. But hitting anything at 500 yds with a 223 is just silly to try more than a couple of times. And to hit that dinner plate grouping, all things must be perfect. Meanwhile, the 7.62 is less susceptible to those same conditions and can easily do that grouping or tighter. A 223 really doesn't have enough energy left a 500 yds to be taking that kind of shot.
Let's look at the balllistic chart for a 223. You will notice it stops at 400 yds. A 500 yd shot is a hail Mary.
I doubt if you will have even 300 ftlbs of energy left at 500 yds. It starts to fall off very quickly once you go past 200 yds. But it's still usable at 250 yds against small critters. But beyond that, even small critters may survive getting hit by a 223. And at 500 yds, a good coat of fur may stop the bullet from penetrating. Plus, at 500 yds, you are having to elevate the barrel nearly 5 feet. Sorry, most scopes will be unusable at that range since the target will end up below the horizon of the optics.
You will agree that a M-16 is an assault rifle, right? And that definition has nothing to do with the A in the AR. It's used to assault in a war condition and it's pretty damned good at it. It's normally used in it's single shot setting because it just wastes ammo otherwise. So now you have a single shot M-16. Can you tell me the difference between an AR-15 and a M-16/M-4? And don't give me that crap about the AR must being a sporting rifle. You may be right but the sport animal it was designed to assault is human. All other uses are secondary.
So you agree that the AR-15 is far from being any sort of Assault Weapon. THANK YOU!
Follow along kiddies.
We're told that it's important to have an AR-15 because it is a good gun for shooting squirrels...
We're also told that it's not a good self defense weapon (there are many much better)...
And that the main reason for having one is a "defense against the government"...but that it's not a military grade weapon.
Of course defending oneself against an actual military with a weapon that is admittedly not military grade sounds silly but then the entire gun hugger argument is pretty fucking silly so....
Oh and no...the gun huggers have no solution to mass shootings or gun violence because ...they just don't see it as a problem
That's your imagination. Of course it's a problem. The question is if it can be solved. Our stance is that disarming the public and even the removal of AR's will not solve anything. It would only make people like yourself feel better.
But even if you could accomplish either of those things, and the next mass shooting takes place, you will want to advance to the next step, and the next, and the next.
That is where we really stand.
The only thing we can do is actually a social problem. Yah, I know, I type social and you transpose "Socialist" over it. But social change has nothing to do with a bunch of commies. Here are some steps that have helped here, at the permission of the Voters
1. Put in detectors right on the front door of the School, or any public gathering place. This stops even handguns from being brought in. Yah, I know, there are still stupid kids that try and bring in their Daddys handgun out of kicks but the get bagged very quickly and the gun gets confiscated by the Police to never be returned. The Onus is on the Parents in this case. And put well trained Armed Security on that Gate. It prevents or slows down firearms being brought into the public areas where you have no choice but to have as a Gun Free Zone.
2. Educate the general public. In Texas, you may see people walking around on a hot sunny dry day wearing Rain Coats or Dusters. Here, if you see that, the Cops are called if you are within 1000 feet of a School. The Cops respond. 3 times the cops have been called. 2 of the times, it was a stupid fashion statement that I doubt if that student will ever do again. The 3rd time, under that Rain Coat was an AR and 4 30 round mags. The School didn't call it in. A concerned Citizen called it in and the Cops took all 3 as serious as a heart attack.
You don't need every Teacher Armed. Right after the States Board of Education approved that the Teachers can be armed, the Teachers Association along with the PTAs turned it down. There have been accidental discharged by teachers in schools that have done this. And if you same one life then you should do it. There are other methods.
There are other methods that can be used at the same time. If you want to see them, google Colorado Firearms Regulations. When you total it all together, you end up with a much safter place.
Put in detectors right on the front door of the School, or any public gathering place.
Really? They simply shoot the guy at the detector and walk into the school.
We already have states that allow staff to be armed and nothing you claim is happening....you talk out of your ass and then act as if you have posted something intelligent....
