What made United States great ?

[beagle9]

The authors of the Constitution were brilliant.
It has prevented America from becoming a dictatorship.
It's why the dumb Left Wingers hate it so much.
Obama's abuse of power was a huge blow against our democracy.
Trump is trying to drain the swamp and the dirty swamp critters are apoplectic.

Are you a russian troll?

Trump has put more swamp critters in government than anybody else. From lobbyists, to those in league with lobbyists.

. Were there many choices in that world in which they all live within their bubbles ? They undoubtedly don't think so, and to put an outsider in there is unexceptable for these people, because the enlightment of the truth would endanger the establishment there.

 

[beagle9]

Let me make some people piss their pants with some bold truth.
“What made America great?”
No presence of “Brown” people

Actually the presence of brown people is what made america great. Without slavery, the south wouldn't have become a world agricultural market leader, making America an exporter to the world, which propelled america into economic greatness.

Negative
Smart people make shit happen using whatever resources they have access to....had they not had access to black slaves they still would have built the AG industry the same.
Bill Gates would have built Microsoft with the people he used or with other people he would have used. TA-DA!

. A fair statement, and also true, but with the AG industry back in those days it would have taken so much longer to happen. American, Immigrant, and slave labor provided very significant contributions to this nations strength, wealth and success to this very day. It's undeniable.

Let me make some people piss their pants with some bold truth.
“What made America great?”
No presence of “Brown” people

Actually the presence of brown people is what made america great. Without slavery, the south wouldn't have become a world agricultural market leader, making America an exporter to the world, which propelled america into economic greatness.

Negative
Smart people make shit happen using whatever resources they have access to....had they not had access to black slaves they still would have built the AG industry the same.
Bill Gates would have built Microsoft with the people he used or with other people he would have used. TA-DA!

. A fair statement, and also true, but with the AG industry back in those days it would have taken so much longer to happen. American, Immigrant, and slave labor provided very significant contributions to this nations strength, wealth and success to this very day. It's undeniable.

I don’t deny that.
I’ll debate the timeline and the growth trajectory though.
The leaders knew what they wanted to accomplish with America...they appointed slaves to assist in the development...it would have been others if it wasn’t slaves.
Again, Bill Gates appointed “Bob” to sweep the floors...if it wasn’t “Bob” it would have been “Larry” and Microsoft would have developed on the same timeline.
Leaders dictate the pace of development and execution.

And the point to your assessment is what ??

 

[Kosh]

It’s nice to hear you taking such great pride in slavery and what slavery accomplished.

I take no pride in it. Just like we were made great by taking the country away from the rightful owners, and used it for our own gain.

The Kennedys became great by bootlegging. So im' proud of America being great, but not of how it got there.

Nobody “owned” land. There were no deeds issued. Being born on X piece of soil never granted one ownership of said soil. Bigger stronger Armies “owned” whatever they wanted...that’s how it worked back then. You know this.

In the old west days, insurance companies where the owner of such lands, yes you went to insurance companies to "mortgage" your land. They owned your land until you paid it off.

True...but I think we were referencing an era two centuries prior to the “Wild West”.

The idea of the US has not changed, just that no one wants to follow those ideals.

 

[beagle9]

It’s nice to hear you taking such great pride in slavery and what slavery accomplished.

I take no pride in it. Just like we were made great by taking the country away from the rightful owners, and used it for our own gain.

The Kennedys became great by bootlegging. So im' proud of America being great, but not of how it got there.

Nobody “owned” land. There were no deeds issued. Being born on X piece of soil never granted one ownership of said soil. Bigger stronger Armies “owned” whatever they wanted...that’s how it worked back then. You know this.

In the old west days, insurance companies where the owner of such lands, yes you went to insurance companies to "mortgage" your land. They owned your land until you paid it off.

True...but I think we were referencing an era two centuries prior to the “Wild West”.

The idea of the US has not changed, just that no one wants to follow those ideals.

Which is weird to most if the ideals are still good, so something else more sinister is at play here.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Many people (including me) will think entrepreneurs made the U.S a developed country and that was caused by capitalism. Also systems such as: free market, freedom of opinion, competition.. etc. provided us those technologies and science. In the history, those people from aristocratic background have been always made the useful things for the humanity.

I don't know am I right ? What do you think ?

We also have an article about that topic, you can read it here:
What made America great? – Think and Say

Immigration and immigrants.

That’s weird...a barely legal says “immigrants” made America great.

Its Constitution.

