What is the U.S. goal in Ukraine?

We weren't going to send tanks either.
Tanks are on backorder....lol.
There are many other countries that have purchased Abrams tanks from the US Government that have yet to see them. They are in process of being manufactured....and we can't just give Ukraine tanks when others have actually purchased them and haven't received them yet. Just saying....
 
Aside from "making the world safe for democracy" or some similar claptrap, what is the specific goal of U.S.policy towards Ukrainian territory? Is it to restore Ukrainian sovereignty over its 2020 borders with Russia, or is it to restore its sovereignty over Crimea, which was "annexed" by Russia in 2014? Or are we simply giving a blank check to Ukranian President Zelinsky to do whatever he wants?
Yes, restore Ukrainian sovereignty over their own country.

Duh.
 
Tanks are on backorder....lol.
There are many other countries that have purchased Abrams tanks from the US Government that have yet to see them. They are in process of being manufactured....and we can't just give Ukraine tanks when others have actually purchased them and haven't received them yet. Just saying....
Not relevant.

President Biden said "NO TANKS FOR UKRAINE". Is this not mission creep? Vietnam? Biden made something worse than shambles surrendering to the Afghanistan Taliban.

How is it good for America that Biden is spending tens, soon to be hundreds of billions of dollars to protect the borders of Ukraine but nothing to protect our borders?

 
Not relevant.

President Biden said "NO TANKS FOR UKRAINE". Is this not mission creep? Vietnam? Biden made something worse than shambles surrendering to the Afghanistan Taliban.

How is it good for America that Biden is spending tens, soon to be hundreds of billions of dollars to protect the borders of Ukraine but nothing to protect our borders?

Ukraine is not getting brand new tanks but those sitting in California boneyards.
 
Ukraine is not getting brand new tanks but those sitting in California boneyards.
"Biden said NO TANKS".

U.S. to send Ukraine more advanced Abrams tanks — but no secret armor

The M1A2 version of the Abrams tank includes sophisticated optics and controls that help commanders rapidly track friendly vehicles, identify enemy positions and process artillery requests.

By LARA SELIGMAN, PAUL MCLEARY and LEE HUDSON
01/26/2023 11:31 AM EST

The U.S. is planning to send Kyiv the Abrams main battle tank in its more advanced M1A2 configuration, rather than the older A1 version that the military has in storage, according to three people with knowledge of the deliberations.


Why lie Tory?
 
"Biden said NO TANKS".

U.S. to send Ukraine more advanced Abrams tanks — but no secret armor

The M1A2 version of the Abrams tank includes sophisticated optics and controls that help commanders rapidly track friendly vehicles, identify enemy positions and process artillery requests.

By LARA SELIGMAN, PAUL MCLEARY and LEE HUDSON
01/26/2023 11:31 AM EST

The U.S. is planning to send Kyiv the Abrams main battle tank in its more advanced M1A2 configuration, rather than the older A1 version that the military has in storage, according to three people with knowledge of the deliberations.


Why lie Tory?

I did not lie. Those tanks require an upgrade.

Your source is Politico? "according the three people with knowledge of the deliberations"

What about the 272 people who disagree with that assessment? Good work, Comrade!
 
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How is it good for America that Biden is spending tens, soon to be hundreds of billions of dollars to protect the borders of Ukraine but nothing to protect our borders?

We spend billions on defending our borders

We also spend $850 billion each year on our military. A Military that budgets a major portion to the Russian threat.
A threat Ukraine is taking care of for us
 
Not relevant.

President Biden said "NO TANKS FOR UKRAINE". Is this not mission creep? Vietnam? Biden made something worse than shambles surrendering to the Afghanistan Taliban.

How is it good for America that Biden is spending tens, soon to be hundreds of billions of dollars to protect the borders of Ukraine but nothing to protect our borders?


Customs and Border Protection would see its ranks swell under the fiscal 2023 omnibus spending bill, giving it a total of nearly $17 billion dollars.

 
I did not lie. Those tanks require an upgrade.

Your source is Politico? "according the three people with knowledge of the deliberations"

What about the 272 people who disagree with that assessment? Good work, Comrade!
You said we were sending mothballed tanks. We are not. Plus, regardless of what tanks, President Biden said NO TANKS.

By LARA SELIGMAN, PAUL MCLEARY and LEE HUDSON
01/26/2023 11:31 AM EST

"The U.S. is planning to send Kyiv the Abrams main battle tank in its more advanced M1A2 configuration, rather than the older A1 version that the military has in storage, according to three people with knowledge of the deliberations."