Lolyou mean for someone who doesn't know shit about firearms but thinks he has the tight to tell others what forearms they need or don't need.
The .223 is a higher velocity round sure but it is still a .22 caliber
Wow. I thought you actually knew something about the subject. Obviously you don't
Not only are .223s jacketed (ya know like a military round) they have far more propellant and are bigger. The average size of a .223 is 50gr. They can be bigger. The largest .22 long rifle is 40 gr. Longs and shorts are obviously smaller. Typically .22 LR is not jacketed...so has less penetration power.
.22 LR are "effective" to only 150 yds. the .223 is effective to 300 yards...a testament to its increased power
You really need to just stop talking
What do you mean by jacketed like a military round? All hunting “rounds” jacketed in one way or another or they are copper altogether.
Where do you get your information from the Clinton news network?
150 yards? Not 200? not 250? Lol
Affective out to 300 yards? On what? But not effective out to 350 or 400?
You’re just talking shit..
While he was wrong about the Jacketing he isn't wrong abut the range. One of the problems our troops have in the Middle East is that the bad guys started using the larger and longer ranged battle rifles that could go easily out to 800 yds. The 556 could only go out to a maximum of 400 yards before it pretty much left the useful ballistics. At 350yds, you won't be doing that neat little grouping. It's going to be a bit irratic as the bullet is starting to lose it's mind. The 223 is designed for less than 200 yds and is generally used at less than 100. If you claim to do a nice tight grouping at 400 yds, you are just plain lying. I would say that anything past 250 yds, you are using the wrong caliber. But that's just me since I have shot thousands of rounds of 556 and 7.62.
A .223 would not be my first choice for anything larger than a yote, I like .308, 6.8spc and 7mm08 For anything in the lower 48, those would be my first choices.
But for up to 500 yard shots On any type of varmint a .223 is a wonderful cartridge...
More than adequate… And affordable
I’m talking about a dinner plate size of grouping of 500 yards is doable
I will admit I ain't as good as I once was. Not as steady a hand nor nearly as good of eye sight. But hitting anything at 500 yds with a 223 is just silly to try more than a couple of times. And to hit that dinner plate grouping, all things must be perfect. Meanwhile, the 7.62 is less susceptible to those same conditions and can easily do that grouping or tighter. A 223 really doesn't have enough energy left a 500 yds to be taking that kind of shot.
Let's look at the balllistic chart for a 223. You will notice it stops at 400 yds. A 500 yd shot is a hail Mary.
I doubt if you will have even 300 ftlbs of energy left at 500 yds. It starts to fall off very quickly once you go past 200 yds. But it's still usable at 250 yds against small critters. But beyond that, even small critters may survive getting hit by a 223. And at 500 yds, a good coat of fur may stop the bullet from penetrating. Plus, at 500 yds, you are having to elevate the barrel nearly 5 feet. Sorry, most scopes will be unusable at that range since the target will end up below the horizon of the optics.
Second amendment protects every other amendmentCrimea 2 weeks ago, 5 shot, pump action shotgun against college students.... 21 dead.
Can you read?
IN THIS COUNTRY
The Crimea attack occurred across the street from a police station and the response was incredibly slow.
The Pittsburg shooting that just occurred was responded to in like TWO minutes
W Virginia was NOT a shotgun attack stupid. You evene noted that
The point that flew right over your blunt little head is that a person hell bent on killing people doesn't need a rifle and if you ban one weapon then that person who is hell bent on murder will simply use a different weapon
Using other forms of weapons to kill require some skill and many times some danger to the killer. A gun is also not personal, it is used to arbitrarily kill without concern for humanity in general.
In fact most mass murderers want to die in a blaze of gunfire, and we cannot know what is inside the mind of those who engage in this sort of aberrant behavior.
The Best Way to reduce mass murder IMO is to require everyone who wants to own, possess or have in their custody and control a License and for all weapons to be registered.
I've outlined why many times, and each time the same whine echoes around this theme, the wording of the 2nd A.