Putting God first, and including him in spirit into the Constitution. We couldn't have written a Constitution such as we have without him being added into the mix.

The reason we are claiming that we need to MAGA now, is because over the years there has been a negative force that has been attempting to remove God from everywhere in this nation.

It has been a relentless game of attrition that has been conducted by this negative force against us, yet it has been pushed back, and it is losing ground lately.

Hopefully the trend continues in the right direction which is to keep God in our midst always, and to continue to pray that he accepts our invitation to dwell amongst us always.

God my ass...if you follow God you'll be more compassionate towards the poor, the immigrants and the refugees and less racist and more accepting. The so called liberals who don't use God to get to their goals have all of that...and I say this and I believe in God words and message. You guys so called conservatives in the US are the biggest hypocrites on the face of earth.

Even Christians are done being taken advantage of.
Sucks for you that you can’t prey on their compassion and willingness to give doesn’t it?
Remember, most of this is stuff for REAL Americans...you’re not going to understand it.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Let me make some people piss their pants with some bold truth.
“What made America great?”
No presence of “Brown” people

Actually the presence of brown people is what made america great. Without slavery, the south wouldn't have become a world agricultural market leader, making America an exporter to the world, which propelled america into economic greatness.

Negative
Smart people make shit happen using whatever resources they have access to....had they not had access to black slaves they still would have built the AG industry the same.
Bill Gates would have built Microsoft with the people he used or with other people he would have used. TA-DA!

. A fair statement, and also true, but with the AG industry back in those days it would have taken so much longer to happen. American, Immigrant, and slave labor provided very significant contributions to this nations strength, wealth and success to this very day. It's undeniable.

Let me make some people piss their pants with some bold truth.
“What made America great?”
No presence of “Brown” people

Actually the presence of brown people is what made america great. Without slavery, the south wouldn't have become a world agricultural market leader, making America an exporter to the world, which propelled america into economic greatness.

Negative
Smart people make shit happen using whatever resources they have access to....had they not had access to black slaves they still would have built the AG industry the same.
Bill Gates would have built Microsoft with the people he used or with other people he would have used. TA-DA!

. A fair statement, and also true, but with the AG industry back in those days it would have taken so much longer to happen. American, Immigrant, and slave labor provided very significant contributions to this nations strength, wealth and success to this very day. It's undeniable.

I don’t deny that.
I’ll debate the timeline and the growth trajectory though.
The leaders knew what they wanted to accomplish with America...they appointed slaves to assist in the development...it would have been others if it wasn’t slaves.
Again, Bill Gates appointed “Bob” to sweep the floors...if it wasn’t “Bob” it would have been “Larry” and Microsoft would have developed on the same timeline.
Leaders dictate the pace of development and execution.

And the point to your assessment is what ??

The same as it was the three times before when I said it.
Black slaves were chosen by LEADERS with a vision to help build segments of America...if it wasn’t black slaves it would have been others. The development timeline doesn’t change. Simple logic.

 

[Redfish]

..I have to disagree somewhat --Britain did not have much resources and definitely not much room--but they were a superpower/powerhouse that ruled ''the world''....they went out and took/produced/wanted resources
..Japan also

I never said exclusively...I was talking about us

Our access to fuel, minerals, energy, food, pelts, agriculture drove our economy
Immigration provided a steady stream of cheap labor

your implication is that the "cheap labor" was exploited by those who ran the industries. That is simply wrong, many immigrants (legal) started as cheap labor and rose to be owners and entrepreneurs on their own. That could only occur in this country, and it still can although it is harder now than then due to an oppressive federal government.

I didn’t get into whether they were exploited or not. The US provided better working conditions and opportunities than their home countries

But they did provide a cheap source of labor for our emerging industries. They built our railroads

In that time.........yes.........

But in these times NO................

We have many Americans who need jobs and they should take priority over immigrant labor forces...........

If we were BOOMING like China is..........then there wouldn't be such a fuss.............but that is simply not the case.

Conservatives made the same lame argument 100 years ago

actually that was the democrat argument 100 years ago. when democrats were still sane.

 

[bripat9643]

Early American settlers had a vision, they would have executed their vision with or without blacks and slavery. .

Early settlers failed miserably. They didn't have the ability to survive without the help of the native americans they would later steal the land of. They were religious idealists who thought GOD would help them survive, only to find it took more than faith to put food on the table.

They later learned the easiest way to economic prosperity was with free slave labor, and taking land from it's rightful owners.

Thanks for posting the communist view of American history.