Biden also said, NO JETS!

UKRAINE

Published March 5, 2023 10:24am EST

US evaluating 2 Ukrainian pilots for attack aircraft after Ukraine pleas for F-16s: report

President Biden previously ruled out sending F-16s to Ukraine

 
You said we were sending mothballed tanks. We are not. Plus, regardless of what tanks, President Biden said NO TANKS.

By LARA SELIGMAN, PAUL MCLEARY and LEE HUDSON
01/26/2023 11:31 AM EST

"The U.S. is planning to send Kyiv the Abrams main battle tank in its more advanced M1A2 configuration, rather than the older A1 version that the military has in storage, according to three people with knowledge of the deliberations."

Biden also said, NO JETS!

UKRAINE

Published March 5, 2023 10:24am EST

US evaluating 2 Ukrainian pilots for attack aircraft after Ukraine pleas for F-16s: report

President Biden previously ruled out sending F-16s to Ukraine


Things change
Ukraine has earned more sophisticated weapons systems
 
You said we were sending mothballed tanks. We are not. Plus, regardless of what tanks, President Biden said NO TANKS.

By LARA SELIGMAN, PAUL MCLEARY and LEE HUDSON
01/26/2023 11:31 AM EST

"The U.S. is planning to send Kyiv the Abrams main battle tank in its more advanced M1A2 configuration, rather than the older A1 version that the military has in storage, according to three people with knowledge of the deliberations."

Biden also said, NO JETS!

UKRAINE

Published March 5, 2023 10:24am EST

US evaluating 2 Ukrainian pilots for attack aircraft after Ukraine pleas for F-16s: report

President Biden previously ruled out sending F-16s to Ukraine

The Ukrainians need A-10s, not F-16s.
 
It is working because Ukraine has a steady supply of munitions and weapons systems and Russias supplies are being depleted
surprised they have money left after all they gave to Hunter Biden. Oligarchs that biden refuses to sanction.
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"Yet a closer look at life in Zelensky's Ukraine reveals that it is not the paragon of democracy and Western values that everyone seems to think it is. Ukraine is a deeply corrupt country with wealthy oligarchs playing the same role there as they do in Putin's Russia. Using the war as an excuse, Zelensky has banned his political opposition and shut down all media not controlled by his regime."

"The latest example of his authoritarian style is even more egregious."

"Zelensky's attempt to bar Orthodox churches that answer to the Russian Orthodox Church ought to dispel any notion that Americans are supporting Western values of freedom in this war."


"The notion that Ukraine was such an appealing democratic model in Eastern Europe that the country’s mere existence terrified Putin may be a comforting myth to U.S. politicians and pundits, but it is a myth. Ukraine is far from being a democratic‐capitalist model and an irresistible magnet for Russia’s groaning masses. The reality is murkier and troubling: Ukraine has long been one of the more corrupt countries in the international system. In its annual report published in January 2022, Transparency International ranked Ukraine 123rd of the 180 countries it examined, with a score of 32 on a one to 100 point scale. By comparison, notoriously corrupt Russia ranked just modestly lower, 139th, with a score of 29."

"Ukraine’s track record of protecting democracy and civil liberties is not much better than its performance on corruption. In Freedom House’s 2022 report, Ukraine is listed in the “partly free” category, with a score of 61 out of a possible 100. Other countries in that category include such bastions of liberal democracy as Rodrigo Duterte’s Philippines (55), Serbia (62), Hungary (59), and Singapore (47). Interestingly, Hungary—which has been a target of vitriolic criticism among progressives in the West because of Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s conservative social policy—ranks eight points higher than Ukraine, which is the recipient of uncritical praise from the same Western ideological factions."


Russia uses these churches as a sort of base of operations for intelligence, etc. Zelensky raided well known russian church and is closing others out of caution, but by far, not all. This is not corruption. This is not about abolishing "russian" religion, yada, yada, yada. This is about being practical when your entire country is at war. You know what the irony is, if Isis was destroying the US like Ukraine is being destroyed by Russia, and there was evidence linking extremists and mosques the right wing in the this country would be calling for them to be all burned down, not just have a few of them closed. Heck, they'd probably go do it themselves. Why pretend otherwise?

Read what Russia and it's churches in other countries are up to. The ones in Ukraine are no different.

 

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