Let's parse this amendment, and see if we can agree on how it should be interpreted.
Let's look beyond the amendment and discuss Art I, Sec 8, clauses 15 & 16.
In the last sentence of clause 16 (to wit: "reserving to the states respectively, the Appointment of Officers, and the Authority of Training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress") the current interpretation by the NRA and its followers is that emphasis on the right of the people.
Yet in practice, this phrase implies no one can be denied the right to own, possess or have in their custody and control a gun. And yet, some forms of guns are outlawed (Zip Guns for example) and others regulated (fully automatic) and some people are denied the right as expressed by Scalia in Heller.
16 leaves the authority to the states to appoint officers and train the militia. Consider if every governor has that authority, and using guidance from The Congress appoint officers (likely retired & honorably discharged vets) to recruit, vet and train volunteers to serve and become weekend warriors as contractors?
It takes no skill to drive a truck through a crowd.
and if a person wants to walk into a place and start shooting he isn't going to care if his gun is registered or not.
Anyone hell bent on killing will kill and you cannot stop it.
I'm not going to argue the militia aspect. The Bill of rights is a protection of the rights of the people not the rights of states or of state militias.
you mean for someone who doesn't know shit about firearms but thinks he has the tight to tell others what forearms they need or don't need.
The .223 is a higher velocity round sure but it is still a .22 caliber
Wow. I thought you actually knew something about the subject. Obviously you don't
Not only are .223s jacketed (ya know like a military round) they have far more propellant and are bigger. The average size of a .223 is 50gr. They can be bigger. The largest .22 long rifle is 40 gr. Longs and shorts are obviously smaller. Typically .22 LR is not jacketed...so has less penetration power.
.22 LR are "effective" to only 150 yds. the .223 is effective to 300 yards...a testament to its increased power
You really need to just stop talking
The reason is it is a FASTER round
Kinetic energy is greater the faster a round travels
an unjacketed round and a jacketed round traveling at the same velocity will do the same amount of damage to soft tissue
No, the jacketed will get a better penetration and hold the ballistics better making it able to make longer shots and do more damage with it's penetration. But in the 223s case, it's still a short ranged cartridge. And not even an average for the other high powered 22s.
LolWow. I thought you actually knew something about the subject. Obviously you don't
Not only are .223s jacketed (ya know like a military round) they have far more propellant and are bigger. The average size of a .223 is 50gr. They can be bigger. The largest .22 long rifle is 40 gr. Longs and shorts are obviously smaller. Typically .22 LR is not jacketed...so has less penetration power.
.22 LR are "effective" to only 150 yds. the .223 is effective to 300 yards...a testament to its increased power
You really need to just stop talking
What do you mean by jacketed like a military round? All hunting “rounds” jacketed in one way or another or they are copper altogether.
Where do you get your information from the Clinton news network?
150 yards? Not 200? not 250? Lol
Affective out to 300 yards? On what? But not effective out to 350 or 400?
You’re just talking shit..
While he was wrong about the Jacketing he isn't wrong abut the range. One of the problems our troops have in the Middle East is that the bad guys started using the larger and longer ranged battle rifles that could go easily out to 800 yds. The 556 could only go out to a maximum of 400 yards before it pretty much left the useful ballistics. At 350yds, you won't be doing that neat little grouping. It's going to be a bit irratic as the bullet is starting to lose it's mind. The 223 is designed for less than 200 yds and is generally used at less than 100. If you claim to do a nice tight grouping at 400 yds, you are just plain lying. I would say that anything past 250 yds, you are using the wrong caliber. But that's just me since I have shot thousands of rounds of 556 and 7.62.
A .223 would not be my first choice for anything larger than a yote, I like .308, 6.8spc and 7mm08 For anything in the lower 48, those would be my first choices.
But for up to 500 yard shots On any type of varmint a .223 is a wonderful cartridge...