 

[bripat9643]

I disagree. FDR and WW II didn't not make America great.

Under Hoover we went into the great depression.

After FDR we were the source of the greatest generation.

Hoover didn't cause the depression, numskull, and FDR implemented the same policies as Hoover. That's why the depression lasted 12 year. FDR destroyed this country.

 

[bripat9643]

Farmers and other workers made America great out of what they found in nature. Capitalism was used to accumulate money in the hands of a few.

Spoken like a true blue Marxist.

 

[bripat9643]

Many people (including me) will think entrepreneurs made the U.S a developed country and that was caused by capitalism. Also systems such as: free market, freedom of opinion, competition.. etc. provided us those technologies and science. In the history, those people from aristocratic background have been always made the useful things for the humanity.

I don't know am I right ? What do you think ?

We also have an article about that topic, you can read it here:
What made America great? – Think and Say

What made it great was WWII and how the US bound together to build this nation.

Now the far left is doing all they can to dismantle everything that help build this country, even though it was the god FDR that helped build it.

I disagree. FDR and WW II didn't not make America great.

Of course it did. It created term limits for Presidents.

The country was united in WWII, everything was dedicated for the war effort. The country prospered, especially after the war.

The nation was prosperous and before the war (after WWI) we were self sufficient.

The Constitution still has not protected the US from the political class vs the working class. As most do not understand the spirit of what it is.

The prosperity was phony. All the unemployed were drafted into the army. You just admitted that the country was "self sufficient BEFORE THE WAR." We were "united" only because of war time censorship and propaganda.

 

[bripat9643]

Its Constitution.

Putting God first, and including him in spirit into the Constitution. We couldn't have written a Constitution such as we have without him being added into the mix.

The reason we are claiming that we need to MAGA now, is because over the years there has been a negative force that has been attempting to remove God from everywhere in this nation.

It has been a relentless game of attrition that has been conducted by this negative force against us, yet it has been pushed back, and it is losing ground lately.

Hopefully the trend continues in the right direction which is to keep God in our midst always, and to continue to pray that he accepts our invitation to dwell amongst us always.

And for those of us who don't believe in fairy tales?

Socialism is a fairy tale, dumbass, and you believe in that.

Actually, socialism is a reality. Believing in things that don't exist are fairy tales, DOUCHEBAG.

The reality of socialism is that it's the road to poverty, starvation and slavery.

 

[bripat9643]

Smart people make shit happen using whatever resources they have access to....had they not had access to black slaves they still would have built the AG industry the same.

The problem is that America wasn't built on smart people, most early communities failed, and if not for the indians the pilgrims would have starved. Those intellectuals were imported as the country encouraged the best and brightest to come to america.

I see what you’re wanting to do here...I’ll play along.
So by your account, the south wouldn’t have been built without slavery...is that your assertion?

.Would have been built without slavery, but it would be that it wouldn't have been built as quickly or produced the amount of wealth that it did because of slavery.

Slavery was a drag on the American economy, not a benefit. Just compare how fast the North, without slavery, developed in comparison to how fast the South developed.

 

[Redfish]

Its Constitution.

Putting God first, and including him in spirit into the Constitution. We couldn't have written a Constitution such as we have without him being added into the mix.

The reason we are claiming that we need to MAGA now, is because over the years there has been a negative force that has been attempting to remove God from everywhere in this nation.

It has been a relentless game of attrition that has been conducted by this negative force against us, yet it has been pushed back, and it is losing ground lately.

Hopefully the trend continues in the right direction which is to keep God in our midst always, and to continue to pray that he accepts our invitation to dwell amongst us always.

And for those of us who don't believe in fairy tales?

Socialism is a fairy tale, dumbass, and you believe in that.

Actually, socialism is a reality. Believing in things that don't exist are fairy tales, DOUCHEBAG.

The reality of socialism is that it's the road to poverty, starvation and slavery.

yep, but the dem/libs refuse to see that reality and historical fact. They are indoctrinated in the ideology of everyone being EQUALLY miserable and EQUALLY controlled by a tiny group of super elites who have all the power and all the money.

it is amazing how ignorant liberals really are.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Many people (including me) will think entrepreneurs made the U.S a developed country and that was caused by capitalism. Also systems such as: free market, freedom of opinion, competition.. etc. provided us those technologies and science. In the history, those people from aristocratic background have been always made the useful things for the humanity.

I don't know am I right ? What do you think ?

