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I see this over and over. Conservatives are for limited government. Just because we say we don't want government doing things where government is inept, counterproductive, wasteful or whatever, does not mean that we should shut it down totally.
Yes, we do need roads, bridges, highways, jails, schools, aircraft carriers, GPS satellites, standard weights and measures, courts, etc etc. Saying we don't need subsidies for crummy cars badly built and still with astronomical prices does not mean we don't need highways.
The conservative view is that the government should be a useful servant of the people's needs. However, you give it too much money, power, authority it becomes the worst sort of master.
I see this over and over. Conservatives are for limited government. Just because we say we don't want government doing things where government is inept, counterproductive, wasteful or whatever, does not mean that we should shut it down totally.
Yes, we do need roads, bridges, highways, jails, schools, aircraft carriers, GPS satellites, standard weights and measures, courts, etc etc. Saying we don't need subsidies for crummy cars badly built and still with astronomical prices does not mean we don't need highways.
The conservative view is that the government should be a useful servant of the people's needs. However, you give it too much money, power, authority it becomes the worst sort of master.
Amen. While there absolutely are trolls, idiots, and numbnuts among conservatives, when you find a conservative that doesnt fit in any of those designations, we may strongly disagree with that conservative's perspectives, but both sides will be able to focus on the specific issue and will be able to articulate a rationale for their point of view without going ad hominem or getting insulting about it. A conservative knows why he or she believes what he or she believes and can articulate it and is rarely in denial on the realities of socioeconomic and sociopolitical issues,.
The liberals who will do that are very, very rare and I really appreciate those when I do find them. I suspect the vast majority are so fuzzy on why they believe what they believe, they are honestly incapable of articulating a rationale for it and are not only in denial, but won't even discuss the realities of most issues. So all they have left are non sequitur, straw men, ad hominem, and personal insults.
Example.
Conservative: Many government programs are not helping the poor but are encouraging poverty.
Liberal: You are selfish, greedy, hate the poor and love only the 1%.
Again, much of what you say is a matter pf perspective.
And there are certainly many, many conservatives I can point to readily, on this very board, who will do exactly what you are referring to.
Example:
Liberal: "There is no scientific proof that life begins at conception, can you provide us with proof of some sort of awareness that may exist by that point?"
Conservative: "Why are you part of the vast liberal baby-murdering conspiracy? All liberals will stop at nothing in their endless quest to kill children."
And I think we all know who specifically on this very thread I am referring to.
I'll still be able to neg you, and I will still continue to comment on your lying brand of fascism.
Any conservative who would respond that way, other than tongue-in-cheek, would be among the trolls, idiots, and numbnuts to which I referred.
The difference is that the vast majority of conservatives would show that scientifically, life absolutely does begin at conception or is contained within the DNA of the sperm and egg because there is no other place in which it can begin. The issue of when awareness begins is a totally different subject than when life begins. Then they might ask the liberal to refute that if he can.
A thoughtful, educated, rational liberal would have to agree, and move the dfebate into an area of there being no scientific basis for when awareness begins, and whether awareness should make a difference in a decision to terminate a pregnancy.
But most don't do that. They instead attack the conservative or accuse the cosnervative of thinking or believing all manner of things or being duplitious or disingenuous or totally change the subject to Christians who won't allow abortion for any reason or some such.
And P.S. You are actually discussing the subject here and I appreciate that.
You don't embarass me at all. And I don't care if you report me, I haven't done anything wrong. I consistently neg rep fascist pigs for being fascist pigs. There's always a good reason to neg them.
Why don't you start a thread about being neg repped?
I'm sorry, you lost all credibility already. Are you going to start a neg rep whine thread or what?
Any conservative who would respond that way, other than tongue-in-cheek, would be among the trolls, idiots, and numbnuts to which I referred.
The difference is that the vast majority of conservatives would show that scientifically, life absolutely does begin at conception or is contained within the DNA of the sperm and egg because there is no other place in which it can begin. The issue of when awareness begins is a totally different subject than when life begins. Then they might ask the liberal to refute that if he can.
A thoughtful, educated, rational liberal would have to agree, and move the dfebate into an area of there being no scientific basis for when awareness begins, and whether awareness should make a difference in a decision to terminate a pregnancy.
But most don't do that. They instead attack the conservative or accuse the cosnervative of thinking or believing all manner of things or being duplitious or disingenuous or totally change the subject to Christians who won't allow abortion for any reason or some such.
And P.S. You are actually discussing the subject here and I appreciate that.
Good points, and I will admit that there are many on the left who do in fact act in that manner.
I'm just saying, from the perspective of someone on the left, that it would seem a like number on the right behave in the same manner.
As we can see a perfect example of here on this very thread.
Well you're a lot more civilized than most, fox.
Myself, I use the rep system to show that certain behaviors (lying, promotion of a culture of death) are not acceptable. I use it a LOT on people who are simply fascists.
And I will neg you again as soon as I possibly can.