More than adequate… And affordable
I’m talking about a dinner plate size of grouping of 500 yards is doable
I will admit I ain't as good as I once was. Not as steady a hand nor nearly as good of eye sight. But hitting anything at 500 yds with a 223 is just silly to try more than a couple of times. And to hit that dinner plate grouping, all things must be perfect. Meanwhile, the 7.62 is less susceptible to those same conditions and can easily do that grouping or tighter. A 223 really doesn't have enough energy left a 500 yds to be taking that kind of shot.
Let's look at the balllistic chart for a 223. You will notice it stops at 400 yds. A 500 yd shot is a hail Mary.
I doubt if you will have even 300 ftlbs of energy left at 500 yds. It starts to fall off very quickly once you go past 200 yds. But it's still usable at 250 yds against small critters. But beyond that, even small critters may survive getting hit by a 223. And at 500 yds, a good coat of fur may stop the bullet from penetrating. Plus, at 500 yds, you are having to elevate the barrel nearly 5 feet. Sorry, most scopes will be unusable at that range since the target will end up below the horizon of the optics.
The only thing we can do is actually a social problem. Yah, I know, I type social and you transpose "Socialist" over it. But social change has nothing to do with a bunch of commies. Here are some steps that have helped here, at the permission of the Voters
1. Put in detectors right on the front door of the School, or any public gathering place. This stops even handguns from being brought in. Yah, I know, there are still stupid kids that try and bring in their Daddys handgun out of kicks but the get bagged very quickly and the gun gets confiscated by the Police to never be returned. The Onus is on the Parents in this case. And put well trained Armed Security on that Gate. It prevents or slows down firearms being brought into the public areas where you have no choice but to have as a Gun Free Zone.
2. Educate the general public. In Texas, you may see people walking around on a hot sunny dry day wearing Rain Coats or Dusters. Here, if you see that, the Cops are called if you are within 1000 feet of a School. The Cops respond. 3 times the cops have been called. 2 of the times, it was a stupid fashion statement that I doubt if that student will ever do again. The 3rd time, under that Rain Coat was an AR and 4 30 round mags. The School didn't call it in. A concerned Citizen called it in and the Cops took all 3 as serious as a heart attack.
You don't need every Teacher Armed. Right after the States Board of Education approved that the Teachers can be armed, the Teachers Association along with the PTAs turned it down. There have been accidental discharged by teachers in schools that have done this. And if you same one life then you should do it. There are other methods.
There are other methods that can be used at the same time. If you want to see them, google Colorado Firearms Regulations. When you total it all together, you end up with a much safter place.
No school that I'm aware of has ever created policy of mandatory armed teachers. It's a leftist lie if that's what's out there. Armed faculty is an option that only those interested may participate. Even then, most of the time the requirements are a lot of training beyond just having a CCW permit.
No, not mandatory. But enough have done Voluntary to show that it's not a good idea. There are better methods and most schools around here have adopted those methods. If you want to mass shoot and there are not student so shoot and all the doors into a large area are made of heavy metal and electronically locked remotely then you really can't have much of a mass shooting. While you are running around trying to find a way in, SWAT is coming in the front door. Or it might be a bunch of pissed off cops with guns that are pissed off that you interrupted their Donut Break.
The beauty of CCW licenses is that a possible attacker does not know who is armed and who is not.
For instance, schools have been attacked in the past even though they had armed security. However armed security is obvious. They have uniforms, they of course are open carry, they usually position themselves in one place, and their daily routines can be tracked by a possible attacker.
When a kook makes a plan to attack other people, they like to know where they stand. As I just mentioned, a student could monitor the activities of an armed guard. They can't do that with an armed teacher because they don't know who is armed or not. Creating this uncertainty is what can throw them off or even make them abort their mission.
Yes...and since we know that mass shooters plan their attacks 6 months to 2 years in advance, they select schools that do not have armed security...or they target those guards first........
Correct. Just because somebody is a kook doesn't mean they are not smart or crafty. People who have these evil obsessions spend every given moment studying how to accomplishes their goals.