We also have an article about that topic, you can read it here:
What made America great? – Think and Say

The Fatherest Cripple the Fittest

The American experience proved that Birth-Class Supremacy was wrong and White Supremacy was right. But in this age, we are in danger of being taking over by what our forefathers emigrated from. That shameful betrayal comes after their descendants proved that every single birth privilege must be abolished root and branch. By "branch," I mean class-climbing according to the rules imposed for their own advantage by those who were born on top and need to do very little to stay there.

A typical example of American superiority that you will never be told in heiristocratic education is that Andrew Jackson, one of the world's greatest generals, would have never even made lieutenant in Europe's class-biased military. Class-mobility promotion was the only reason we won those two wars against the Redcoats.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Smart people make shit happen using whatever resources they have access to....had they not had access to black slaves they still would have built the AG industry the same.

The problem is that America wasn't built on smart people, most early communities failed, and if not for the indians the pilgrims would have starved. Those intellectuals were imported as the country encouraged the best and brightest to come to america.

I see what you’re wanting to do here...I’ll play along.
So by your account, the south wouldn’t have been built without slavery...is that your assertion?

.Would have been built without slavery, but it would be that it wouldn't have been built as quickly or produced the amount of wealth that it did because of slavery.

Slavery was a drag on the American economy, not a benefit. Just compare how fast the North, without slavery, developed in comparison to how fast the South developed.

Not to mention; whatever wealth was created during the slave era as a result of slave labor has been paid back many times over in the form of various welfare and other taxpayer expenses. We have definitely paid the price for greed in those times.

 

[bripat9643]

Smart people make shit happen using whatever resources they have access to....had they not had access to black slaves they still would have built the AG industry the same.

The problem is that America wasn't built on smart people, most early communities failed, and if not for the indians the pilgrims would have starved. Those intellectuals were imported as the country encouraged the best and brightest to come to america.

I see what you’re wanting to do here...I’ll play along.
So by your account, the south wouldn’t have been built without slavery...is that your assertion?

.Would have been built without slavery, but it would be that it wouldn't have been built as quickly or produced the amount of wealth that it did because of slavery.

Slavery was a drag on the American economy, not a benefit. Just compare how fast the North, without slavery, developed in comparison to how fast the South developed.

Not to mention; whatever wealth was created during the slave era as a result of slave labor has been paid back many times over in the form of various welfare and other taxpayer expenses. We have definitely paid the price for greed in those times.

That doesn't even include the 850,000 lives that were sacrificed during the Civil War.

 

[Redfish]

Smart people make shit happen using whatever resources they have access to....had they not had access to black slaves they still would have built the AG industry the same.

The problem is that America wasn't built on smart people, most early communities failed, and if not for the indians the pilgrims would have starved. Those intellectuals were imported as the country encouraged the best and brightest to come to america.

I see what you’re wanting to do here...I’ll play along.
So by your account, the south wouldn’t have been built without slavery...is that your assertion?

.Would have been built without slavery, but it would be that it wouldn't have been built as quickly or produced the amount of wealth that it did because of slavery.

Slavery was a drag on the American economy, not a benefit. Just compare how fast the North, without slavery, developed in comparison to how fast the South developed.

Not to mention; whatever wealth was created during the slave era as a result of slave labor has been paid back many times over in the form of various welfare and other taxpayer expenses. We have definitely paid the price for greed in those times.

yes, and in the process destroyed the black family unit and created a dependency class of all races.

 

[BrokeLoser]

The problem is that America wasn't built on smart people, most early communities failed, and if not for the indians the pilgrims would have starved. Those intellectuals were imported as the country encouraged the best and brightest to come to america.

I see what you’re wanting to do here...I’ll play along.
So by your account, the south wouldn’t have been built without slavery...is that your assertion?

.Would have been built without slavery, but it would be that it wouldn't have been built as quickly or produced the amount of wealth that it did because of slavery.

Slavery was a drag on the American economy, not a benefit. Just compare how fast the North, without slavery, developed in comparison to how fast the South developed.

Not to mention; whatever wealth was created during the slave era as a result of slave labor has been paid back many times over in the form of various welfare and other taxpayer expenses. We have definitely paid the price for greed in those times.

That doesn't even include the 850,000 lives that were sacrificed during the Civil War.

EXACTLY!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Ironic that the same elements that made us great could well be our demise.....~S~

We May Live for a Long Time Not Feeling the Tumor That Eventually Kills Us

That is a contradiction, not irony. Therefore, it proves that you do not understand which elements made us great and which elements we succeeded in spite of.