Thank you for proving that 223 can't hack it. At that range, a heavy coat will stop the bullet cold. Even a heavy shirt will stop it. It's only 143ftlbs. And you notice that a few were hits but generally, it was all over the place. They didn't use an AR, they used pretty much a match rifle and you can bet the shooter was an Expert. It's a lark,nothing more. Do that same shot with a Model 70 308 and you will get a more consistent grouping and enough power left to get the kill.
Lol
I was just saying that 300 yards is not the limit... ARs can we set up just as accurate but they would be considerably more in the cost department...
Obviously an 308 Has Way more stopping power but that wasn’t the subject was it?
Let's take a 357 against a 45 Auto. Out to about 125 yds, both are quite accurate if you are good enough. But the stopping power (shot value) of the 45 far outweighs the extra speed of the 357. Then we introduce in cross winds, thermal barriers and other factors. At some point, the 45 will outshoot the 357 in both accuracy and shock value.
If you look at the ballistics of a 444 Marlin versus a 300 win mag, the 444 Marlin is terrible on the ballistic charts. But what they don't show is cross bullet density. It turns out for knowdown, the 444 marlins has the same value at 300 yds that a 300 Win Mag has at 100 yds.
The lesson here is, it doesn't matter much if you can get the bullet there or not. It's the shock value that is more important.
Congressman Swalwell is, and he’s now got the majority of the house. He’ll even nuke Americans to achieve his goals! He wrote it. He has just proved the need for the second amendmentFirst of all the military is overwhelmingly pro second amendment, they would never go against their own… And against the constitutionARs are just sporting rifles.... no two ways about it
Then how could they be a credible defense against a government that has an actual military?
Federal government would have to use the CIA/FBI/NSA/homeland security/ATF to confiscate firearms from the public… They could not use the military, the use the military domestically against citizens?Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia
The military would never go for that to begin with, they would turn their weapons on an oppressive federal government...
How do you think a bunch of rag heads in Afghanistan have foiled every empire over the course of history with much lesser?
First of all, no Government Agency is remotely conceiving of confiscating you guns. You just a well stop trying to scare small children around the campfire with that one. I don't see small children posting in there.
Second, If anyone is trying to violently overthrow our elected government then that is treason. And don't expect there to be a huge exodus to your cause from the US Military. In fact, chances are, they will be the ones doing the support duties for the National Guard and various other agencies unless Congress allows it. You are gambling that much of the Military will disregard the Oath, Customs and Traditions. I don't see that happening on a large scale.
Our solution...end gun free zones so mass shooters stop targeting schools and churches.
Our solution, lock up known, violent, repeat gun offenders for long prison sentences instead of allowing democrat party politicians and judges to let them out of prison.
Our solution is to focus on mental health issues, to help the dangerously mentally ill, not taking guns away from women who need them to stay safe.
That's it?
Who has proposed any legislation that would FUND mental health issues? Why has the legislation enacted ALLOWED people with mental health issues to buy guns?
WHo is going to fund turning all of our schools into armed fortresses?
And Ar15 is not anything more than a sporting rifle...
I hunt antelope with an Ar15 in 6.8 SPC It is a particularly good hunting rifle for white tails, mule deer and antelope.
Then why do people like you keep claiming it is needed to defend against the government?
And why the hell do you need an assault weapon to hunt antelope? Are you such a bad shot that you can't use a bolt action .308?
you mean for someone who doesn't know shit about firearms but thinks he has the tight to tell others what forearms they need or don't need.
The .223 is a higher velocity round sure but it is still a .22 caliber
Wow. I thought you actually knew something about the subject. Obviously you don't
Not only are .223s jacketed (ya know like a military round) they have far more propellant and are bigger. The average size of a .223 is 50gr. They can be bigger. The largest .22 long rifle is 40 gr. Longs and shorts are obviously smaller. Typically .22 LR is not jacketed...so has less penetration power.
.22 LR are "effective" to only 150 yds. the .223 is effective to 300 yards...a testament to its increased power
You really need to just stop talking
The reason is it is a FASTER round
Kinetic energy is greater the faster a round travels
an unjacketed round and a jacketed round traveling at the same velocity will do the same amount of damage to soft tissue
No, the jacketed will get a better penetration and hold the ballistics better making it able to make longer shots and do more damage with it's penetration. But in the 223s case, it's still a short ranged cartridge. And not even an average for the other high powered 22s.
Our solution...end gun free zones so mass shooters stop targeting schools and churches.
Our solution, lock up known, violent, repeat gun offenders for long prison sentences instead of allowing democrat party politicians and judges to let them out of prison.
Our solution is to focus on mental health issues, to help the dangerously mentally ill, not taking guns away from women who need them to stay safe.
That's it?
Who has proposed any legislation that would FUND mental health issues? Why has the legislation enacted ALLOWED people with mental health issues to buy guns?
WHo is going to fund turning all of our schools into armed fortresses?
If you allow normal, law abiding parents and staff to simply carry their legal guns onto school grounds you keep mass shooters from targeting those schools...you don't need to fortify those buildings...... shooters specifically target gun free zones because they know, no one will be there to stop them when they are killing unarmed victims until the police arrive 5-10 minutes later....
The courts and democrat politicians have allowed several mass shooters to get past obvious checks....... ask them. The government so far has the bad track record....ask them.
Lol
What do you mean by jacketed like a military round? All hunting “rounds” jacketed in one way or another or they are copper altogether.
Where do you get your information from the Clinton news network?
150 yards? Not 200? not 250? Lol
Affective out to 300 yards? On what? But not effective out to 350 or 400?
You’re just talking shit..
While he was wrong about the Jacketing he isn't wrong abut the range. One of the problems our troops have in the Middle East is that the bad guys started using the larger and longer ranged battle rifles that could go easily out to 800 yds. The 556 could only go out to a maximum of 400 yards before it pretty much left the useful ballistics. At 350yds, you won't be doing that neat little grouping. It's going to be a bit irratic as the bullet is starting to lose it's mind. The 223 is designed for less than 200 yds and is generally used at less than 100. If you claim to do a nice tight grouping at 400 yds, you are just plain lying. I would say that anything past 250 yds, you are using the wrong caliber. But that's just me since I have shot thousands of rounds of 556 and 7.62.
A .223 would not be my first choice for anything larger than a yote, I like .308, 6.8spc and 7mm08 For anything in the lower 48, those would be my first choices.
But for up to 500 yard shots On any type of varmint a .223 is a wonderful cartridge...
More than adequate… And affordable
I’m talking about a dinner plate size of grouping of 500 yards is doable
I will admit I ain't as good as I once was. Not as steady a hand nor nearly as good of eye sight. But hitting anything at 500 yds with a 223 is just silly to try more than a couple of times. And to hit that dinner plate grouping, all things must be perfect. Meanwhile, the 7.62 is less susceptible to those same conditions and can easily do that grouping or tighter. A 223 really doesn't have enough energy left a 500 yds to be taking that kind of shot.
Let's look at the balllistic chart for a 223. You will notice it stops at 400 yds. A 500 yd shot is a hail Mary.
I doubt if you will have even 300 ftlbs of energy left at 500 yds. It starts to fall off very quickly once you go past 200 yds. But it's still usable at 250 yds against small critters. But beyond that, even small critters may survive getting hit by a 223. And at 500 yds, a good coat of fur may stop the bullet from penetrating. Plus, at 500 yds, you are having to elevate the barrel nearly 5 feet. Sorry, most scopes will be unusable at that range since the target will end up below the horizon of the optics.
Those are some terrible shots. In the old days, prarie dog shooting, we would have laughed at them. I shot a Mauser Shavetail 22lr and was good out to about 150 yds. I would go out early and place flags every 50 yds. I fired with all flags were going the same direction and the same flapping speed. It would be ideal is the flags were all inert. I took my time and didn't miss. Why shoot unless you are guarenteed a kill.
